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Bible Denied To Gitmo Prisoner  
User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3275 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

This is very disturbing! The man wants a copy of a Bible on his own free will. If it were the other way around, there would be a huge outcry from the Muslim community, claiming injustice, intolerance, blah, blah, blah.....

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1127gitmo-bible27.html


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User currently offlineTmatt95 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Hi,
I really don't understand why he cant have a Bible. It is not as if all Bibles come with a map of the prison and other tools to help the inmates escape. This is stupid and I hope that the man wins the request to gain access to a Bible,

Matt


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

Of course, if you give him a bible, the ACLU will be all over you like flies on shit, saying that you are attempting to convert him to Christianity and using torture to do so.

User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

Would a country fighting in "God's name" (as the president has mentioned) deny giving the "enemy" a Bible?

I guess we can't have a 100 year war if the enemy keeps convertin'.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 3):
Would a country fighting in "God's name" (as the president has mentioned)

You have a source for that? I have not heard it.


User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

Okay....that was rather vague, sorry.

Correction: Would a country fighting "evildoers" deny a Bible to the enemy? Is that better?


User currently offlineNancy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

The ACLU supports individuals' rights to practice religion as they see fit.


"The ACLU of New Jersey has dedicated itself to protecting the right of individual religious expression, including recently helping to ensure that jurors are not removed from jury pools for wearing religious clothing and that prisoners are able to obtain religious literature," noted ACLU of New Jersey Legal Director Ed Barocas. " http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools...20tr%20table%20class%20text%20href

If any organization is likely to support a prisoner's right to access religious literature it is certainly the ACLU despite what certain loud-mouth fact-deficient radio pundits would have you believe.


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

I find it incredulous that some people will attack the ACLU at the drop of a hat when it is, in fact, the only organization who will defend their right to do so.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Thread starter):
The man wants a copy of a Bible on his own free will. If it were the other way around, there would be a huge outcry from the Muslim community, claiming injustice, intolerance, blah, blah, blah.....

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Can you possibly explain why this report was nowhere in the media ?
Do you think that denying him a Bible is correct ?
Do you also believe that the Bible might "incite" him ?


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3275 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
Can you possibly explain why this report was nowhere in the media ?

Yes it was. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1127gitmo-bible27.html

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
Do you think that denying him a Bible is correct ?

Do you think that denying him a Quran is correct?

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
Do you also believe that the Bible might "incite" him ?

How so?



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1423 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 9):
Yes it was. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl....html

AZ Central may be a good thing, but is unknown in the world. That the Los Angeles Times is a GOOD newspaper is clear, I in the past sometimes had a look into their internet-issue and realize that. But it is NOT widely read outside the USA. I am astonished however that it, at least apparently, did NOT come up in CNN, NYT etc, from where it would have been copied by "overseas media" rather swiftly. I may be in an error in so far, as it may have been in them, but doubt it. And I am quite sure that it was NOT reported on the other side of the Atlantic.
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True, the matter is neither a sensation, nor a disaster, nor outrageous, nor a scandal, but I think that the denial simply was WRONG .


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 9):
Do you think that denying him a Bible is correct ?

Do you think that denying him a Quran is correct?

NO

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Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 9):
Do you also believe that the Bible might "incite" him ?

How so?

I have no idea. You have to ask the relevant authorities who apparently believe so (according to the report)


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

Quoting Nancy (Reply 6):
The ACLU supports individuals' rights to practice religion as they see fit.

Oh please. If one is a Christian or a Jew, the ACLU will be all over that person, especially if they want to pray in public, in school, or at work. They do no believe in religious freedom for Christians and Jews.

However, if the person however is a Muslim, then the ACLU will demand special accommodations for that person so they can pray toward the rock in Mecca however many times a day. If someone is one of the fringe "religions" like Wicca or whatever, then the ACLU will demand even more special treatment. After all, they sued a small town for opening their city council meetings with prayer and demanded it stop but at the same time sued another city because they wouldn't allowed a pagan to do the "prayer".



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User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Quoting Nancy (Reply 12):
The ACLU supports individuals' rights to practice religion as they see fit.

Then why can't we say "Merry Christmas" without being sued by them?


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

Quoting Solarix (Reply 13):
Then why can't we say "Merry Christmas" without being sued by them?

Please provide a report about that kind of lawsuit. Or are you just desperately trying to make a point?



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

In this country we protect the minorities. Get used to it.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):
Of course, if you give him a bible, the ACLU will be all over you like flies on shit, saying that you are attempting to convert him to Christianity and using torture to do so.



Quoting B757300 (Reply 12):
Oh please. If one is a Christian or a Jew, the ACLU will be all over that person, especially if they want to pray in public, in school, or at work. They do no believe in religious freedom for Christians and Jews.

I love it when the ACLU critics come out in droves. Anyone remember an incident during the 80s in Skokie, IL? There was a neo-Nazi group that wanted to demonstrate there and was being denied by the city. Who ended up representing them in court? Yes, the ACLU. The irony was that the lawyer was Jewish. Personally, I would rather the ACLU didn't represent scum like neo-Nazis, but it goes to show you that the organization doesn't take preference and is not an anti-Christian, anti-Right Wing group.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 14):
Or are you just desperately trying to make a point?

So I guess that must be it.

Sometimes I wonder whether or not I should once more try and join some political discussions in this forum. But then I read the first five to ten replies in the thread and all I get to see is name-calling, bashing and smearing of opposite opinions. That's when I close the thread and think to myself "It's just not worth it." That's happened quite a few times in the past weeks and I can only hope it will change for the better again. Maybe, just maybe some people can get off their "the left/right is evil" trips and remain with their feet on the ground.

In this example, why does the second reply have to smear the ACLU for something they'd supposedly do, something which would fit the stereotypes one individual has? No opinion is presented, no personal take on the situation, no mention of anything in the article, no nothing - just a stir-the-pot attack on a political group of which one member thinks it opposes his personal ideals.

WHY?



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3275 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 17):
So I guess that must be it.

Sometimes I wonder whether or not I should once more try and join some political discussions in this forum. But then I read the first five to ten replies in the thread and all I get to see is name-calling, bashing and smearing of opposite opinions. That's when I close the thread and think to myself "It's just not worth it." That's happened quite a few times in the past weeks and I can only hope it will change for the better again. Maybe, just maybe some people can get off their "the left/right is evil" trips and remain with their feet on the ground.

In this example, why does the second reply have to smear the ACLU for something they'd supposedly do, something which would fit the stereotypes one individual has? No opinion is presented, no personal take on the situation, no mention of anything in the article, no nothing - just a stir-the-pot attack on a political group of which one member thinks it opposes his personal ideals.

What point are YOU trying to make.

Quoting David b. (Reply 18):
B757300 chimes in with his dumb-ass oppressed Christian comments as usual. Anyone surprised?

'Nuff Christian bashing please!  talktothehand 



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 18):
What point are YOU trying to make.

that some people destroy any attempt at discussion with their knee-jerk polemics



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1271 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 18):

What point are YOU trying to make.

If you would stop huffing and puffing and get over the paranoia that around every corner is someone who is going to take away your religious freedom, all you need to do is read Aloges' words and you will know what point he is trying to make.


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3275 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1261 times:

Quoting Nordair (Reply 20):
If you would stop huffing and puffing and get over the paranoia that around every corner is someone who is going to take away your religious freedom, all you need to do is read Aloges' words and you will know what point he is trying to make.

Thanks. I should have thought of that!



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6812 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 7):
I find it incredulous that some people will attack the ACLU at the drop of a hat when it is, in fact, the only organization who will defend their right to do so.

Indeed. Kind of like their efforts to protect NAMBLA.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1236 times:

So what all you people don't care when 100 copies of the Quran are denied to prisoners but its a high holy sin to deny 1 bible?

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6812 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 23):
So what all you people don't care when 100 copies of the Quran are denied to prisoners but its a high holy sin to deny 1 bible?

No prisoners have been denied Qurans...


25 Post contains images DLKAPA : How many people have posted on a.net that they should? Now how many of those are posting in this thread
26 We're Nuts : Unfortunately NAMBLA has the right to say whatever it wants, much the same way you do. Remember America isn't easy. We're an all-inclusive resort, an
27 Tbar220 : Well, all these people who are attacking the ACLU, they've had no proof or cases to back up the crap they're saying. Nancy provided a perfect example
28 Slider : Go back and dig up the old ACLU thread- I posted plenty of stuff within that, which wasn't ultimately responded to, I might add since the radicals wh
29 We're Nuts : Of course not, no more than the KKK has the right to lynch blacks or Pat Robertson has the right to assassinate foreign heads of state or supreme cou
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