Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4242 posts, RR: 53 Posted (8 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1365 times:
So Beckett and Lowell are going to Boston and now it looks like Delgado is bound for KROC's Mets. Castillo, Pierre, and LoDuca are still being shopped around. Will they even have enough players to put on the field next year, at least that can play at a level above the Royals? The owner is trying to cut payroll down to about $40 million from their close to $60 million payroll of last year. Well, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
In other Marlins news, they might just be leaving South Florida within the next five years. Most likely possible destinations are: Las Vegas; Monterrey, Mexico; and Portland, Oregon.
What else could go on this offseason? The winter meetings kick off in a week and a half here in Dallas, so that is when we should expect more activity in the trade and free agent markets. Look for Texas to try and make a splash by dangling Blalock, Soriano, Mench, Nix, and Laird, as well as prospects Joaquin Arias and Adrian Gonzalez for just about anybody who can throw a ball off a mound.
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
Seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 10738 posts, RR: 16 Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1358 times:
I thought San Juan, Puerto Rico was also trying to get a baseball team. Or, did they give up after the Expos?
I heard somewhere that the Marlins are thinking of leaving Miami and that Portland will try, yet again, to get a team. I don't think the current mayor of Portland, Tom Potter, is as gung-ho about getting a baseball team as Vera Katz was. After the county tax for schools fiasco, (5 schools closed and they are collecting taxes for one more year) I seriously doubt anyone would want to fund a new stadium in Portland. The city council couldn't even get one of the richest tribes in the West to help fund a new stadium!
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1353 times:
Quoting SYRGuy (Reply 1): Minaya is too quick to spend money. Big mistake.
I agree with this to a point...Minaya when he was in prison errrrr the acting GM of the MLB owned Expos did a great job. With the Mets he actually has some payroll to work with. the Mets have a solid core of young talent. My boy David Wright, Jose Reyes, Victor Diaz, Matt Jacobs etc. They have a decent starting pitching staff and if they sign Billy Wagner (which is a GREAT move) then they will help shore up one of the worst bullpens in the majors. Picking up Molina to catch wouldn't hurt either. I hadn't heard about the Delgado move but think about it. Delgado had a very good year quietly in Florida. In a Graveyard of a ballpark too. Shea isn't exactly Coors Canaveral, but its better than Pro Player Stadium. Add along with Delgados bat his team leadership, good attitude and solid play and it sounds worth while to me. Especially over Doug Manhoweveryouspellhisnamewick. Saying Delgado could be another Mo Vaughn sounds like a bitter Braves Fan who knows he is about to lose Furcal and doesn't see any upgrading moves in the Bravos future. Vaughn was coming off basically 2 years without playing because he was hurt and he was washed up. I still haven't forgot Steve Phillips for the Vaughn debacle.
As for the Marlins Fire sale...its sad. Especially when the Cuyahoga River says they are out of control.
SYRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1350 times:
Quoting KROC (Reply 3): I still haven't forgot Steve Phillips for the Vaughn debacle.
And now the idiot thinks he can analyze other people's decisions while sitting in a chair at ESPN. He makes me sick.....
And thanks to Chipper Jones for restructuring his contract for LESS money, we have a good shot at getting Furcal back. Even if you arent a fan of Chipper, that was a class move, he's a team player, its a shame theres only about 5 or 6 of them left in the league these days.
ORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1327 times:
Quoting SYRGuy (Reply 4): we have a good shot at getting Furcal back
I saw on one of the news shows the other day an interview with him saying he hopes to stay with the Braves. He really emphasized how much he likes Bobby Cox. I hope they do resign him. Now, if only the Braves could learn how to hit, run, catch, and throw in October!
MKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1010 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1320 times:
I think that, in the end, the Fish will stay in South Florida. If Miami doesn't step up to the plate (so to speak) then FLL would put forth some sort of package. But if they do end up leaving, Portland is the likely destination. There simply isn't enough disposable income in San Juan, and Monterrey to support a MLB franchise. As for Las Vegas, baseball is so scared about the mere apperance of impropriety when it comes to gambling that Vegas will simply be radioactive.
Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 10): Now, if only the Braves could learn how to hit, run, catch, and throw in October!
That's the most comforting thing about being a Braves fan. You don't know how it will end, you just know that it will all end in tears. The how and the why of October are the only suprises you face. You know it's going to end badly and that you will be left, alone, amazed, muttering "I didn't know it was possible to lose like that."
"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." Frank Zappa
Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4242 posts, RR: 53 Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1317 times:
MKEdude, rumor is that the Brewers are the frontrunners to sign Jarrod Washburn. They might even open the pocketbooks a little more to add depth to their roster. Overbay is also likely to be dealt, although nobody seems to know where. The Mets are one team that has been talking to Milwaukee about Overbay.
KROC, looks like Mark Sweeney is also likely to become a Met. Good to have another pinch hit bat at a few million per
SYRGuy, don't know who else the Braves can add after Fercal. Looks like it'll be another first round and out.
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
Dragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3942 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1307 times:
I was reading on the Yankees messege board that there could be a 3 team deal involving eight players. The Florida Marlins would trade outfielder Juan Pierre to the Los Angeles Dodgers and relief pitcher Guillermo Mota to the New York Yankees. In return Florida receives pitchers DJ Houlton and Yhency Brazoban, and minor league outfielder Delwyn Young from Los Angeles, along with minor league outfielder, Melky Cabrera, from New York. Outfielder Milton Bradley goes to New York, and former Marlin, Carl Pavano goes to Los Angeles.
As for the Mets deal I have mixed emotions about it. We could use the power (although we should focus more on pitching) of Delgado's bat, but my worry is how he will fit in with the team. I mean he did snub the Mets last year during free agency. Plus I saw on the Mets board the he has a claus in his contract that says he can be traded after 2006 if he wants.
Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4242 posts, RR: 53 Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1283 times:
ChiSox have stated Everett will not be re-signed. If they re-sign Konerko, they could have a very powerful middle of the lineup.
Philly needs a CF too, that's one of the reasons they made the trade. With the way the ball travels out of Citizens Bank Park, Rowand could hit over 30 homers and with Howard at 1st, the overall power numbers should increase for Philly. Of course, their starting pitching is still suspect and if they cannot re-sign Wagner or land another quality closer, they still won't win a playoff spot, especially in the NL East.
The team that intrigues me the most going into next season is the Cleveland Indians. If they can hold it together, they'll challenge for the AL Central title and possibly the AL pennant. It should be fun!
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
AC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1275 times:
fire sales of talent, promising stadium deals that fall through and threaten the relocation of the team. We Montrealers warned you South Florida, but Jeffrey Loria works his magic for Bud Selig yet again.
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 38 Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1267 times:
That Dodgers/Marlins/Yanks proposal sounds like a winner for the Dodgers.
As for KROC's Mets being a stronger team, no doubt they will be. However, until they can end the season a winner, they'll still be grouped with my Dodger's and my brothers' Orioles as high-priced teams who can't put it all together.
Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1249 times:
Quoting Texan (Reply 13): The Mets are one team that has been talking to Milwaukee about Overbay.
I would love to see Overbay on the Mets. They could use this guy bigtime.
Quoting Texan (Reply 13): KROC, looks like Mark Sweeney is also likely to become a Met. Good to have another pinch hit bat at a few million per
Mark or Mike Sweeney? If you are talking about the one on the Royals, then its Mike. I would take him as he is a very good ball player and an even better person but I'm not sure whats left in the tank at this stage of his career.
Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 14): As for the Mets deal I have mixed emotions about it. We could use the power (although we should focus more on pitching) of Delgado's bat, but my worry is how he will fit in with the team. I mean he did snub the Mets last year during free agency. Plus I saw on the Mets board the he has a claus in his contract that says he can be traded after 2006 if he wants.
While I was excited at first about this trade I am somewhat hesitant now. I'm not concerned with Delgado "snubbing" the Mets, he just went to where he thought he would fit in best. Obviously money wasn't the issue. And the Mets deffinitely need Delgados power bat in the lineup but this Mike Jacobs kid is young and showed tons of potential. In just over 100 plate apperances he hit 11 home runs and batet .306 That aint bad for a kid still learning on the MLB level. I personally would like to see him get a full season at first base. That gives the Mets a solid young infield. Jacobs, Reyes, Wright, possibly Molina behind the plate and whoever they get to replace that abortion of a ball player Matsui at 2nd. I would like to see the Mets get a big power bat for the outfield and NOT ManRam. A legit power bat to compliment Floyd and hopefully a rebounding Beltran would be key and go along with the budding superstars in the infield. Sign Wagner and get some more help in the Bully and the Mets would be looking at a very solid team top to bottom.
Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 20): As for KROC's Mets being a stronger team, no doubt they will be. However, until they can end the season a winner, they'll still be grouped with my Dodger's and my brothers' Orioles as high-priced teams who can't put it all together.
Lets not get this twisted. The MEts played in the strongest division in baseball last year. The Dodgers played in the worst. If they played in the N.L. East they would have struggled to get 65 wins. The Orioles are a joke because Pinko Pete Angelos has no clue as to what he is doing. Its the worst run ballclub out there who are full of bats with even less pitching than the Mets. Here's to BF Sid Pontoonboot getting his 4th DUI this coming season.
Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4242 posts, RR: 53 Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1246 times:
Quoting KROC (Reply 21): Mark or Mike Sweeney? If you are talking about the one on the Royals, then its Mike. I would take him as he is a very good ball player and an even better person but I'm not sure whats left in the tank at this stage of his career.
Mark, the Padres pinch hit specialist last year. Word is the Mets are throwing wads of money his way for some reason (wads in this case probably means $2 mil per or so).
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
Dragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3942 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1241 times:
If the Mets dont get Molina what do they do? Do they keep Castro? Bring Piazza back? Im not sure who else they could go after.
Quoting KROC (Reply 21): but this Mike Jacobs kid is young and showed tons of potential. In just over 100 plate apperances he hit 11 home runs and batet .306 That aint bad for a kid still learning on the MLB level.
You know who Mike Jacobs reminded me of? Chipper Jones (also known as "Larry" to us Met Fans)
Quoting KROC (Reply 21): I would like to see the Mets get a big power bat for the outfield and NOT ManRam. A legit power bat to compliment Floyd and hopefully a rebounding Beltran would be key and go along with the budding superstars in the infield.
Don't foget we still have our very good rookie outfielder Lastings Milledge. That is if Minaya is stupid enough to trade this kid. But you are right, we do need another outfielder now that we traded Cameron.
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1235 times:
Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 23): If the Mets dont get Molina what do they do? Do they keep Castro? Bring Piazza back? Im not sure who else they could go after
I wouldn't be upset seeign Castro behind the plate to see what he could do over a full season. He handled the staff well, had some key hits (although he needs to boost that average up some) and is solid defensively. Piazza is done in NY. And as a Mets and Piazza Fan, I'm thankful for that.
Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 23): Don't foget we still have our very good rookie outfielder Lastings Milledge. That is if Minaya is stupid enough to trade this kid. But you are right, we do need another outfielder now that we traded Cameron.
Victor Diaz played very well for the Mets last year. I think he could do even better knowing he was going to be in one place for the entire season. I would much rather see a bigger proven bat out there, but I would give Victor the benefit of the doubt as well. Cameron being gone is the best news from the Mets since they told me they would not be bringing back that fat piece of crap Mo Vaughn.
25 Texan: Looks like Toronto is getting into the FA market, reportedly signing BJ Ryan to a 5 year $47 million deal. A bit on the outrageous side if you ask me,
26 Flairport: i disagree...they still got it this year yep! Except the stadium site up here is now a bunch of apartments...thats a problem! ok the Marlins got Hanl
27 Texan: The Fish still are still dangling Pierre, Castillo, and LoDuca to anyone who might be interested. There's been moderate interest in Pierre and Castill
28 KROC: Amazing. Its truly amazing what one solid year as a closer can get you on the free agent market. You are a DIEHARD fan...just like me. Signed, SRYGuy
29 Texan: Billy Wagner is now a Met, signing a 4-year $43 million contract. So the Mets now have on hitter and one reliever Texan
30 Dragon-wings: Now all the Mets need to do is ship Kaz Matsui back to Japan and get a REAL second baseman. Then our infield will be all set!
31 KROC: If the Mets can get Benji Molina and a decent 2nd baseman then the infield will be all squared away. Until that debacle Kaz Matsui is gone I won't fee
32 Texan: Florida's amazing winter fire sale has continued, with Luis Castillo going to the Twins and with Paul LoDuca reportedly heading to the Mets pending a
33 KROC: The Marlins are a disgrace to baseball period. They make the Royals look like an elite organization.
34 Mir: While the Marlins are going about self-destructing, the Yankees might want to look into Juan Pierre. He's the kind of leadoff hitter that the Yankees
35 KROC: I have already solved that problem. Jeter or ARod will be playing in Center. Signed, Joe Torre
36 Texan: Alright, time to be ahead of the game. A.J. Burnett to the Cards, 5 years $50 million. That's what I'm hearing right now. No confirmation from any new
37 Texan: Looks like my source led me astray...Burnett to the Blue Jays, 5 years $55 million. Overpaid for an overhyped player if you ask me, but then again I d
38 KROC: Burnett was indeed way overpaid. He is a .500 pitcher in his career. And thats with being surrounded by some decent lineups and and being part of a ve
39 Texan: At least the Rangers didn't try to sign Paul Byrd to a Chan Ho-esque deal Still plenty of time for that, though. Jeff Weaver is still on the market Te
40 ORFflyer: Looks like he's headed to LA..... Six years/39mil I think. Sucks for the Braves. So much for his earlier comments about wanting to stay in Atlanta. I
41 KROC: Furcal is getting a deal from the Dodgers for A LOT more cash than that. It comes out to around 13 mil a year.
42 YooYoo: New owner, new money...are we becoming the Yankees of the north. I sure as hell hope not !!
43 ORFflyer: I heard it was that kind of money for the first two years, and then drops significantly for the remainder of the term. Only caught bits and pieces of
44 CactusA319: Furcal is getting $40 mil over 3 years. I think the Dodgers overpaid, especially considering they already had a good SS in Izturis.
45 KROC: No, you're not becoming the Yankees of the North. The Yankees actually win games from all the money they spend. I want to say the actual contract is
46 ORFflyer: Yea, I just checked in Sports Ill. site. "Furcal will receive $9 million next year, with $5 million of that to be called a signing bonus. He gets $13
47 Texan: Izturis is out until at least late June, more likely into early-mid July recovering from surgery. He'll move to 2nd, Kent to 1st. Dodgers will have a
48 KROC: Its not a given yet that Izturis and the stache would be willing to move. That would be a job for the manager to deal with. Oh wait.....
49 CactusA319: Yeah supposedly Furcal wanted to go to a team that would pay him a decent amount of money, had a good chance of winning, and where he felt comfortable
50 KROC: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Classic. Careful L.A. Drivers. Like your traffic isn't bad enough, now you have a guy looking for the DUI Hatrick coming to your stre
51 SYRGuy: CactusA319, as a fellow Brave fan, thats got to be some of the funniest shit I've seen in a while. LA isnt going anywhere anytime soon. And while the
52 KROC: Yeah it is. They have the most loyal fans by far.
53 SYRGuy: Nothing like a loyal Los Angeles fan either. I'm also hearing that the Braves are trying to get Edgar Renteria. If he plays like he did while he was
54 KROC: Dodger fans have nothing to worry about...unless they are in teh stadium...and lesbian. Boston just traded away their best prospect...a Short Stop. T
55 SYRGuy: "Brave new world? Dec 7 - The Red Sox are moving aggressively to trade shortstop Edgar Renteria, the Boston Globe reports. Renteria has fallen out of
56 ORFflyer: The Red Sox are in talks with Schuerholz now. It was announced this morning. Also, the Braves are looking at Octavio Dotel for closer duties. He had
57 KROC: I have no problem with a 30 error plus Shortstop in the ATL.
58 ORFflyer: Touche... and I'm a Braves fan. Your Mets are looking pretty aggressive this winter. Obviously in an attempt to catch the Braves, and all their Divis
59 KROC: I think they are trying to catch the Braves yes, especially since they are def. weakened. They are also competing heavily for their share in NYC alon
60 ORFflyer: Agreed. That's going to be tough with that "other" team up there and their shameless owner. Speaking of field. Is there anything in the works for get
61 KROC: They have unveiled what the new stadium would look like. I believe in a previous baseball thread someone posted a pic of the model of the new park. It
62 ORFflyer: Pretty impressive. Someone not from here that knows the area is Hampton Roads. Most folks look at me with that "deer in the headlights" look when I s
63 KROC: Thanks for the offer. Maybe this upcoming baseball season I can get down over a weekend. I'd love to get back down there. Hey, at least you have a goo
64 ORFflyer: It's funny that the R-Braves have had such poor showings lately, but the kids they send on to ATL really spark in the bigs. Maybe these youngsters ca
65 CactusA319: Thanks, but I'm not a Braves fan. I'm a Cubs fan pissed that he took the money and ran to LA. At least the Cubbies got Juan Pierre today to solve the
66 KROC: At least Tampa Bay won't be the worst baseball team in Florida next year.
67 Garnetpalmetto: And if you're ever in the RDU area...you better tell me so you can partake in a Durham Bulls game and a Carolina Mudcats game. The joy of having not
68 KROC: Durham's got that big "Green Monster" like wall right?
69 Texan: Just off the presses again, the Atlanta Braves have traded Johnny Estrada to the Diamondbacks for Lance Cormier and Oscar Villareal. That's all I know
70 Dragon-wings: This hasn't happened, but on the local sports radio station (WFAN) they are saying there is a possibility of the Mets trading Chris Benson and Lasting
71 Texan: Trevor Hoffman has re-signed with the Padres, rejecting the Indians reportedly higher offer. Texan edit: The Marlins Crazy Eddie Sale looks like it is
72 KROC: We hope this trade happens...then Benson cheats on his wife out here. Bring on Anna baby. Signed, the Oakland Clubhouse
73 Texan: Texas trades Alfonso Soriano to the Washington Nationals for Brad Wilkerson, Terrmel Sledge, and a minor league pitcher, Armando Gallaraga. I do not l
74 KROC: Unless Washtreal sign some more players to go along with this trade, I don't like it for them. They had too many gaps to fill and they are not going t
75 N200WN: Add another city to the list : http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2005/12/05/daily11.html
76 KROC: I think "Alamo City" would be the best fit of the cities listed. A name change would be in order though..
77 Texan: Lyle Overbay has been acquired by the Toronto Blue Jays for David Bush, Gabe Gross, and Zach Jackson. I like this deal for Milwaukee. Bush is a good #
78 Texan: I agreed with that until I heard the new rumor: Texas trades Wilkerson to Toronto for Orlando Hudson and Miguel Batista. If we can get Hudson and Bat
79 KROC: Wow, Toronto is coming on strong. That Overbay deal is a great pick up for them and while I hate to see a team like Milwaukee lose one of their best p
80 CactusA319: With Overbay gone I'm guessing the Brewers will be playing Prince Fielder at first. Insert your fat jokes here. After that trade I was checking to se
81 KROC: Apparently Prince Fielder has a lot of potential. If he is ready to go full time at the Major League Level, this will have been a good move for the B
82 LHMARK: Way to go, Washington. Trade away your franchise player, the ambassador of your team, for a couple extra dingers per year and no significant gain in t
83 Texan: Tony Womack has been traded to the Reds for prospects. Andy Marte goes to the Red Sox, with Atlanta receiving Edgar Renteria and cash in return. Todd
84 KROC: Look, if they will re-elect a guy who smokes crack for mayor, I'm sure they will still vote for a new stadium for a team that is trading away its pri
85 ORFflyer: And he's promised us Braves fans less errors than last year. Take that KROC!! You're Mets, and the rest of the NL East are doomed again....
86 Texan: Dan Kolb traded back to the Brewers for Wes Obermuller. Texan
87 KROC: I didn't think it was possible for him to make any MORE errors than he did last year.