Thats the example i used...Better start calling it a "holiday candle holder"...after all, some Christians might be offended! Then again, i forgot, other religions are allowed these types of things but Christians aren't...well, according to the ACLU and many of todays far, far-left Liberals.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2450 times:
Ahhh, another excuse for people to attack the ACLU and liberals.
Pray tell, why in the world was this thread started? Were you confronted with a "holiday tree"? Did somebody try to sell you a "holiday bush"? Or were you just ranting to start a little orgy of ACLU bashing?
I like to call it "oppressed Christian syndrome".
Quoting MxCtrlr (Reply 4):
This country was founded on Christian principles and, its high time that people remembered that.
If you study the founding fathers, you will see that this is not true. Just look at the Declaration of Independence.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30175 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2437 times:
Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 11): If you study the founding fathers, you will see that this is not true. Just look at the Declaration of Independence.
Tbar....buddy....I hate to tell you this but your higlighted quote from the Dec of independence, in my reading reinforce that this country was founded by god-fearing men....which at that time mean christian faith.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
Joness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2436 times:
Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 11): Pray tell, why in the world was this thread started? Were you confronted with a "holiday tree"? Did somebody try to sell you a "holiday bush"? Or were you just ranting to start a little orgy of ACLU bashing?
I find this funny coming from you, who I assume goes to U of Illinois. Does Chief Illiniwek ring a bell?
Anyways, hundreds of thousands have been confronted with a holiday tree.
Search "boston" and "holiday tree"
Its not an excuse, its a valid reason.
I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem
What does that have to do with this? And if anything, I am opposed to the mascot of the Chief.
Quoting L-188 (Reply 12): Tbar....buddy....I hate to tell you this but your higlighted quote from the Dec of independence, in my reading reinforce that this country was founded by god-fearing men....which at that time mean christian faith.
Jafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2411 times:
Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 11): Pray tell, why in the world was this thread started?
As a result of the "Holiday Tree" thread, I wished to point out the irony of the fact that the non-religious alternative for Christmas tree is a word that has its roots in a Religious context.
Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 11): I like to call it "oppressed Christian syndrome".
Well listen here my good man, every other oppressed minority on this planet feels it has a right to whinge about it, why not the Christians of this world? After all, that's what all these threads are pointing out, people say "Don't celebrate Christmas, you might upset non-christians" but do they ever say "Don't celebrate non-christian religious festivals, you might upset the christians" no they don't and it is a crock of horse-shit that this is allowed to happen, if every other bugger on the planet can have a moan, then so can I!!
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 9087 posts, RR: 41
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2399 times:
Seriously, who came up with all that "political correctness" nonsense? It seems to exist nowhere but in English-speaking countries. I and probably any other German will call it a Christmas tree for as long as we please, and I have never heard of anyone taking offence.
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
Teva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1879 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2365 times:
The most funny in those 2 dicussions about Christmas , by good Christians, is that even if you call it Christmas tree, there is nothing Christian in this tradition.
No Xmas tree in Palestine.
In fact it goes back to the times of paganism in Europe....
Another funny thing is that you have Xmas tress in Dubai.... Business is business.....
(by the way and thanks to coca cola, isn't Xmas more business than religion? when TV ads for gifts start in October on the TV...)
Ecoute les orgues, Elles jouent pour toi...C'est le requiem pour un con
QANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2359 times:
Quoting Jafa39 (Thread starter): Re the holiday tree thread, one thing those PC assholes don't realise is that you can't call it a "Holiday tree" either.
Oh Jafa....I am surprised at you. "PC Assholes"? You've been overdosing on Bill O'Reilly's news round up.
God knows what you'll be spouting next: shonky builders? Solutions to backpain? stories about red tape involving local government? fat kids?
How about I save you some time by starting a thread about a Fat kid who built a shonky house before developing back-pain made worse by red tape involving local government who then cancelled Christmas. Then we can all sit around and be offended.
According to your lot (I thought you were a socialist....for shame, scab) - perhaps the end has already come?
This is not political correctness Jafa - it's political stupidity. You know that. Political correctness, like etiquette - is simply a social formula constructed to include all and to make the most amount of people as comfortable as possible. It is a campaign of inclusion - not exclusion. That goes for existing traditions as well. It relies on the assumption that people will use their common sense in its application and not go all crazy by banning Christmas and closing the Auckland stock exchange out of respect for the Ugandan national holiday.
: Totally agree old fruit! BTW, I may be a socialist by trade, a monarchist by default, and an anarchist by attitude but I just cannot stand rampant st
: Why don't they just refer to the damn tree as I do ..... kindling !
: It's not so much an adherance to the political colour that's the important thing, rather - it's all in the delivery. If it walks like a tory, and it