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User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

After spending some time in Europe this summer during the peak of all the treaty negotiations, I know just how much hatred their is spilling over towards the US and it's current administration. People abroad just view the Bush administration as a joke, especially with all his talk about a missile defense system. I'm not trying to justify this, but there's no doubt their's a lot of anti-US sentiment out there.

Someone (or some group) out there is definitely trying to show us something. And I think they succeeded, in a most horrible way. The fact that four airplanes can be hijacked on the same day shows us how our national security system has many significant shortcomings that have nothing to do with nuclear weapons etc. etc... The US constantly boast about all this fancy technology when it has such basic shortcomings.

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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

The reason why many countires hate us is because of our Foreign Policy.

Regards.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

AgnusBymaster: After spending some time in Europe this summer during the peak of all the treaty negotiations, I know just how much hatred their is spilling over towards the US and it's current administration. People abroad just view the Bush administration as a joke,

Be assured that that´s not so.

For all the political and cultural bickering going on between countries, there is hardly any hatred against the US in Europe. There is some annoyance for sure; There are differences on the topics; But everybody knows that this does in no way question the fact that we´re together in almost all questions that are really important.

On this day, there is no place for our differences which are real, but miniscule by comparison - we´re all with you.

The attackers find all the civilized world against them - united.


User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

I don't agree with Americas foreign policy and I definently don't agree with Bush but the way that "this"terrorist group has acted demands imediate response against them and not a population at large. I fear that this attack will only lead to an even worse future for the Palistinians (If Ben Ladin is responsible). It is important for the US and allies to understand that while we have been hit with several terrorist attacks from one group that doesn't represent the Palistinian population at large that Palistinians have been attacked by almost all world powers via Israel for centuries. Looking at the news and other chat rooms this is guarunteed to get out of hand.

My heart goes out to all the people who suffered in NY, DC and PE and also to those in Kenya and Tanzania who suffered before. I hope that this will influence Bush and others to take a more serious role in the happenings in the world and realize that they do impact the lives of everyone. We live in a very close world and the US needs to understand there role.




"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6897 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

first identify the group of terrorists that did the deed....at the moment all it seems like is that people just want to bomb the middle east without knowing who to blame, that is what the terrorists want...for the US to blame the first group that comes into mind and bomb them, then they bomb back....that is how World Wars start

User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

And the Arabs DARE to cheer the attack. How much more idiotic can they be?

User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

And also, I have to say that this was an attack against the civilized world and I hope that the perpetrators of it are caught and dealt with appropriately.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

the "hatred" in Europe is mostly envy with a good dose of communist and islamic fundamentalist propaganda.
Most people look up to the US in private only to spit at them in public because it is the politically correct thing to do.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

Jwenting: the "hatred" in Europe is mostly envy with a good dose of communist and islamic fundamentalist propaganda. Most people look up to the US in private only to spit at them in public because it is the politically correct thing to do.

Even after 38 years, I´ve yet to meet my first fellow european who fits at least one of your descriptions! You should change your environment, quickly!

I´m very sorry for you.


User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

I think you guys are focusing on Europe too much. I was merely using Europe to exemplify a world-wide trend. I do not feel Europeans are the most "anti-American," and do not seek to make any stereotypes of that matter.

My main point was that the rest of the world views the current US administration and their foreign policy as a joke.


User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Jwenting:
>the "hatred" in Europe is mostly envy with a good dose of communist and islamic fundamentalist propaganda.

You sound more and more like a Hitler in the making everytime you open your mouth.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

AgnusBymaster: My main point was that the rest of the world views the current US administration and their foreign policy as a joke.

Not a lot more than many americans. But that´s a tiny, little concern compared to what´s going on right now. Don´t worry, after all, we´re all family.

RealHigh: You sound more and more like a Hitler in the making everytime you open your mouth.

Please stop. You´re at least as much out of whack right now.

Please let´s not tear each others heads off at this time of tragedy. The terror must stop somewhere.


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

One must realize that much of the "hatred" of the United States in Europe stems from the fact that it is just fashionable to do so. Politically, Economically, and Socially, the United States is very beneficial to Europe (and vice versa), and I doubt that most Europeans truly think otherwise.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Trvir: One must realize that much of the "hatred" of the United States in Europe stems from the fact that it is just fashionable to do so.

I´m not to belittle you, but you can´t really have firsthand knowledge here. I do. It is not "fashionable" to hate the USA.

There are real issues where the USA and Europe have serious differences. But these differences are understood on the firm basis of our common fundamentals.

The differences are far, far smaller than our common ideals.

Trvir: Politically, Economically, and Socially, the United States is very beneficial to Europe (and vice versa), and I doubt that most Europeans truly think otherwise.

Nobody doubts that on this side of the pond.


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5392 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

In another context, some of these comments might be sources of amusemnet, but there is none to be had here, now.

But, AgnusByMaster, having said that US foreign policy is "a joke," I'll take a leap here- I doubt you know much of anything about current foreign policy.

In any event, if you want your policy comments to be taken seriously, comment about particular policies with which you disagree, explain why you disagree, and propose your well-reasoned and better alternative. In the absence of these elements, your comments are but the addled braying of an ignorant idiot.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

I thought it would be plainly obvious that I was referring to how OTHER nations see US foreign policy. My point is that this particular administration has gone further to provoke anti-US sentiment than the Clinton administration. And now, we are paying the price.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

AgnusBymaster: My point is that this particular administration has gone further to provoke anti-US sentiment than the Clinton administration. And now, we are paying the price.

I don´t think it´s all the fault of the new administration. But I would say it was a bad mistake to effectively abandon the middle east initiative - which of course meant that the US kept supporting Israel and abandoned any support for the palestinians.

When our own (german) foreign minister was asked to step in and mediate between israelis and palestinians I got a weird feeling. This wasn´t right! Not that he wasn´t willing or competent (he´s both). But the USA just dropping out of sight was a little like watching the pilot jumping with a parachute...

I don´t see real damage done in the western world. Bush has annoyed many, but I still don´t see any substantial alienation.

I think it´s the palestinians who lost all hope - and today, they also lost a lot of the sympathy they had left in the world (even if they probably haven´t been part of the attack).

All these victims - for nothing...  Crying


User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

But, AgnusByMaster, having said that US foreign policy is "a joke,"

That's called quoting out of context. In fact, I explicitly stated that I was not presenting my own personal opinion. I never stated whether I agree or disagree with anything! This is what I said:

People abroad just view the Bush administration as a joke, especially with all his talk about a missile defense system. I'm not trying to justify this, but there's no doubt their's a lot of anti-US sentiment out there.
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IMHO, we have antagonized much of the rest of the world, and this present administration has only furthered this. It is only because the rest of the world is so reliant upon US trade that I believe there is no possiblity of a World War in the near future.

But even if another nation cannot destroy our nation and the callings for which we stand, they can take away the lives of our citizens as an act of protest, and therefore, we must do all that is possible to prevent the loss of any more US citizens.
To reiterate, we have been shown by the rest of the world that a great deal of damage can be done to the US w/o the use of nuclear weapons. The group responsible for this act is trying to show us that our priorities are misaligned. Whether or not we should believe that message is another issue entirely.


User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3970 times:

Sccutler--I am not citing specific examples because the motivating factors of the hatred towards the US, as they vary from nation to nation/culture to culture. Much of it is indeed greed/envy, but of course, there are instances where genuine ideological conflicts, and conflicts of foreign policy are at play.

I think Klaus makes a good point in saying that many nations are merely "annoyed" with US foreign policy. As it stands presently, I do not believe there is any foreign country who would declare war on the US...certainly not directly, at any rate.

But, as we saw by those Palestinians dancing in the street, there are people with a genuine hate for the USA and what it stands for. And all it takes is a small millitant contention (eg...Osama Bin Laden and his followers) to lay the plans for an act of terrorism against the US.

I believe today's attack was unusually elborate and well-orchestrated. And while it came very far from crippling the nation as a whole, it resulting in a terrible tragedy.

My point is that the US should do MORE to prevent acts such as those that occured today. These "low-tech" acts of terrorism are the real threat to the US.

The country itself is in no real danger...only its citizens.


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Certain elements of the world will soon be viewing the US through the wrong end of an A-10s gatling gun.


Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 912 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4101 times:

I know that many people in Australia view the US as a very bad thing indeed. I also believe this. The United States in my opinion is a trigger happy superpower, a global policeman. I do not wish to offend anyone, as i feel as much as anyone else immense sorrow for the loss of life, but I think the US had yesterdays 'bombings' coming...for all the atrocities the US commits agains what they label "Rogue nations" it is about time someone stood up to them, and gave them some of their own medecine. The bombing of innocents in Iraq, the destruction (through Israel) of Palestinian homes.
This is just my opinion, but I do know that many people my age (17) in Australia feel the same way.
Ashley


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

All those levely Aussies and the kind way they treat asylum seekers.

Look mate, I used to live in OZ and I don't think I've ever seen a more pompous, up their own arse race as the Australians so get back to eating meat pies and the other things your country is so good at. To say the US 'had this coming' is disgusting - NOBODY deserves this.



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 912 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

I live in Australia but I do not call myself and "Aussie" please find below an extract of an email I sent to some of my friends concerning the recent Refugee crisis...
"As you may or may not know, I am very strongly opposed to the current government's stand on Asylum Seekers. This folowing article backs up most of my viewpoints. Many people in my religion class think that they should be sent back to where they came from, without backing their arguments up with any evidence. The government calls them "Illegal" to gain public support for their cause. It works. These people are people escaping political persecution in countries like Afghanistan where the ruling Taliban governs with an iron fist. Placing these refugees in detention centres is little more than placing them in a concentration camp - because this is what those places are like. People who have been in these camps for two years and over and they are the ones on hunger strikes...12 year olds are going on hunger strikes. You cannot tell me that it 'serves them right,' because at 12, were you trying to flee from a country that tortures its citizens? Would you not want to try to come to a country where there was even a little hope of a new start? It appals me that people my age do not want to give these people a hope...there is a word for that...Xenophobia...a fear of anything foreign. Many of you condemn Pauline Hanson and her ideologies, however you are thinking exactly as she does. "


User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

So Goodbye, you first say you're sorry for the Americans and then you say that we deserve this? No civilized society deserves what we got so you might as well just shut up once and for all.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Goodbye: I do not wish to offend anyone, as i feel as much as anyone else immense sorrow for the loss of life, but I think the US had yesterdays 'bombings' coming...

Nobody will ever deserve what happened. It is an inexcusable atrocity and the whole world is mourning right now.

In a political analysis, there may be some points where mistakes have been made. But that doesn´t change the fact that the sole responsibility for this lies with the terrorists!
"had it coming" is far too strong here.


Goodbye: Placing these refugees in detention centres is little more than placing them in a concentration camp - because this is what those places are like. People who have been in these camps for two years and over and they are the ones on hunger strikes...12 year olds are going on hunger strikes.

Please, don´t use this comparison! I know how tempting it is to get out "the big club" in a discussion. But concentration camps have a completely different meaning. There is still a huge difference between discomfort and cruel torture!

Maybe australian schools don´t teach a lot about what happened in nazi Germany; But this comparison should really be off limits here.


25 Twotterwrench : Angus, you go straight to hell... Mr. Bush has an obligation to the American people here to ensure that retribution is swift, thorough and continues a
26 Goodbye : I feel sorry for the victims caught up in this tragedy, however I still stand by my opinion that the US had it coming. For all the atrocities they com
27 SUDDEN : I must say that right now we are all americans!!! I can say without feeling ashame, that I don't agree with everything US do, but I don't go around an
28 N202PA : I feel sorry for the victims caught up in this tragedy, however I still stand by my opinion that the US had it coming. For all the atrocities they com
29 Toady : Goodbye: I think I understand your point of view but your wording of it could have been better. America did not have it coming in the sense that it wa
30 Toda,Reisinger : N202PA, you are 100% right. Shame on "Goodbye", good bye once and for all, I hope I won't have to read your BS anymore, because it hurts terribly. I a
31 Lowsonboy : Referring to the topic title, at the moment just about the entire world looks at the US with extreme sadness and sympathy. In Britain we have had much
32 Mcdougald : 'Goodbye': None of the people maimed or killed on Sept. 11 had that coming. Nor did the family, friends or acquaintances of the victims. You're in sor
33 Post contains images Klaus : Toda,Reisinger: there are anti-US resentiments all over Europe, except the UK of course. they are the fruits of deep European FRUSTRATIONS and INFERIO
34 Goodbye : Why does everyone only ever think of the US? Perhaps because if we didn't pay any attention to them they would bomb us to oblivion. Everyone says the
35 Toda,Reisinger : "spill more hate and prejudice": what I said about European views of the US has nothing to do with hate! The title of the discussion is "How the world
36 Dvk : Dear Goodbye, You are a sick, twisted, and extraordinarily immature person, and your "opinions" go way over the line of acceptability. I hope you neve
37 Ryanb741 : Goodbye - I see your point, but I don't agree with it. 'Civilised' countries are ones that don't deliberately target civilians in terrorist attacks. I
38 WN700Driver : SUDDEN, you are credit to your nation. Also, this laden guy has killed people of many nationalities this week. I say we let whichever nation wants to
39 Avion : Klaus in what way is Switzerland different from other european countries?/ Tom
40 NoUFO : > Klaus in what way is Switzerland different from other european countries?/ Maybe Klaus knows - not me since the last Kanton of Switzerland has accep
41 Goodbye : Tell me, what is bombing the hell out of everyone going to acheive? Perhaps start WWIII and get thousands more killed.
42 Tupolev154B2 : Goodbye, that is why we should keep our bombing as limited as possible. Forget about getting the Taliban - lets just get bin Laden.
43 Post contains images Klaus : Goodbye: Why does everyone only ever think of the US? Perhaps because if we didn't pay any attention to them they would bomb us to oblivion. Everyone
44 Post contains images Klaus : Toda,Reisinger: "spill more hate and prejudice": what I said about European views of the US has nothing to do with hate! The title of the discussion i
45 Post contains images OO-AOG : Toda Reisinger Hey we live in the same city! But I strongly disagree on your first post. There are anti-US resentiments all over Europe, except the UK
46 Post contains images Klaus : Avion: Klaus in what way is Switzerland different from other european countries? They´ve got one of the oldest (and strangest ) democracies in Europe
47 Avion : Klaus what part of that democracy is strange? The swiss system is very american. Actually Switzerland took the american example. Also economically Swi
48 Post contains images Klaus : Avion: Klaus what part of that democracy is strange? The swiss system is very american. Actually Switzerland took the american example. From a europea
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