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Don't Write Large Check While Black At Wal-Mart  
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6642 times:

Else local law enforcement will show up.

Okay, here is what I see: Guy presents check for $13,600 for 500+ gift cards as employee gifts. Guy also presents his DL, business card, and toll-free numbers to the bank. Local sheriff’s deputies showed up on Wal-Mart’s account the check writer had committed a felony.

What do you say? Guy pulled the race card? Wal-Mart trying to protect their assets? The individuals at this particular Wal-Mart bad?

Story from Orlando TV station

Comments and flame away!

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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6612 times:
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Nice way to treat a customer spending that kind of money, good for them taking their business elsewhere.


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User currently offlineXpat From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6591 times:

That is f***ed up! I'm glad he and his company have taken their business elsewhere. Wal-Mart's really stirring up sh*t lately.


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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3303 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

Quote:
After the incident, Pitts' company decided to buy its gift cards from Target instead.

Oh, the humanity!  Big grin

But in all seriousness, I feel he has every right to believe it was race-motivated. Unless there was a legitimate and provable reason for the suspicion (driver license fake/unverifiable, funds insufficient/unverifiable), I believe that Wal-Mart acted in a completely inappropriate and unprofessional manner. If they want to save face in this whole mess, they'd better come up with a good reason, fast.



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6578 times:

Just goes to show you. Nothing in this world has changed.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6571 times:

What's a Wal-Mart?  snooty 

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6571 times:

I'm astounded that they called the cops. Unless they tried to verify the check over the phone prior to delivering the cards, they had zero reason for doing this.

The most they should have done was tell the guy that they had to verify this check prior to delivering the merchandise, either with his business or bank....which would have been good business, and evidently what they did. I can't imagine why else they would assume he was forging a check.

This was incredible, and if I were this dude I'd have to wonder if it was racially motivated as well.

I hope Wal-Mart, which has a history of denying and defending no matter what the charge, handles this with special attention.

Unless there's something we aren't hearing then this sure looks like a duck. Damn if it ain't quacking. I hope someone gets canned and sued unless there's more to the story.

I'm buying my guys cards at Home Depot......I think I'll switch it to WalMart and send a black guy to pick them up with a company check....we could use the extra dough.



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User currently offlineNancy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6539 times:

Good for Target! Seriously Walmart sucks. The police might want to get involved (again) because the someone filed a false report. If they were worried about fraud, they could simply institute a policy that all checks over a certain amount have to be cashiers checks, or done by P.O. from the business. The amount of blatant racism in the country continues to amaze me, and what amazes me even more is that even after hearing these stories people still talk about "reverse racism" and how they're persecuted because they are white.

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6521 times:

There is reverse racism, and there is institutionalized racism that accords special favors to minorities because of their skin color or sex.

I do agree that someone should be charged with false reporting, unless there's something we aren't hearing, and the incredible circumstances of this incident, as reported, are just sickening.

That said, let's not condone any racism.....directed at any side.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6508 times:

Quote:
Later, two Hillsborough County sheriff's deputies appeared. One grabbed Pitts by the arm. He objected to the rough handling and asked if he was being arrested.

"We need to talk with you about this forged check that you brought in here," Pitts recalled one deputy saying. The deputy said later Wal-Mart had called and reported that Pitts had committed a felony.

You know what, not only should Pitts and his company lodge a complaint against WalMart, they should lodge a complaint against the police officers for their handling of the matter. "We need to talk with you about this forged check that you brough in here" is a presumption of guilt. The US justice system works on a presumption of innocence. At the very least, they should be reprimanded and counciled on how you deal with situations like this. The officer who grabbed his arm should also be warned that what he did was criminal and civil assult.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
There is reverse racism, and there is institutionalized racism that accords special favors to minorities because of their skin color or sex.

So a black man is apparently discriminated against, and the FIRST thing you have to say is that white people are also discriminated against? Right...


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
At the very least, they should be reprimanded and counciled on how you deal with situations like this. The officer who grabbed his arm should also be warned that what he did was criminal and civil assult.

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I have witnessed similar activity by "merchants" in Alaska directed toward Native Alaskans, specifically my g/f - who is Koyukon Athapaskan. Not anything overt - but definitely a standoffish ignoring stare. Not everywhere to be sure, but a few places I could name . . .

. . . .

Never a problem with the law enforcement community here in that regard - or none of which I am aware . . . and I know a lot of cops up here . . .


User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6484 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
But in all seriousness, I feel he has every right to believe it was race-motivated. Unless there was a legitimate and provable reason for the suspicion (driver license fake/unverifiable, funds insufficient/unverifiable), I believe that Wal-Mart acted in a completely inappropriate and unprofessional manner. If they want to save face in this whole mess, they'd better come up with a good reason, fast.

If that Wal-Mart was anything like the ones around here, the cashier processing the gift cards probably couldn't speak fluent english and probably was not white herself.

Anybody writing a check that large at a Wal-Mart is crazy. It is no wonder they were suspicious, white, black, or yellow. BUT, it is not Wal-Mart's grounds to decide who's check gets cleared, and who's does not. They have electronic check systems (like Telecheck) to process these sorts of things. If the cashier checked information like she was supposed to with every check, and the check cleared, the customer should have been on his way. End of story.

Once the check verification puts it through, I believe the funds are guaranteed by whoever gave the electronic authorization. Similar to your check card. Bottom line. Wal-Mart sucks.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

Truely incredible.

As mentioned before, they could've just verified it for sufficient funds -- no big deal. But calling the police?

Idiots.

Quoting Nancy (Reply 7):
what amazes me even more is that even after hearing these stories people still talk about "reverse racism" and how they're persecuted because they are white.

And your statement alone is evening more amazing.........reverse racism does exist, and in many ways and magnitudes that you don't seem to realize.




-NWA742


User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

I believe Wal Mart has a policy not allowing two employees to be in a relationship. This rule was removed in the Wal Marts in Germany because the employees took Wal Mart to court and Wal Mart lost.
Pathetic rule in my opinion.

Good to see that the man won't be shopping at Wal Mart in future.
Dominic



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6417 times:

Who called the police? Just the "associate" who was working the Customer Service booth? Because I would think that the "associate" would call the manager, who would probably remember selling tens of thousands of dollars of gift cards to that corporation. I don't doubt it's true, it just seems odd that the manager didn't intervene.

AAndrew


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6405 times:

Wow, total profiling here. By Wal Mart and the police. Wal Mart has egg on their faces for this one. Very bad.

User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6397 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 13):
And your statement alone is evening more amazing.........reverse racism does exist, and in many ways and magnitudes that you don't seem to realize.

I love how some black people can call white people crackers and whities and whatnot, but you say the n-word, well your fu**ed then. I know it can get worse than that in some situations, but im speaking from a first hand account.



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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 19):
but you say the n-word, well your fu**ed then.



Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 19):
but im speaking from a first hand account.

So you have called a black person a n***er first hand?


User currently offlineIlikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6361 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 17):
Who called the police? Just the "associate" who was working the Customer Service booth? Because I would think that the "associate" would call the manager, who would probably remember selling tens of thousands of dollars of gift cards to that corporation. I don't doubt it's true, it just seems odd that the manager didn't intervene.

The article states that the store managers stalled him for nearly two hours. Secondly, considering that it is a company check, it is very likely that his name was not the name on the check (i.e. he is not the one who signed it) which is where some of the confusion might have originated with an "associate.".

Quote:
Pitts said that when he went to the store last week to pick up the already printed cards, store managers stalled for about two hours after he handed over the check while he stood waiting by the customer service desk.



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User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3072 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6336 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 6):
The most they should have done was tell the guy that they had to verify this check prior to delivering the merchandise, either with his business or bank....which would have been good business, and evidently what they did. I can't imagine why else they would assume he was forging a check.

Agreed.As an example.
When we do a commercial account,which buy in high quantity ,and a check
is written,we'll put the transaction on hold until the check has cleared the bank.Usaully seven to ten business banking days.Or if a bank will do it.Go
to the bank and get the check(funds) transferred right there.But sometimes it's a headache.


As far as the race card issue.I doubt it.It sounds like the employee was
not trained properly.It is an overkill.And Wal-Mart needs do a fellow up.

But let's face it,too.The race card is used in a excessive manner, as well.
When your retail,your exposed to lot phonies out there, who want to trip
you up and take you to court.



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User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 20):
So you have called a black person a n***er first hand?

Damn right I did, after I got called a cracker, honkey, and a white ass.


Dan



A guy asks 'What's Punk?'. I kick over a trash can and its punk. He knocks over a trash can and its trendy.
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6193 times:

The treatment of this black man in the calling in the cops by Wal-Mart where there was significant ID and proof apparently looks like racism at first glance. In a situation where a person or business is purchasing such a volume of cards and total dollar amount, the business should have called to make prior arrangements and as to the form of check that would be accepted. I am quite sure that Wal-Mart must have procedures about accepting checks over a certain amount (like $1000+). One problem with using Verisign is that here Wal-Mart has to pay a fee (2-3%?) and that cuts into their profits. There is also the frequent acts of someone who is stealing money and checks from businesses and using the checks to purchase something they can convert or resell. Still, it's another boo-boo for Wal-Mart.

User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

All I will say is that the account as given in the news report looks very bad for Wal-Mart. It may be significant that company representatives have apologized to the aggrieved customer. On the other hand, I'm also cautious about jumping to conclusions when we don't know the full story. You'll note from the news report that while Wal-Mart issued an apology, the spokesperson said only that the company is investigating, in other words it hasn't told its side of the story. All we've heard is the customer's own, self-serving account.


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6136 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 10):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
There is reverse racism, and there is institutionalized racism that accords special favors to minorities because of their skin color or sex.

So a black man is apparently discriminated against, and the FIRST thing you have to say is that white people are also discriminated against? Right...

Try reading all the posts prior to this and see if that was my first response....numbnuts.



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25 Santosdumont : Honestly, Dan, do you think that terms like "honky," "cracker," or "whitey" have the semantic firepower of "nigger," "jigaboo," "mulignan" and other
26 Dan2002 : If the "n-word" is so dehumanizing, why do I always hear it frequently among the black community at my school? To add to that, they are always so qui
27 Psa53 : Good point.We get a lot of the same around here to.Sounds like to me, the people who calling on others to be politically correct,don't won't to be po
28 PROSA : I have to disagree. Terms of ethnic abuse are unacceptable regardless of the identities of the parties involved. "Good" abuse and "bad" abuse are poi
29 Airlinelover : Anyone trying to complain about people tarnishing wal-mart's reputation should remember this.. You can't tarnish a rusted blade.. This just goes to sh
30 B707321C : Isn't writing check kind of old fashion anyhow. Why not use Debit or credit cards. Several countries have scraped the use of chech several years ago.
31 Santosdumont : A valid question. Why don't you ask some members of that community and see what they say? That reminds me of an excerpt from Public Enemy's "Welcome
32 Dan2002 : I really dont feel like getting shot or jumped anytime soon. Dan
33 Santosdumont : If the racial gulf is as bad as your post suggests, then we're in more trouble than I thought...
34 Luv2fly : Think about it, if you were the retailer here! Buying gift cards with a check, gift cards that could be turned in and used ASAP, before the check cle
35 Scamp : I'm curious...should one therefore wait to change colors before writing the aformentioned check?
36 Scamp : I'm curious...should one therefore wait to change colors before writing the aforementioned check?
37 MD80fanatic : Those gift cards must be activated first....so delay activation until the check clears. This would be much better than publically embarassing a custom
38 Dan2002 : Welcome to paradise, errr... Cleveland, Ohio.
39 Redngold : I'd be suspicious if ANYONE brought in a personal check for that amount... However, this was a business check, and the store manager spoke to the comp
40 GuitrThree : First off, this is NOT a defense of Wal*Mart, but rather retail in general. That being said, while Wal*Mart should not have called the cops, they shou
41 David b. : I really dont feel like getting shot or jumped anytime soon LOL! WHy don't you ask them? To scare they might jump your white ass? If you don't ask you
42 Airlinelover : I wondere the same thing, and asked a friend of mine who is black. He explained that in the slave days, the slave owners called the black people n***
43 Airlinelover : But, as someone who has also been in front end retail management, if you get an auth code from the check verification company, you get the $$ even if
44 GuitrThree : Wrong. NO YOU DON'T. These check verification systems DO NOT guarantee you payment in any way. I can promise you that, or my P&L statements would not
45 Usnseallt82 : Who knows. Its honestly too difficult to know for sure, but if race had something to do with it then I hope those employees responsible get the shit
46 APFPilot1985 : Way to skip over everything of substance that was mentioned in my post, it seems that being illiterate doesnt stop you from being a manager
47 LHMARK : Let's just rename this thread "Motherf*ck other A.netters," because that's all it is. Why's everyone so pissed off?
48 BigOrange : Couldn't agree more. Maybe the powers that be should just close down the non-aviation forum for a while to clear out some of the hostility in this fo
49 MaverickM11 : Race aside, does anyone believe that the average Walmart customer has that kind of spending money?
50 N1120A : If they are a big business stocking up on supplies, or in this case getting gifts for employees, yes they do. Additionally, in communities where WalM
51 Airlinelover : In that case I stand corrected.. That's what MY bosses told me about it.. so I guess I just had been given incorrect information/ Oh please. how many
52 Captaink : I do agree. I am black and I am really annoyed at how very intense the racial tension is today. Granted I am from the caribbean and we don't seem to
53 Post contains links Psa53 : Update to this story: Walmart fires manager of the Florida store concerning the big check. http://kevxml2adsl.verizon.net/_1_2E...cat=usnews&passqi=&t
54 N1120A : So you get roughed up by the police for not calling ahead with a big check? Good
55 Post contains images FlyingTexan : 12/13/2005 15:40:59 EST Fla. Wal-Mart Axes Manager Over Bias Issue By MITCH STACY Associated Press Writer TAMPA, Fla. - A Wal-Mart manager who called
56 Post contains links KaiGywer : For a good article, read: It is probably the ugliest racial slur ever created. It is a word known primarily as a means to denigrate African Americans.
57 TPAnx : Employees at that WalMart will also get sensitivity training, which the company says had been scheduled earlier. TPAnx
58 MD11Engineer : And what about thne deputy sheriff, who manhandled the suspect and charged him right away for using forged cheques without knowing the details? I have
59 Usnseallt82 : I've been reading this for some time now and haven't seen anyone post anything worth reading again. You really think this was racial profiling? Here'
60 DLKAPA : Mommy we have a new toilet! YAY!
61 UN_B732 : This seems to really be an issue with the local store -- regional officials aplogize, but the local store is silent. -Mr. X
62 KaiGywer : Obviously not...
63 CasInterest : Ok I gotta ask for someone who has read the thread? Did you read the *^&%&% article? This was cleared before hand, the guy was going to pick them up
64 Mika : Racism is racism, regardless of in which direction it is used. And somehow these three words carry the same historic magnitude and humiliation to you
65 Iowaman : Jee, wouldn't you be suspicious, regardless of race, if someone wanted to buy over 500 gift cards with a check? Anyone could say they are for there to
66 N1120A : You don't call the police on the matter. Further, as the police officer, you don't presume the guy guilty and rough him up That is a sickening commen
67 Logan22L : Hey kid: I'm white and I lived in Roxbury, Massachusetts, a neighborhood of Boston, for nearly a year not so long ago. My neighborhood was probably a
68 LHMARK : Jeez. MD-90 has a cousin in Iowa.
69 MD-90 : I'm from Connecticut, and I was under the impression that there wasn't a place in CT or Mass that had such a racial proportionality. Maybe Boston, bu
70 N1120A : Ever go to Bridgeport?
71 DETA737 : I don't know where this is coming from I grew in CT and there are plenty of non-white areas. Just go to the cities or even suburbs like Bloomfield. A
72 MD-90 : East Windsor - White Non-Hispanic (90.4%) Where my father lives and where his parents lived all of their lives. Broad Brook - White Non-Hispanic (90.7
73 MD-90 : Yes. We went to the zoo there.[Edited 2005-12-19 03:37:21]
74 Iowaman : No it's not, it's the truth. Ever notice all basically all the ghettos are black? Not true. 50% is not a "African American" neighborhood in my books,
75 N1120A : Are you blind or just really racist? I have a few people for you to talk to then.
76 Iowaman : Please, tell me one ghetto that the majority isn't black. OK, I'd be happy to.
77 N1120A : Riverside, Boyle Heights, Revere, La Colonia/Oxnard...
78 Gigneil : Visit Alabama, South Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi, or a variety of other states. Plenty of white trash ghettos there. N
79 Usnseallt82 : The only thing I agree with is the fact that they shouldn't have called the police. But I know that presenting a check for that amount would have tur
80 N1120A : He did, that's the point. And the police acted completely out of line as well.
81 Usnseallt82 : That's my point. The police and the store clerk all acted out of line, regardless of the man's color. This would have been a shame for any person.
82 Flyboy36y : Thank you once again for reafirming my belief that anytime someone says "ever notice" they are about to say something blatantly innapropriate and fac
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