RealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15 Posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4206 times:
As much as I abhor today’s events, is America willing to consider an alternative to its current Middle-East policy? Many Americans don't realize how much there nation is hated or at least not liked because of it's international policy. Today’s events show how serious some groups are about sticking it to the US. People are willing to die to make their cause known. It all comes down to Israel. We have had many fights here in the forums on this topic. Many Americans support Israel manily because of what the media feeds them .
If this escalates to a war, will Americans start to ponder why we unconditionally spoon feed Israel?
I mean really, what has Israel done for the United States?
What vital resource does Israel hold that will lead America to sacrifice her son's & daughters?
I hate to say it but I think Sharon (Israel PM) is just as happy as those Palestinians displayed on CNN.
This will really gain support from the American public to stand by Israel.
What are your opinions?
I hope we can remain civil.
Duce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3784 times:
realhigh, what about the 'sweeping generalizations' you perpetuate by saying that israel is the only nation at fault in the mideast? if you're naive enough to think that the palestinians aren't at least partly at fault then you might want to think about taking a vacation to tel aviv or jerusalem. maybe you can go to a nice restaurant and have your lunch ruined (understatement to say the least) by a suicide bomber.
to say nothing of today's events which are beyond the words to describe. i'm certain that people like you, whose beliefs have no basis in reality and are so rude as to just ignore the reasoning of other people, are ruining this country. i just hope common sense will prevail and that people like you are ignored.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 27 Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3757 times:
Ok, I will try my best to make an "intelligent" response.
Right now, I don't even know how you can think that Israel will have any involvement in what's happening. I really don't think it all comes down to Israel, in fact, I don't think Israel will have anythign to do with this, except support the U.S. in whatever military action they take. As for what Israel has done for the United States, they have provided military intelligence, high tech equipment, a strong military presense, some sense of calm to the area (just imagine Arab nations squabbling over the land), and the only democracy in the middle east. I don't think the issue is whether the U.S.A. will devote troops to the middle east. After this, you just watch how fast the middle east conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians get blown into the shadows.
I certainly don't think Sharon is happy to see this. This is a terrible act of terrorism, the worst that the world has ever seen. I think it strikes Israel hard too, because they are one of the few nations that have also experienced this kind of terrorism (obviously not on this scale), so they feel for the Americans. I really don't think anybody is happy to see this...well, any major political leaders at least. At least I hope they're not happy to see this.
That was a really stupid comment. Her relatives? You basically just told to her face that she is happy that this happened. At least that's what I got out of that comment. You should try not to be filled with such hate and ignorance.
Did you read the questions that RealHigh posted? I don't think you did, while your post makes sense, it is not what RealHigh was asking.
She was not blaming Israel. I am from Israel, and I didn't get offended, and I didn't see any "Israel-blaming" in her post, so don't be so quick to criticize her. Where in her post did she make herself an "Arab apologist to the end?" Pssssh.....
Hope the Palestinians are ready for hell. They got it.
The United States isn't going to go in arms against the Palestinians allied with the Israeli's because there is no proof that it was done by a Palestinian terrorist organization! Why have the Palestinians "asked for it"? I'm glad your not a US military decision maker, you are a little too trigger happy for me.
You're nothing but a PR frontman-an apologist,f or these bastards.
Just shutup, that's a retarded comment.
Where in this thread did she say that Israel is the only nation at fault in the middle ease? I sure didn't see that anywhere. Oh, and how do you know that the Palestinians are partly at fault for what happened here today? Do you have any proof that the Palestinians were behind it? No, so don't say that.
I guess I should respond to those posts, because you people are upset about what happened (I can obviously understand, I am upset too), and when you are upset you don't think rationally, and when you don't think rationally you start shooting and bombing the first people you can think of to blame.
RealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15 Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3753 times:
Thanks Tbar220. You proved to be a bigger man than the rest here in this thread. I certainly hope this was not Palistinians involved in this attack. There could be a possibility though. Those of us who are in the United States don't hate the United States. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here.
I just hope that we can someday all live in peace. The world is too small to create enemies.
Tbar220, I wish we could have talked sooner. I have to go now. I may be back tonight or tomorrow.
174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3734 times:
I hope we bomb them (whoever did this) soon , real soon. I hope they suffer. As for the people dancing in the streets, we should kill them too. Killem All. My post is anti-palestinian, but it should be. My cousion was hurt at the trade center, my dads friends died, Almost 300 emergency personnel -- 78 missing police officers and 200 firefighters -- are presumed dead along with the 266 people on four !!! I am a firefighter.
Those dancing people should die, along with the guilty palestinians
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 27 Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3732 times:
Your anger is misdirected. There is no proof whatsoever that Palestinians were behind this. So when you say your post is anti-palestinian and that it should be, that's pretty messed up. There is no need for it to be, you should be concentrating on other things instead of posting hate filled anti-palestinian messages.
Mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7428 posts, RR: 63 Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3729 times:
Tbar220, the post question was Is America Ready To Die For Israel? I answered appropriately but thanks for trying to correct me.
Realhigh -"Those of us who are in the United States don't hate the United States. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here."
Completely agreed as I am first generation American. But you really opened a can of worms for yourself. You are dealing with wounded Americans (maybe you are Palestine-American, who knows, not the point) and pouring salt on wounds. Maybe if you posted this a few days to weeks later, less anger and surprise at your words would erupt.
you are now dealing with a nation going through all those stress phases: Denial, Anger, acceptance, yada, yada...
and don;t blame US support on "Many Americans support Israel manily because of what the media feeds them" the same can be said of palestinians.
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174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3723 times:
Well I am still very very upset about the whole thing. My dad is driving down there now. How about talking to my dad about having his college buddies, the ones that we travel with on big trips, go fishing with, or go to a Yankee Game with, and clients? Wanna talk to him about the people cheering in the streets because some terrorists killed at lease a few thousand people? People I know, people I love?
Ok, try to back up those people. Go on. You know as well as I do that Palestinian people Hate americans. I am a fire fighter, I have some connections. I AM ON STAND-BY FOR THE RESCUE EFFORT IN NYC!
Ady From Panama, joined Nov 2000, 166 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3683 times:
Its not just Israel,
its everything the US represents to the whole world, liberty, economy, democracy, etc
And what really pissed me off is when I saw those Palestinians celebrating, lets face it as bad as it gets, the entire world would be alot better if Palestine was nothing more than a crater. That country has not only given us trouble, its given the UK and a whole lot of other nations shit for the longest of time.
If u ever feel depressed about urself, just remember that at one time you were the most vicious sperm in ur group.
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 22 Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3680 times:
RealHigh: Although I'd rather not mention it, as it doesn't really lead to anything constructive, I need to expose your hypocrisy with this post. Why do you suggest, with this post, that this is a result of the Arab-Israeli conflict? Since those who would commit such an act that are on the anti-Israeli and US side of the conflict are overwhelming part of Islamic fundamentalist groups, you are therefore insinuating someone related to them or they themselves orchestrated and carried out these atrocities.
I know that obviously nobody knows at this moment who commited these heinous crimes. And I am very dissapointed those who started the rumor that the DFLP carried this out. Only time and investigation will truly tell.
As to your other points, I will have to disagree with most. Israel and the United States have an enormous mutual relationship in their economies, military and political activities, and culturally/scientifically as well. I summarily agree with Tzvika on this point, as well as most others. Israel, for (very pertinent) example, leads the world in the science of rescuing victims of terrorism. One will note that whenever there is a major terrorist attack/other major disaster in the world, Israeli rescue teams are among the first and most active sent to the disaster site.