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The Aruba Boycott And US Carriers  
User currently offlineAfrikaskyes From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6340 times:

How will the newly implemented boycott against Aruba affect US Carriers flying into Aruba? I kinda feel bad for the Aruban folks. My understanding is that this boycott will be brutal for their tourism and economy.

Maybe the loads will be down enough for some great nonrev opportunities! I'm not going to let a senseless boycott organized by a bunch of uncultured soccer moms ruin my day at the beach!

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6329 times:

Implemented by who? A congressman?

Congressmen say lots of things for publicity.

That said, I think the handling of this whole thing in Aruba has turned off some potential tourists to the island. Not due to a boycott, just because they feel less safe, because though crime is supposed to be low there, the way their justice system works and the way they bury things to help tourism, some here start to wonder if crime really is that low. Other caribbean nations have some major crime problems as well, so it's not just an Aruba thing.

It'll all blow over relatively quickly, and if Aruban hotels cut prices by 10-20% to stave off any decrease in tourism (should they see it), you'll see people flock back. Saving money makes people do stranger things, like fly RyanAir...  Wink



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User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6323 times:

not unless of course, it was someone you knew who was killed there

[Edited 2005-11-13 05:31:35]

User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1519 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6231 times:

Hey 149 out of 150 high school students agree that it's a great place to go for Spring Break...

Couldn't resist.



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User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

This whole Aruba boycott thing is dumb. For anyone whoes been to Aruba would probably agree it's safer than any city in our own country and most towns.


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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6213 times:
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Let's see them try to boycott France :P


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User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6206 times:

And I'm one of the 149! VIVA ARUBA!!!!!!!!!  Smile

Seriously this will all blow over soon. sry, but they are their own country and they can do whatever the hell they want, even if it's horribly horribly wrong.



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5267 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

I saw somebody mention that one reason that "crime" is so low in Aruba is that "nothing is illegal there"... They mean, of course, drinking, drugs, prostitution, etc.

Sadly, despite their completely incompetent, citizen-protecting judicial system, the Arubans have actually benefitted from the Natalie publicity. Consistent with the "any publicity is good publicity" moniker, more and more students now know that they can drink in Aruba, and more non-students know that they can meet drunk college-age girls there. Great.


User currently offlineKaniksu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6167 times:

I seriously doubt this boycott is going to effect their tourism industry. If anything has or will it's when the girl went missing and if and when they find her body.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13148 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6141 times:

I would suspect there will be minimal problems from the 'boycott'. The only possible affect is to keep out the USA under 21's from there, which I would say is a good thing. The politicans who promote the idea of a boycott are trying to make political points just before an election (in the USA, a number of states had general elections last Tuesday). Aruba has the same rule of law of the Netherlands so that really isn't the problem.
Aruba has maybe 1-2 murders a year for a resident population of maybe 75,000. It will still be a safe place to go but as with any other place, one where a young woman will be at risk. I wish they would go after the bar in question here, just to foster some responsibilty in them.


User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2041 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6137 times:

The boycott is ridiculous. There are elements of the investigation that were handled poorly, but honestly the Aruban government have probably put 300 percent more energy into looking for Natalee Holloway than any of us would have gotten. At one point there were fighter jets looking for this girl. How many other missing persons cases can say that?

It makes me furious to see the mother and Alabama's dimwit governor on television calling for a boycott of an island that's bent over backward to accommodate them. Nobody on Aruba forced Natalee to get drunk at Senor Frog's, and the decision to leave the club with whomever she left with was hers and hers alone. I don't want to "blame the victim," but it's naive to visit a foreign country and think you have carte blanche to do as you please.

I empathize with her mother - it must be heartbreaking not to know your child's whereabouts. But going on television and calling for a boycott of the island is not helpful or germane to her cause.

Back on topic  Smile .... no, in the long run this will do nothing to harm Aruba's reputation as a tourist destination. A few small-minded Alabamans might cancel their vacation, but I'm willing all those 757s and 767s are still coming into Reina Beatrix Airport chock-full of passengers.


User currently online737-990 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6126 times:

I've never been to Aruba but I'm thinking of non-reving there just to spite those asking for a boycott. I'm sick and tired of turning on the news in the evening and it's wall to wall coverage on the cable news channels.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
It'll all blow over relatively quickly

I wish it would just blow over but the cable news channels have become to invested in this story to just let it die. Even Katrina/Rita/Wilma/Irag/CIA leak/Supreme Court nominees couldn't kill this story. It was like 20 dead due to a car bombing in Iraq today, let's see what Natalie's mom has to say about it. I mean no disrespect to the family but this media circus has to end. The boycott should be of CNN, FOX News and MSNBC for passing this as news.



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User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6007 times:
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Quoting 737-990 (Reply 11):
I've never been to Aruba but I'm thinking of non-reving there just to spite those asking for a boycott. I'm sick and tired of turning on the news in the evening and it's wall to wall coverage on the cable news channels.

You know, I second that. I would like to non-rev to Aruba as well. Now I need to see it's spendor, and meet some drunk college girls  Wink When are we going?

Alabama has made large strides in recent years to attract foreign development (ie. Mercedes-Benz, Hyundai, Honda factories, Airbus assembly in Mobile, etc.), but I think this could negate that if left unaddressed. It could potentially make foreign investors think twice about developing in Alabama. Alabama is not the most worldly place on earth but for what it is has they done an amazing job in attracting foreign development. They can't ruin it now, too much work has been done to make foreign development happen there! (These words spoken by a former, very short-term Alabamian [went to Auburn])



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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5993 times:

Not good for CO's LGA-AUA starting 19Dec (SGA)

Under 21's should be banned from drinking overseas..


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8584 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5987 times:
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Could someone please post a link to whatever facts are known about this story - I haven't heard about it and am curious exactly what happened . Who is boycotting and why ?


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5979 times:

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 11):
The boycott should be of CNN, FOX News and MSNBC for passing this as news.

Amen!



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User currently offlineHS748 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 7):
Sadly, despite their completely incompetent, citizen-protecting judicial system

Aruba's or America's? Hard to tell the difference.


User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5949 times:

I don't understand what they're boycotting. If they boycotted every city in the US that had an unsolved crime, all travel would come to a halt. I thought the Aruban authorities did a very thorough job with this investigation. They even had the US FBI involved. What more does this lady want? She has been living there for free for how long now?

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 7):
despite their completely incompetent, citizen-protecting judicial system,

In what ways incompetent? There was no body, no evidence, no admission of guilt.
Under the Dutch legal system you can't torture a confession out of people so they couldn't do that either (I don't think you can in the US?).

I've said all along that the kid is likely not on the island and left the island alive.
She's either fishfood somewhere on the bottom of the Caribbean or a slave in some druglord's household which is how a lot of runaway kids end up.

There's no evidence she was murdered or left the island involuntarilly, only hearsay from people who said she MUST have been murdered because she didn't appear at breakfast and wasn't in her room one day.
The people she was last seen with were automatically arrested as the most likely suspects in a crime that was probably never comitted.

Of course a judge could have made up some bogus murder charges and convicted them to make the police and himself look good under foreign pressure, but THAT would have made the entire legal system a sham, not releasing them for lack of evidence against them!



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User currently offlineCOfaninBOS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5716 times:

Boycott Aruba?

No thanks. How about we boycott Alabama?


User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5682 times:

acidradio- 'bama is better  Smile

Either way, they screwed up bigtime and now looks like they'll pay. Hopefully airlines won't get caught in the crossfire.



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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1896 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5680 times:

Excuse me guys, but what Boycott are we exactly talking about. Is it about the murdered girl?

If it's that I consider it a very stupid thing. Aruba is something amazing to be downgraded like this...



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User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1428 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

They boycott was proposed by our dumb governor here at Alabama to get some votes in his re-election next year.......here is a link to the discussion in Non-av Alabama Gov: Boycot Aruba (by Airlinelover Nov 8 2005 in Non Aviation)a

Aruba is a great place, here is a tip for some great spottin. If you go to that huge shopping center just past the airport as you enter the city, there is a hotel on the southwest side of it, just across the street from that movie theatre. Since that hotel does not have a beach on site, they have an island where there guest can go, I think it is $30 for non-guest or so. Well the island is located just southwest of the docks, which turns out to be parallel to the airports runway. All you gotta do is find your way to the back of the island (the beach/bars are on the east side of the small island) and you'll get the best spotting view ever in aua



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1376 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 19):
How about we boycott Alabama?

I believe Alabama has already been boycotted...

If you took a poll in Birmingham and the surrounding areas, I would bet that 90% or better would say that Ms. Twitty's 15 minutes of fame are over, and are sick of seeing this woman in the local headlines.

Now with that being said I can't even begin to imagine the loss of a child, so I will not try to examine her emotions since this all took place. However I believe her anger and frustration should be placed at the feet of the chaperones of this trip, not the Aruban authorities. I do believe they screwed up the investigation at the start, but later put their best foot forward and did an admirable job. They realized they were in over their heads and asked for outside help from the FBI, among others.

If this story had come from anywhere else except from affluent Mountain Brook (where Natalee was from) it would have not made it past the first week. But since the girl came from a privileged background, the political wheels have been churning in Montgomery, and "by god, this is one of our own here, we must do something. Let's boycott 'em, that will teach 'em they can't do this to us"... rolleyes 

I have lived in Alabama for 11 years, and while I feel they have made great strides in overcoming the 60's Southern stereotype it is incidents like this and the Roy Moore fiasco that make me embarrassed to say I live here.

Boycott Aruba?? Don't worry Alabama, they probably won't even notice you're not there....


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5628 times:

The boycott of Aruba is the most insane thing that I hae seen yet this year. It was initiated by a digruntled American mosther that was pissed to know her mother was sleeping with half the island of Aruba. Somehow along the way, the daughter went missing. Get over it. It is not a reason to block an entire nation and its financial gain.

Why dont people from Holland and Aruba, boycott the United States?

KAHALA777


25 Cadet57 : Aruba is a wonderful place, i just went in july, and if airfares wernt so expensive in feb i would go again.. thou with this bs "boycott" i might just
26 MauriceB : 1- aruba's legal age of drinking is 21 2-The Arubian, American and Dutch navy/air force are all based on aruba , with planes (F-60 based on curacao, R
27 474218 : While I agree with you that a boycott of Aruba is insane, a boycott of the United States by Holland and Aruba would never work. There are 290 million
28 Post contains images Commavia : Back to the topic at hand -- I suspect the "boycott" will have little-to-no impact whatsoever. AA, the largest U.S. carrier to Aruba, doesn't seem to
29 RedAirForce : I love the nitwits here who say she left the island alive (you must know what no one else does, or you are just plain dumb) or that she was sleeping w
30 MauriceB : atleast our government isn't corrupt (the dutch and the arubian) there are 2 more suspected ,wich aren't dutch this happens more in whole europe than
31 StevenG : This whole story made headlines in The Netherlands this summer but, fortunately, it's almost out of the picture now. I wonder if this topic should bel
32 KL911 : Pffff, is there anyone out there that still thinks she's been killed? There should have been evidence by now, don't you think? I think she just 'disap
33 UN_B732 : I think if we don't teach the Arubans how to help, this stuff will continue. I wholeheartedly support the Boycott of Aruba, and sincerely hope they le
34 Swisswings : This whole thread is getting out of hand. There is no body, thus there is no murder (yet). So, let's stop assuming things, stop blaming people without
35 MauriceB : I think if we don't teach the Arubans how to help, this stuff will continue. I wholeheartedly support the Boycott of Aruba, and sincerely hope they le
36 B777-700 : There's 3 reasons why this is still in the news: 1 - She's rich 2 - She's attractive 3 - She's white Go to Aruba and enjoy yourselves.[Edited 2005-11
37 Tornado82 : I'd feel ALOT safer down there than I would on the streets of New York City, Chicago, LA, Philly, or even downtown inner-city Allentown. Will they? L
38 Magyar : I would just hand a bunch of "Have you seen me?" fliers to this governor. People receive them in US cities on a daily basis so there is no problem to
39 COEWR2587 : The drinking age in Aruba isn't 21, it's 18.
40 Post contains images Cadet57 : Or 17 at the at the Paradise Beach Villas pool bar....
41 CO787 : This is my first post, and first off I go to Aruba 6-10 weeks a year and have to say that it has to be one of the safest places I have ever been. Alth
42 Chris133 : I do feel bad for the family of the girl, but to boycott an entire country for something that happens everyday here in just about every city is just p
43 Letsgetwet : What kind of parents would let a 17 year old girl fly to a foreign island without proper adult supervision.? This trip was not sanctioned by her schoo
44 VHXLR8 : Ok, so now you're going to start dictating to other countries what their laws should or shouldn't be??
45 Post contains images B707Stu :
46 PHLAUA : I agree that this so-called "boycott" is ridiculus. I think that people who are trying to set this up are those narrow minded people that can't unders
47 Thegooddoctor : ...why? If we're going to make decisions about legal age by evaluating the number of people who die from an activity, I'd much rather drop the drinki
48 DarthRandall : It amazes me that this sort of thing actually bothers some people. How many murder investigations are going on now in our own respective local areas?
49 Schipholjfk : Dumbest freaking boycott proposed by some red neck legislator! Aruba is a fantastic place. If we counted the number of tourists murdered in the U.S.
50 Lamedianaranja : Me and my Aruban colleagues agree that she must have been skinny-dipping at Shark's Rock and with the amount of alcohol she consumed something went w
51 Post contains images Drerx7 : Scores of people have gone missing in Alabama (ahem civil rights) in the past century and we aren't boycotting them
52 Glareskin : But I know that the Dutch foreign minister Bot asked for an explanation from the US govt. I'm not aware of the answer. Hmm, you must live very local
53 B707Stu : If I follow the logic behind this boycott then if you believe OJ killed Nicole we should all be boycotting California? Ridiculous.
54 UN_B732 : Is Serbia and Montenegro hampering the authorities search for a missing girl? -Mr. X
55 Afrikaskyes : The question of how this will affect US Airways operations in Aruba was just brought up on Fox News' "Dayside." They suggested jobs might be affected
56 B744F : stop watching the news and they won't get such high ratings for reporting this nonsense
57 Tommy767 : I've been to Aruba twice. It is my favorite caribbean island with the most magnificent scenery and beaches. I know despite this boycott I would try to
58 Aerofan : that's america for you. one idiotic blonde bimbette does something stupid and what happens? everyone must pay for it!! only in america!! to hear the n
59 Wjcandee : If this girl was from Washington, DC, and her parents were, say, college administrators, I suspect all the childish sniping would be significantly re
60 Wjcandee : Well, let's see...from media reports: (1) They initially told the parents that this happened all the time and the girl would turn up, suggesting that
61 Wjcandee : This is what a government is SUPPOSED to do for its citizens. At the peak of Roman rule in Europe, nobody dared harm a Roman citizen as he or she tra
62 NIKV69 : That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. It is still in the news because the FOX and CNN eat up these stories when young girls disappear
63 Afrikaskyes : There's 3 reasons why this is still in the news: 1 - She's rich 2 - She's attractive 3 - She's white .....He's right. You can say the same about Eliza
64 PlanesNTrains : There was more to it than that, but hey, who cares, right? I think that was Kahala777. People on here care more about AC's new livery than the life o
65 Wjcandee : Bravo, Dave. I'm adding you to my respected user's list. --Bill
66 Kiwiandrew : I suggest this whole thread be moved to non-aviation - it started out about the effects of the boycott on airlines - but that didn't last long - now i
67 PlanesNTrains : Likewise, Bill. I meant to thank you for your thoughtful post when I made mine, but I was working at the same time and needed to rap it up. Great job!
68 Post contains links and images Northernlights : Dear 474218, OK there are 290 million living in the US and only about 16,5 million live in the Kingdom of the Netherlands (The Netherlands, Netherlan
69 Thegooddoctor : ...yes, it seems that despite anyone's (myself included) distaste for the idea of working in the field of politics, man's nature seems hard to escape
70 Mir : And how exactly do you plan to enforce this? We can't even enforce the drinking age in THIS country - how the hell are you going to do it elsewhere w
71 Post contains images NIKV69 : You are equally as wrong, Was Carlie Brucia rich? Stop this nonsense. If you look at these stories there is an underlying factor why they are news, f
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