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Roy Moore: "Role Of Gov't Is To Recognize God"  
User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1428 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

Ok so candidate to next year governor position in Alabama was at the University of Alabama yesterday and had a few things to say, here is the link

http://www.cw.ua.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/12/01/438e974f19940

Here is a few memorable quotes from the article:

"Separation of church and state doesn't mean the separation of God from government,"

"Moore said that idea of separation is actually biblical, dating back to when God established priests from the Levi family and kings from the family of Judah in the Old Testament"

"During a question and answer session after Moore's lecture, he said losing his job as Alabama chief justice didn't help him because he lost retirement benefits and a position as one of the most highly paid chief justices in the country.

Many of the questions to Moore centered on whether acknowledging God establishes a religion, which would violate the establishment clause of the Constitution. Moore countered by quoting Founding Fathers and saying God is the foundation for the Constitution and law.

Someone asked why it was necessary for the government to acknowledge God. Moore said government has to recognize God to avoid eventual chaos and the killing of innocent people."


And you thought the actual his opponet in next years election who proposed to boycott Aruba and put "God Bless America" on license plates was bad......

Let the bashing begin


ROLL TIDE!!!
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User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

At first I mesread the thread title as Michael Moore. But then for him the title would have to be, "The role of government is to recognize my waistline"  Big grin

Seriously though, that's Alabama for you: the Vatican City of the Bible Belt.

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Thread starter):
And you thought the actual his opponet in next years election who proposed to boycott Aruba and put "God Bless America" on license plates was bad......

Governor Riley didn't make the license plate proposal. A state representative did that. Moore is behind Riley in the polls. It's too early to tell what will happen with the Dems with Siegelman under indictment, but Lt. Gov. Lucy Baxley is very popular. In other words, Moore has an uphill battle.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

This Roy Moore guy is comic relief!  Smile
It would be great if he won the GOP nomination though.
If he were to win the governorship, he would join the ranks of other imbeciles that were Alabama governors such as George Wallace, Lurline Wallace and Fob James.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21678 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

I think that the role of God should be to keep Roy Moore out of government.  silly 

-Mir



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User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2469 times:

IMO, Keep religion at home and at church. Dont display it anywhere else.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2467 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
I think that the role of God should be to keep Roy Moore out of government.

LOL!  rotfl 



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User currently onlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2463 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Thread starter):
"Separation of church and state doesn't mean the separation of God from government,"

"Moore said that idea of separation is actually biblical, dating back to when God established priests from the Levi family and kings from the family of Judah in the Old Testament"



Quoting Venezuela747 (Thread starter):
Someone asked why it was necessary for the government to acknowledge God. Moore said government has to recognize God to avoid eventual chaos and the killing of innocent people."

And what's wrong with any of that? Godless, atheistic governments killed 170 MILLION people in the 20th Century. A new term was even coined for death-by-government: demicide.

If you think that this is bashable, then I am forced to conclude that you're ignorant about the reality of the situation. Merely acknowleding God, instead of trying to pretend that He doesn't exist, does not lead to theocracy. Dictators and tyrants of the past few millenia have amply demonstrated that when a ruler or body of rulers feels that there is no higher power that they are accountable to, then typically the looting begins and the bloodbath probably isn't far off.

[Edited 2005-12-01 19:06:48]

User currently onlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2455 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 5):
IMO, Keep religion at home and at church. Dont display it anywhere else.

Even Methodists are called to spread the Word unto all the world.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2446 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 8):
Even Methodists are called to spread the Word unto all the world.

What if the voicemail get the call first?



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User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2441 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
What if the voicemail get the call first?

Dunno. Does God leave a callback number? Big grin

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2435 times:

Ctbarnes:
Don’t you be blastfemin’ up in here!  mad 
The good lord is gonna strike you down!



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2433 times:

Mr. Moore, one question: wasn't it Jesus who said "Give unto Caeser what is Caeser's; give unto God, what is God."?

I can take that as meaning that The Church, or in this reagrd, organized religion, is there to run goverment, nor visa-versa.

This guy is certifiable.


User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2423 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Ctbarnes:
Don’t you be blastfemin’ up in here!
The good lord is gonna strike you down!

LOL. I think it's confession time.  Wink

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineKiwiNanday From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2421 times:

MD-90. I'm an athiest. Are you saying that if I get into a position of Government, I'll start slaughtering people?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

I interpret this as saying that no laws passed by the government can be based on religious teachings, or beliefs. Now, if they thought this up 229 years ago, why is there a sudden need to change it?


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2421 times:

Ctbarnes:
According to Moore and liked minded folks, Catholics haven't seen the light and are going to burn in hell with all the other sinners and secular humanist.  Smile



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2420 times:

Quoting KiwiNanday (Reply 14):
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Kiwinandy, you should have put in bold the second part of that sentence, because it's just as important as the first, and is the part that those who try to keep even the word "God" out of everything conveniently forget when pressing their arguements.


User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2414 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Ctbarnes:
According to Moore and liked minded folks, Catholics haven't seen the light and are going to burn in hell with all the other sinners and secular humanist.

It's always been like that... Rowan Atkinson in the Britcom Blackadder once said, "Bad weather is God's way of telling us to burn more Catholics."  Big grin

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2402 times:

Ctbarnes, sorry that one went over my head.  Sad


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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2384 times:

And in other news, former Albama Chief Justice and upcoming gubernatorial candidate Roy Moore has begun circulating a petition to rename the state to 'Talibama'.


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User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Quoting MattRB (Reply 19):
'Talibama'.

 rotfl 



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User currently onlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Quoting KiwiNanday (Reply 14):
MD-90. I'm an athiest. Are you saying that if I get into a position of Government, I'll start slaughtering people?

Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot didn't have religious faith in one of the world's great religions. For that matter, neither did Lincoln. And yes, all of them had people slaughtered.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

KiwiNanday and MD-90:
Why are you two associating Athiesm and slaughtering?
There are many leaders that killed that were a part of "one of the world's great religions".



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5404 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 21):
Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot didn't have religious faith in one of the world's great religions. For that matter, neither did Lincoln. And yes, all of them had people slaughtered.

And Louis XIV, Richard I, Philip II, Mary I, Edward I, Urban II, Innocent III, Ivan IV, Vlad III, and just about every other European monarch all had people "slaughtered" as well. All had religious faith in one of the world's great religions.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 7):
instead of trying to pretend that He doesn't exist

"He" doesn't exist in the minds of many people. Additionally, the United States government is set up as specifically atheistic. The government cannot stop you from being religious, but it cannot force me to be either.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 23):
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 21):
Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot didn't have religious faith in one of the world's great religions. For that matter, neither did Lincoln. And yes, all of them had people slaughtered.

And Louis XIV, Richard I, Philip II, Mary I, Edward I, Urban II, Innocent III, Ivan IV, Vlad III, and just about every other European monarch all had people "slaughtered" as well. All had religious faith in one of the world's great religions.

Well, yeah, I guess it was absolutely horrible that Lincoln declared war on a part of the United States that was in rebellion from the Union AND supported the enslavement of a whole racial group   

BTW, I think the Crusades are a good example fo what happens when people do things in the name of religion

[Edited 2005-12-01 23:58:43]


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25 Garnetpalmetto : I think you meant to quote MD-90 and not me on that part, Ali.
26 Superfly : Good observation. Now MD-90, I'd hate to give you a heart attack at such a young age but what if God is a female?
27 Ilikeyyc : As a Christian, myself, I have to say that this guy is over the top. I don't want to see him in office. Personally, I am thankful that there is the se
28 SFOMEX : Do you mean that even conservative Catholics like myself are going straight to hell??? Damn it, we will have to share space with those godless libera
29 We're Nuts : Let's all try to remember the basic scientific and religious premise that correlation does not prove causation.
30 MD-90 : God really isn't a He or a She, but He is referred to in the Bible as being the Father and Lord, and that's good enough for me. And the North support
31 N1120A : The Emancipation Proclamation damn sure freed them. Additionally, Lincoln's backers like the great Sumner passed the 13th Amendment. In case you are
32 Post contains images Mir : Hey, relax. We know how to have a good time. -Mir
33 Post contains images Superfly : They don't care even if you are a conservative Catholic. You are still a Catholic, thus a sinner just like all those other Hedonist.
34 Ctbarnes : Sorry 'bout that. Blackadder was a British sitcom in the 80's about a man who lived at various time thorughout british history. This quoe (the funnie
35 Superfly : Ctbarnes: Sorry but Benny Hill was the only British sitcom I watched.
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