Afrikaskyes From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6006 times:
How will the newly implemented boycott against Aruba affect US Carriers flying into Aruba? I kinda feel bad for the Aruban folks. My understanding is that this boycott will be brutal for their tourism and economy.
Maybe the loads will be down enough for some great nonrev opportunities! I'm not going to let a senseless boycott organized by a bunch of uncultured soccer moms ruin my day at the beach!
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21313 posts, RR: 60 Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5995 times:
Implemented by who? A congressman?
Congressmen say lots of things for publicity.
That said, I think the handling of this whole thing in Aruba has turned off some potential tourists to the island. Not due to a boycott, just because they feel less safe, because though crime is supposed to be low there, the way their justice system works and the way they bury things to help tourism, some here start to wonder if crime really is that low. Other caribbean nations have some major crime problems as well, so it's not just an Aruba thing.
It'll all blow over relatively quickly, and if Aruban hotels cut prices by 10-20% to stave off any decrease in tourism (should they see it), you'll see people flock back. Saving money makes people do stranger things, like fly RyanAir...
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5851 times:
I saw somebody mention that one reason that "crime" is so low in Aruba is that "nothing is illegal there"... They mean, of course, drinking, drugs, prostitution, etc.
Sadly, despite their completely incompetent, citizen-protecting judicial system, the Arubans have actually benefitted from the Natalie publicity. Consistent with the "any publicity is good publicity" moniker, more and more students now know that they can drink in Aruba, and more non-students know that they can meet drunk college-age girls there. Great.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12679 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5807 times:
I would suspect there will be minimal problems from the 'boycott'. The only possible affect is to keep out the USA under 21's from there, which I would say is a good thing. The politicans who promote the idea of a boycott are trying to make political points just before an election (in the USA, a number of states had general elections last Tuesday). Aruba has the same rule of law of the Netherlands so that really isn't the problem.
Aruba has maybe 1-2 murders a year for a resident population of maybe 75,000. It will still be a safe place to go but as with any other place, one where a young woman will be at risk. I wish they would go after the bar in question here, just to foster some responsibilty in them.
Jsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1944 posts, RR: 16 Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5803 times:
The boycott is ridiculous. There are elements of the investigation that were handled poorly, but honestly the Aruban government have probably put 300 percent more energy into looking for Natalee Holloway than any of us would have gotten. At one point there were fighter jets looking for this girl. How many other missing persons cases can say that?
It makes me furious to see the mother and Alabama's dimwit governor on television calling for a boycott of an island that's bent over backward to accommodate them. Nobody on Aruba forced Natalee to get drunk at Senor Frog's, and the decision to leave the club with whomever she left with was hers and hers alone. I don't want to "blame the victim," but it's naive to visit a foreign country and think you have carte blanche to do as you please.
I empathize with her mother - it must be heartbreaking not to know your child's whereabouts. But going on television and calling for a boycott of the island is not helpful or germane to her cause.
Back on topic .... no, in the long run this will do nothing to harm Aruba's reputation as a tourist destination. A few small-minded Alabamans might cancel their vacation, but I'm willing all those 757s and 767s are still coming into Reina Beatrix Airport chock-full of passengers.
737-990 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 364 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5792 times:
I've never been to Aruba but I'm thinking of non-reving there just to spite those asking for a boycott. I'm sick and tired of turning on the news in the evening and it's wall to wall coverage on the cable news channels.
I wish it would just blow over but the cable news channels have become to invested in this story to just let it die. Even Katrina/Rita/Wilma/Irag/CIA leak/Supreme Court nominees couldn't kill this story. It was like 20 dead due to a car bombing in Iraq today, let's see what Natalie's mom has to say about it. I mean no disrespect to the family but this media circus has to end. The boycott should be of CNN, FOX News and MSNBC for passing this as news.
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5673 times:
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Quoting 737-990 (Reply 11): I've never been to Aruba but I'm thinking of non-reving there just to spite those asking for a boycott. I'm sick and tired of turning on the news in the evening and it's wall to wall coverage on the cable news channels.
You know, I second that. I would like to non-rev to Aruba as well. Now I need to see it's spendor, and meet some drunk college girls When are we going?
Alabama has made large strides in recent years to attract foreign development (ie. Mercedes-Benz, Hyundai, Honda factories, Airbus assembly in Mobile, etc.), but I think this could negate that if left unaddressed. It could potentially make foreign investors think twice about developing in Alabama. Alabama is not the most worldly place on earth but for what it is has they done an amazing job in attracting foreign development. They can't ruin it now, too much work has been done to make foreign development happen there! (These words spoken by a former, very short-term Alabamian [went to Auburn])
Letsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5615 times:
I don't understand what they're boycotting. If they boycotted every city in the US that had an unsolved crime, all travel would come to a halt. I thought the Aruban authorities did a very thorough job with this investigation. They even had the US FBI involved. What more does this lady want? She has been living there for free for how long now?
In what ways incompetent? There was no body, no evidence, no admission of guilt.
Under the Dutch legal system you can't torture a confession out of people so they couldn't do that either (I don't think you can in the US?).
I've said all along that the kid is likely not on the island and left the island alive.
She's either fishfood somewhere on the bottom of the Caribbean or a slave in some druglord's household which is how a lot of runaway kids end up.
There's no evidence she was murdered or left the island involuntarilly, only hearsay from people who said she MUST have been murdered because she didn't appear at breakfast and wasn't in her room one day.
The people she was last seen with were automatically arrested as the most likely suspects in a crime that was probably never comitted.
Of course a judge could have made up some bogus murder charges and convicted them to make the police and himself look good under foreign pressure, but THAT would have made the entire legal system a sham, not releasing them for lack of evidence against them!
Venezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1413 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5335 times:
They boycott was proposed by our dumb governor here at Alabama to get some votes in his re-election next year.......here is a link to the discussion in Non-av Alabama Gov: Boycot Aruba (by Airlinelover Nov 8 2005 in Non Aviation)a
Aruba is a great place, here is a tip for some great spottin. If you go to that huge shopping center just past the airport as you enter the city, there is a hotel on the southwest side of it, just across the street from that movie theatre. Since that hotel does not have a beach on site, they have an island where there guest can go, I think it is $30 for non-guest or so. Well the island is located just southwest of the docks, which turns out to be parallel to the airports runway. All you gotta do is find your way to the back of the island (the beach/bars are on the east side of the small island) and you'll get the best spotting view ever in aua
If you took a poll in Birmingham and the surrounding areas, I would bet that 90% or better would say that Ms. Twitty's 15 minutes of fame are over, and are sick of seeing this woman in the local headlines.
Now with that being said I can't even begin to imagine the loss of a child, so I will not try to examine her emotions since this all took place. However I believe her anger and frustration should be placed at the feet of the chaperones of this trip, not the Aruban authorities. I do believe they screwed up the investigation at the start, but later put their best foot forward and did an admirable job. They realized they were in over their heads and asked for outside help from the FBI, among others.
If this story had come from anywhere else except from affluent Mountain Brook (where Natalee was from) it would have not made it past the first week. But since the girl came from a privileged background, the political wheels have been churning in Montgomery, and "by god, this is one of our own here, we must do something. Let's boycott 'em, that will teach 'em they can't do this to us"...
I have lived in Alabama for 11 years, and while I feel they have made great strides in overcoming the 60's Southern stereotype it is incidents like this and the Roy Moore fiasco that make me embarrassed to say I live here.
Boycott Aruba?? Don't worry Alabama, they probably won't even notice you're not there....
Kahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5294 times:
The boycott of Aruba is the most insane thing that I hae seen yet this year. It was initiated by a digruntled American mosther that was pissed to know her mother was sleeping with half the island of Aruba. Somehow along the way, the daughter went missing. Get over it. It is not a reason to block an entire nation and its financial gain.
Why dont people from Holland and Aruba, boycott the United States?
25 Cadet57: Aruba is a wonderful place, i just went in july, and if airfares wernt so expensive in feb i would go again.. thou with this bs "boycott" i might just
26 MauriceB: 1- aruba's legal age of drinking is 21 2-The Arubian, American and Dutch navy/air force are all based on aruba , with planes (F-60 based on curacao, R
27 474218: While I agree with you that a boycott of Aruba is insane, a boycott of the United States by Holland and Aruba would never work. There are 290 million
28 Commavia: Back to the topic at hand -- I suspect the "boycott" will have little-to-no impact whatsoever. AA, the largest U.S. carrier to Aruba, doesn't seem to
29 RedAirForce: I love the nitwits here who say she left the island alive (you must know what no one else does, or you are just plain dumb) or that she was sleeping w
30 MauriceB: atleast our government isn't corrupt (the dutch and the arubian) there are 2 more suspected ,wich aren't dutch this happens more in whole europe than
31 StevenG: This whole story made headlines in The Netherlands this summer but, fortunately, it's almost out of the picture now. I wonder if this topic should bel
32 KL911: Pffff, is there anyone out there that still thinks she's been killed? There should have been evidence by now, don't you think? I think she just 'disap
33 UN_B732: I think if we don't teach the Arubans how to help, this stuff will continue. I wholeheartedly support the Boycott of Aruba, and sincerely hope they le
34 Swisswings: This whole thread is getting out of hand. There is no body, thus there is no murder (yet). So, let's stop assuming things, stop blaming people without
35 MauriceB: I think if we don't teach the Arubans how to help, this stuff will continue. I wholeheartedly support the Boycott of Aruba, and sincerely hope they le
36 B777-700: There's 3 reasons why this is still in the news: 1 - She's rich 2 - She's attractive 3 - She's white Go to Aruba and enjoy yourselves.[Edited 2005-11
37 Tornado82: I'd feel ALOT safer down there than I would on the streets of New York City, Chicago, LA, Philly, or even downtown inner-city Allentown. Will they? L
38 Magyar: I would just hand a bunch of "Have you seen me?" fliers to this governor. People receive them in US cities on a daily basis so there is no problem to
39 COEWR2587: The drinking age in Aruba isn't 21, it's 18.
40 Cadet57: Or 17 at the at the Paradise Beach Villas pool bar....
41 CO787: This is my first post, and first off I go to Aruba 6-10 weeks a year and have to say that it has to be one of the safest places I have ever been. Alth
42 Chris133: I do feel bad for the family of the girl, but to boycott an entire country for something that happens everyday here in just about every city is just p
43 Letsgetwet: What kind of parents would let a 17 year old girl fly to a foreign island without proper adult supervision.? This trip was not sanctioned by her schoo
44 VHXLR8: Ok, so now you're going to start dictating to other countries what their laws should or shouldn't be??