Jmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3162 posts, RR: 17 Posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1106 times:
This is very disturbing! The man wants a copy of a Bible on his own free will. If it were the other way around, there would be a huge outcry from the Muslim community, claiming injustice, intolerance, blah, blah, blah.....
Tmatt95 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 489 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1095 times:
Hi,
I really don't understand why he cant have a Bible. It is not as if all Bibles come with a map of the prison and other tools to help the inmates escape. This is stupid and I hope that the man wins the request to gain access to a Bible,
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1086 times:
Of course, if you give him a bible, the ACLU will be all over you like flies on shit, saying that you are attempting to convert him to Christianity and using torture to do so.
MD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2624 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1086 times:
Would a country fighting in "God's name" (as the president has mentioned) deny giving the "enemy" a Bible?
I guess we can't have a 100 year war if the enemy keeps convertin'.
MD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2624 posts, RR: 11 Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1072 times:
Okay....that was rather vague, sorry.
Correction: Would a country fighting "evildoers" deny a Bible to the enemy? Is that better?
Nancy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1030 times:
The ACLU supports individuals' rights to practice religion as they see fit.
"The ACLU of New Jersey has dedicated itself to protecting the right of individual religious expression, including recently helping to ensure that jurors are not removed from jury pools for wearing religious clothing and that prisoners are able to obtain religious literature," noted ACLU of New Jersey Legal Director Ed Barocas. " http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools...20tr%20table%20class%20text%20href
If any organization is likely to support a prisoner's right to access religious literature it is certainly the ACLU despite what certain loud-mouth fact-deficient radio pundits would have you believe.
We're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5705 posts, RR: 22 Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1012 times:
I find it incredulous that some people will attack the ACLU at the drop of a hat when it is, in fact, the only organization who will defend their right to do so.
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13874 posts, RR: 28 Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1012 times:
Quoting Jmc1975 (Thread starter): The man wants a copy of a Bible on his own free will. If it were the other way around, there would be a huge outcry from the Muslim community, claiming injustice, intolerance, blah, blah, blah.....
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Can you possibly explain why this report was nowhere in the media ?
Do you think that denying him a Bible is correct ?
Do you also believe that the Bible might "incite" him ?
AZ Central may be a good thing, but is unknown in the world. That the Los Angeles Times is a GOOD newspaper is clear, I in the past sometimes had a look into their internet-issue and realize that. But it is NOT widely read outside the USA. I am astonished however that it, at least apparently, did NOT come up in CNN, NYT etc, from where it would have been copied by "overseas media" rather swiftly. I may be in an error in so far, as it may have been in them, but doubt it. And I am quite sure that it was NOT reported on the other side of the Atlantic.
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True, the matter is neither a sensation, nor a disaster, nor outrageous, nor a scandal, but I think that the denial simply was WRONG .
B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 984 times:
Quoting Nancy (Reply 6): The ACLU supports individuals' rights to practice religion as they see fit.
Oh please. If one is a Christian or a Jew, the ACLU will be all over that person, especially if they want to pray in public, in school, or at work. They do no believe in religious freedom for Christians and Jews.
However, if the person however is a Muslim, then the ACLU will demand special accommodations for that person so they can pray toward the rock in Mecca however many times a day. If someone is one of the fringe "religions" like Wicca or whatever, then the ACLU will demand even more special treatment. After all, they sued a small town for opening their city council meetings with prayer and demanded it stop but at the same time sued another city because they wouldn't allowed a pagan to do the "prayer".
We're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5705 posts, RR: 22 Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 944 times:
In this country we protect the minorities. Get used to it.
Mdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4097 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 918 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2): Of course, if you give him a bible, the ACLU will be all over you like flies on shit, saying that you are attempting to convert him to Christianity and using torture to do so.
Quoting B757300 (Reply 12): Oh please. If one is a Christian or a Jew, the ACLU will be all over that person, especially if they want to pray in public, in school, or at work. They do no believe in religious freedom for Christians and Jews.
I love it when the ACLU critics come out in droves. Anyone remember an incident during the 80s in Skokie, IL? There was a neo-Nazi group that wanted to demonstrate there and was being denied by the city. Who ended up representing them in court? Yes, the ACLU. The irony was that the lawyer was Jewish. Personally, I would rather the ACLU didn't represent scum like neo-Nazis, but it goes to show you that the organization doesn't take preference and is not an anti-Christian, anti-Right Wing group.
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8358 posts, RR: 47 Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 905 times:
Quoting Aloges (Reply 14): Or are you just desperately trying to make a point?
So I guess that must be it.
Sometimes I wonder whether or not I should once more try and join some political discussions in this forum. But then I read the first five to ten replies in the thread and all I get to see is name-calling, bashing and smearing of opposite opinions. That's when I close the thread and think to myself "It's just not worth it." That's happened quite a few times in the past weeks and I can only hope it will change for the better again. Maybe, just maybe some people can get off their "the left/right is evil" trips and remain with their feet on the ground.
In this example, why does the second reply have to smear the ACLU for something they'd supposedly do, something which would fit the stereotypes one individual has? No opinion is presented, no personal take on the situation, no mention of anything in the article, no nothing - just a stir-the-pot attack on a political group of which one member thinks it opposes his personal ideals.
WHY?
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
Sometimes I wonder whether or not I should once more try and join some political discussions in this forum. But then I read the first five to ten replies in the thread and all I get to see is name-calling, bashing and smearing of opposite opinions. That's when I close the thread and think to myself "It's just not worth it." That's happened quite a few times in the past weeks and I can only hope it will change for the better again. Maybe, just maybe some people can get off their "the left/right is evil" trips and remain with their feet on the ground.
In this example, why does the second reply have to smear the ACLU for something they'd supposedly do, something which would fit the stereotypes one individual has? No opinion is presented, no personal take on the situation, no mention of anything in the article, no nothing - just a stir-the-pot attack on a political group of which one member thinks it opposes his personal ideals.
What point are YOU trying to make.
Quoting David b. (Reply 18): B757300 chimes in with his dumb-ass oppressed Christian comments as usual. Anyone surprised?
Nordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 844 times:
Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 18):
What point are YOU trying to make.
If you would stop huffing and puffing and get over the paranoia that around every corner is someone who is going to take away your religious freedom, all you need to do is read Aloges' words and you will know what point he is trying to make.
Jmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3162 posts, RR: 17 Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 834 times:
Quoting Nordair (Reply 20): If you would stop huffing and puffing and get over the paranoia that around every corner is someone who is going to take away your religious freedom, all you need to do is read Aloges' words and you will know what point he is trying to make.
Slider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6518 posts, RR: 37 Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 815 times:
Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 7): I find it incredulous that some people will attack the ACLU at the drop of a hat when it is, in fact, the only organization who will defend their right to do so.
Indeed. Kind of like their efforts to protect NAMBLA.
Slider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6518 posts, RR: 37 Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 805 times:
Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 23): So what all you people don't care when 100 copies of the Quran are denied to prisoners but its a high holy sin to deny 1 bible?
No prisoners have been denied Qurans...
25 DLKAPA: How many people have posted on a.net that they should? Now how many of those are posting in this thread
26 We're Nuts: Unfortunately NAMBLA has the right to say whatever it wants, much the same way you do. Remember America isn't easy. We're an all-inclusive resort, an
27 Tbar220: Well, all these people who are attacking the ACLU, they've had no proof or cases to back up the crap they're saying. Nancy provided a perfect example
28 Slider: Go back and dig up the old ACLU thread- I posted plenty of stuff within that, which wasn't ultimately responded to, I might add since the radicals wh
29 We're Nuts: Of course not, no more than the KKK has the right to lynch blacks or Pat Robertson has the right to assassinate foreign heads of state or supreme cou
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