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Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?  
User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Now that the U.S. has declared war, I wonder who will step up to be on our side?


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User currently offlineBombstar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

All NATO nations, as well as maybe Russia, China has also offered military support.

User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Interesting question. Colin Powell just aluded to the answer -- those nations that are on our side will be asked to belly up to the bar in the next few days. If they don't, we know where they stand.

The tragedy that occured this week leaves no ambiguity -- it was so horrendous, barabaric and inhuman that any nation who fails to offer support for helping eradicate terrorism can be considered, unambiguously, a true enemy of the US and its allies.

Pete


User currently offlineMrman_3k From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

And to add to what Delta-flyer said, it would sure suck for them with all that firepower against them, the only one we have to worry about would be China, otherwise I think all the other big and powerful are on our side.

User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4781 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

China will be onside...they are Pakistan's greatest backers.

User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

Here is where Colin Powell will either shine or fade away. I hope it's the former, I know he has the brains to pull it off.

I think China will be with us. Their rapidly rising economy is intricately tied to the Western world, not the Third World. Pakistan will be on board, too, even, optimistically, Afganistan.

Pete


User currently offline5280AGL From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

In light of such a tragedy, becoming allies with China would be spectacular. Just one week ago, many considered China to be the #1 adversary to America. It is amazing how quickly things can change.

User currently offlineHardlanding From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

The NATO members, and possibly Russia, China, and Pakistan.

User currently offlineMilldoh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

right now, i can't see any major nations that will not back the us. but earlier today, i saw a former general say that this could be an 8-10 year war on terrorism. if, indeed the war carries on this long, i have a feeling that some of our current allies will drop their military and economic support.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

5280AGL: In light of such a tragedy, becoming allies with China would be spectacular. Just one week ago, many considered China to be the #1 adversary to America. It is amazing how quickly things can change.

Don´t kid yourself: Very many alliances are unstable; Stalin sided with Hitler before he switched to the side of the western allies. And after that, back out and on with China...


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

The more people in the alliance the better as it means here is more pressure on the US not to act irrationally. I am shocked by the number of people who think heavy military strikes are the answer - if you want to create 10,000 Bin Ladens then go right ahead, but if you choose to listen to your allies and act responsibly and JUSTLY then please lets have more allies.

I only hope some Muslim countries join the alliance, to add a bit of perspective. It is disgusting to hear people saying Iran (as an example) is a suspect - any modern visitor to Iran will see it as the most progressive country in the refion.



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User currently offlineHardlanding From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

Didn't the news just say that Iran would possibly aid the U.S. with military support?

User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Very probable - the Iranians DESPISE the Taleban who have murdered Iranian diplomats and are flooding Iran with heroin. In fact, the UN had to exert pressure on Iran to not invade Afghanistan last year as they were getting so p*ssed with the Taleban. Iran would attack Afghanistan tomorrow if given the chance!


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User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

All NATO nations now that article 5 of NATO was voted. The same article that USA was opposing for when the Turks hit Cyprus. Strange, huh?


User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

Just one week ago, many considered China to be the #1 adversary to America.

I think it would be more accurate to say that China is a competitor rather than an adversary.

Pete


User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

All NATO members, plus Russia, China, (maybe) Pakistan, Australia, NZ, Japan.


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User currently offlineOlympic A-340 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 780 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Lewis, put your Greek biases (i.e Turks, and the USA) aside and think about justice rather than political propaganda that they spoon feed you in Greece. I have heard it all, including my grandmother in Athens saying that we deserved this horrible act. I realize that they hate the Americans, but now the whole world needs to hunt down these horrible people not just the US. It is a world problem not just an American problem.

User currently offlineR347216 From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1851 times:


Pakistan will be a valuable and useful ally. Take a look. They live right next door to Afghanistan. Their people have the advantage of having identical appearance to Afghanis.
They are the best bet for going in and blending in with the Afghani population for purposes of extracting information. IE eyeballing whats happening and reporting back. None of this can an American or European do.
Mega numbers of troops in for a ground (Mountain) war?
Forget it. The Russians tried it, and the number of body bags was never a concern of theirs, so any American presence on the ground would be hindered because of the concern for casualties.
Strikes will come from the air, once the targets are identified.
The British have historical experience in the area, having failed to keep control in the days of the Raj, but their historical knowledge of the terrain etc will be invaluable. They have it mapped out to the last yard.
Worth watching.


User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

R347216 wrote:
Pakistan will be a valuable and useful ally. Take a look. They live right next door to Afghanistan. Their people have the advantage of having identical appearance to Afghanis.

This is a good point that I overlooked. This attack has to be carefully planned and evaluated. Contrary to popular public opinion, an airstrike or a groundstirke will not solve the issue, in fact, it may worsen it. true, it will probably give the pulic (mostly Americans) a temporary sense of satisfaction but ultimately does not resolve the issue. Someone pointed out that this is a world problem and I agree, therefore strategic warfare planning and impeccable and precise time and information management are key. As we all know, that can indeed take a while. Unfortunately, I think at this point everybody, particularly the US) is just anxious.



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User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1826 times:

Latest word from news and analysts is China and Russia will NOT participate in any military action, nor will they allow US forces the use of their bases.

They do condemn this action, but philosphically, they have a different view on terrorism as something from the inside, rather than an external threat.

The best we can hope for is their support in the UN (not vetoing any action) and sharing of intelligence resources -- which is already good enough!



User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1821 times:

Iran is still being coy. I kind of feel sorry for Pakistan. They are screwed either way. I think they took the gamble that US will succeed in toppling Taliban. But that is HUGE! Also, sounds like Saudi Arabia and UAE is reconsidering their recognizing Taliban as legitimate.


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User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

I just heard from a friend that Pakistan does not want anything to do with the U.S. This is just hearsay so if someone has more accurate info regarding this please inform us.

If it's true, I'm still shopping around for reasons of why they wouldn't go with us. Whoah, this could get controversial amongst the world leaders.



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User currently offlineQantas737 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

Australia was very quick to raise its hand saying that it wished to help the Americans, as Australian Prime Minister John Howard was in Washington at the time of the incident to celebrate ANZUS. Australia should play quite a large role as the US have already asked that HMAS Anzac (one of the worlds fastest frigates) stay in the gulf when it was heading home to Australia.

User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

A report in the Norwegian newspaper "Aftenposten" (Evening Mail) only this morning,had an article on Pakistan and it's stance in this situation.Pakistan was the first,and only? country to acknowledge Taliban as the legitimate leaders in Afghanistan.Also,many of Pakistan's citizens,some say as much as 65-70% of the population have strong sympathies with Taliban,so don't count on Pakistan for the time being!
Basing American and Allied forces in Pakistan might seem remote.



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User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Olympic A-340:I agree that every nation should help USA because after all, this was a terrible thing. But unless they have strong proof, they cannot attack a whole nation. They should try to hunt down the responsible people but not kill all Afghans that live with 30 cents per day! Their misery is enough. Even if Bin Laden is responsible they should hunt him down and not erase a nation from the map!

25 Lewis : And about the propaganda thing: don't forget that Americans are the ones that don't get fully informed. Pictures of dead innocents in Iraq, Yugoslavia
26 Fly-By-Pilot : This is whats weird to me. The "world" thinks the US is evil for attacing Iraq and Serbia but they forget that these two countries were participating
27 Go Canada! : The UK is the number one ally of the Americans. While other european countries are saying they are supporting the americans, countries like France wil
28 Indianguy : ALL countries that value Democratic values stand by the US in its hour of need. Whatever the world needs to do to rid the menace of international terr
29 Ryanb741 : All I can say is that if Pakistan is a US ally, the US has to promise it will support Pakistan after the strikes as Pakistan will be left to pick up t
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