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Why Doesn't The US Army Acknowledge Delta Force?  
User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

Here's a question for you soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines out there. (Particularly for the soldiers I guess.)

Why does the US Army still deny the exist of Delta Force?

Delta has been in the open press and the subject of mass media for years. There have been countless books, movies, video games, etc. that have either focused on Delta, or made reference to them. Their general capabilities are not secret (though their specific ones may be). So the question remains, why does the Army continue to deny the existence of Delta when virtually everyone in the world knows they exist? I'm not advocating that the Army open up everything on Delta's operational history or anything of the sort. But why not take them from a 'black' unit to a 'gray' unit? Basically shroud their activities in secret, but at least acknowledge that they exist?

Can anyone provide some insight? Any input from former soldiers, especially DL021 and ANCFlyer would be very much appreciated.

Ho ahh!
Steve

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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4401 times:
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The Army attitude toward Delta is "it's none of your goddamned business". The less attention they get the happier they are, but since it's so freaking cool to many it is common knowledge that it exists.

The Army no longer spends any effort denying the existence of SOD-D, but they don't really advertise it much.

They never really have hidden the thing though, they even recruit for it once a year throughout the military, both active and reserve, and they have an innocuous looking headquarters on one of our major posts here in the US.....you can guess where it is.

Since the special operations community has become it's own Command they tacitly acknowledge that there are counter-terrorism teams, and it's fairly well known that the current COSoA is a former commander in Delta.

Come to think of it I think it has been commented upon by DOD spokesmen but there is not much official information about Delta, nor do I suspect will there be.

I can tell you that they are all badasses and they like to bike for PT sometimes. Other than that you can read Charlie Beckwiths book about starting it up. Oh, yeah...read Eric Haney's book about that, too. Good stuff and straight poop.

[Edited 2005-12-06 01:22:12]


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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

DL021 hit it right on. The Army takes the stance that when it comes to special force units - as little attention paid to them all the better.

At the beginning, Delta's existance was denied out of security reasons. Now, I think part of the reason they don't officially acknowledge its existance helps their 'badass' image. - That and the Army wants to protect the identities of Delta force operators.

-UH60


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
The Army attitude toward Delta is "it's none of your goddamned business". The less attention they get the happier they are

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Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
The Army no longer spends any effort denying the existence of SOD-D, but they don't really advertise it much.

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Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
you can guess where it is.

It ain't nuthin to BRAGG about.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
I can tell you that they are all badasses

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Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
read Charlie Beckwiths book about starting it up. Oh, yeah...read Eric Haney's book about that, too. Good stuff and straight poop.

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Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
they even recruit for it once a year throughout the military

Saw them only once - in 1985 at Ft. Knox. After the civilian looking gent finished a somewhat detailed overview of the first YEAR it would take to even qualify for their most basic position, I decided it wasn't the right thing for my career progression path.*

Man, replying in this thread was easy  bigthumbsup  wink 









*Plus I'm enjoyed my tank a lot.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

"There have been countless books, movies, video games, etc. that have either focused on Delta,"

Right, I've seen the movie...  Wink




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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
It ain't nuthin to BRAGG about.

*ba da dum pshhhh*
*applause applause*

ANC, you're just so punny Big grin



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4341 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
you can guess where it is.

It ain't nuthin to BRAGG about.

Hey...watch that OPSEC Smaj....I'd hate to report a SAEDA incident on yer ass!  Wink

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
they even recruit for it once a year throughout the military

Saw them only once - in 1985 at Ft. Knox. After the civilian looking gent finished a somewhat detailed overview of the first YEAR it would take to even qualify for their most basic position, I decided it wasn't the right thing for my career progression path.*

I spoke to the dude who told me that after my first hitch I'd be eligible, and I was pretty fired up about it until I realized I wasn't going to reup. Until the war came up. And then I got married....and then I came up with more excuses.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Man, replying in this thread was easy

Well, to be fair, genius has already visited here and all you had to do was  checkmark  thumbsup 
and issue  praise ....  Wink



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
So the question remains, why does the Army continue to deny the existence of Delta when virtually everyone in the world knows they exist?

Where are you getting this 'denial' from. Just watch History Channel. They have had several very good shows on Delta, with the military's backing. Shoot, just watch the extra on BlackHawk Down. The film crew got to train with real Delta troops to learn some basic techiques. That sounds pretty open to me....



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
Where are you getting this 'denial' from. Just watch History Channel. They have had several very good shows on Delta, with the military's backing. Shoot, just watch the extra on BlackHawk Down. The film crew got to train with real Delta troops to learn some basic techiques. That sounds pretty open to me....

That's exactly my point.  Yeah sure It is in the open media, but when asked directly such as in a press conference, they will not come out and even acknowledge their existence.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4288 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
Shoot, just watch the extra on BlackHawk Down. The film crew got to train with real Delta troops to learn some basic techiques

Actually the military cooperated by taking their TF160 birds to Morocco for filming, and provided military advisors from the special operations community. They did not necessarily confirm where the troops were assigned, other than JSOC. The Delta guys who reportedly helped out with training were probably not active operators, but there are rumors....



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
It ain't nuthin to BRAGG about.

You're right.........not a damn thing to brag about.  Big grin



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

Ditto Charlie Beckwith's book...it rocks. totally straight read, and just amazing.

Delta's original creation was taken from the British SAS, and Beckwith insisted from the very beginning that it had to be a completely autonomous unit, free from the crap other units had to deal with. It's miraculous that it even got off the ground, really.

I had the honor to meet Beckwith before he died- he lived in Austin after his retirement. I still want someone to do a movie about his life.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4251 times:
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Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 10):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
It ain't nuthin to BRAGG about.

You're right.........not a damn thing to brag about.

at ease there swabbie........shouldn't you be prepping for your turn in the pickle barrel?



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 11):
Delta's original creation was taken from the British SAS

And the British refuse to discuss or acknowledge SAS and SBS operations (except when it's bleeding obvious, like storming an embassy) in the same way.



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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

The less information available on the open market on Delta, the less information any prospective enemy combatants would have on them and the less possibility of a mission being compromised because of it. THAT's why the Army doesn't make Delta an open book.

MxCtrlr  bouncy 



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Quoting MxCtrlr (Reply 14):



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! Sad

Welcome to the  grumpy   old  gits club - membership will be confirmed by GKirk . . . when he's back from ban . . . ermmmm. . . . vacation.  wink 


User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15):
Welcome to the gits club - membership will be confirmed by GKirk . . . when he's back from ban . . . ermmmm. . . . vacation.

Well thanks but no thanks. I may be getting older but I sure as hell ain't growing up and I plan to go screaming and kicking away from anyone who tries to make me!

I agree with Jimmy Buffet:

I'm growing older but not up,
My metabolic rate is pleasantly stuck,
Let the waves of time wash over my head,
I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead.


MxCtrlr  bouncy 



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
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