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What The Democrats Need To Win Back The Whitehouse  
User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

What the democrats need to do to win back the Whitehouse...

Become more conservative. Seriously, there is no other way. The public opinion polls may be hard on Bush at the moment, but any liberal that goes up against the next conservative will still be in a lower position by the time the next "swift boat veterans" or similar group gets a chance to rail against them. The only way the democrats can win back the Whitehouse is if they become nearly as conservative as the republicans. Of course, by the time that happens, what will be the point of voting anyway?


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
The only way the democrats can win back the Whitehouse is if they become nearly as conservative as the republicans.

Would that be the "tax cut and spend" conservatives, or the real conservatives?



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
Become more conservative.

"Moderate" is probably a more palatable word. Smile

Those of you who speak for the Democratic party could go a long ways to help the cause if you would do a few things.

  • Don't run Hillary. Way too widely disliked already. Uphill fight.


  • Don't run Kerry. Seen by the right as so seriously flawed that he actually lost to Dubya - who most of us did not want to vote for. (You asked.)


  • Clamp a gag on people who use words like "flyover states" to describe 95% of the USA. That is insulting in the extreme. That is going-to-war-over insulting.


  • Stop characterizing people with some conservative leanings as redneck, hillbilly ChristianFundie, nazi, - you know what I mean. Some of us are actually educated, cultured and sincere. Deal with that.


  • A little more distance between your center and your extreme fringies. (We need to do the same on the right.) Don't argue in defense of the verbal diarrhea of the likes of the moron Ward Churchill. That utterly backs us righties into a corner. And for what? Some principle? If THAT represents your principles expect a drubbing in '08.


  • Back off gun control. (most of us Repubs would like our party to back off on abortion) We don't trust people who don't trust us with guns. We do not trust your motives when you come after ANY of our Contstitutional rights. Understand that most of us are more mistrustful of anti-gun legislation than we are of the Patriot Act.


  • That's enough for now. Ought to stir something up with just that list.



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    User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39696 posts, RR: 75
    Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

    SATX:
    It's looking like conservative Democrats Mark Warner and Evan Bayh have the best shot at winning and can certainly defeat the GOP candidate (who ever that is) because in the GOP side, Bill Frist may have too much ethical baggage if he hasn't been thrown in the slammer by 2008. Giulani nor Rice would piss off the conservative base.


    Conservative Democrats Bill Clinton and Al Gore won, well Gore won the popular vote at least.
    Liberal Democrat John Kerry came very, very close to beating Dubya but I think a lot of Kerry votes was a result millions who hated Bush.
    The Cheney/Rove machine scared just enough potiental Kerry votes with the gay marriage issue and the press made a big deal with Tereza's "shove it" comment.



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    User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

    I doubt if the Dems would win even if every Republican in Congress was behind bars.

    They just know how to screw it up.


    User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39696 posts, RR: 75
    Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

    Wow SlamClick, I agree with all of your points in a political thread.  Wow!
    This is a first!

    Although I am a lefty, I understand and accept the fact that many people aren't and many buy in to the media's right-wing pro-corperate slant. I understand that is what cards the Democrats have to work with.



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    User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
    Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

    They need to put a goddamn muzzle on that lunatic Howard Dean for starters....


    But yes, they do need to become more moderate. That's how Clinton got elected, after all--he took the moderate stance on many positions, almost conservative. It worked.


    User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
    Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3578 times:





    [Edited 2005-12-08 19:42:31]


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    User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39696 posts, RR: 75
    Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

    Quoting Slider (Reply 6):
    That's how Clinton got elected, after all--he took the moderate stance on many positions, almost conservative. It worked.

    His southern drawl also helped him in conservative states. Bill Clinton is a very smart man but it's a shame that intelligence is frowned upon in many parts of the country. Many voters in red states like to see a candidate that talks rather simple. The right-wing of the GOP didn't care for Papa Bush because he was an intelligent, well educated New Englander.



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    User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
    Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3565 times:

    Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
    What The Democrats Need To Win Back The Whitehouse

    Find a platform....

















    Seriously.  yes 



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    User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17343 posts, RR: 46
    Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3557 times:

    Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
    Wow SlamClick, I agree with all of your points in a political thread.

    I'm speechless.

    Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 9):
    Find a platform....

    That would be a step in the right direction.



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    User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
    Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3553 times:

    All of you raise excellent points.

    But the sad truth is that it's all going to boil down to 1) the best looking candidate who can 2) hurl the best insults in the shortest time and 3) whoevers staff can put together the most neatly packaged 30 second sound bites, regardless of factual content.


    User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
    Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3551 times:

    Quoting Matt D (Reply 11):
    the best looking candidate

    :: note to self :: Matt D thinks Bush is hot.



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    User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3542 times:

    Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
    What The Democrats Need To Win Back The Whitehouse

    Voters with a brain?


    User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
    Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3538 times:

    Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
    What the democrats need to do to win back the Whitehouse...

    Prayer? No, wait...



    If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
    User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
    Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3536 times:

    Quoting Matt D (Reply 11):
    But the sad truth is that it's all going to boil down to 1) the best looking candidate who can

    Already ruled out 99% of democrats...

    Quoting Matt D (Reply 11):
    2) hurl the best insults in the shortest time and

    Most of them can't find the thumb stuck in their ass, so speed and craftiness probably won't be mixed well...

    Quoting Matt D (Reply 11):
    3) whoevers staff can put together the most neatly packaged 30 second sound bites, regardless of factual content.

    Maybe if they put up an ad with flying ninjas?

    Seriously, its going to take a hell of a lot more than this. While a good portion of the voting public doesn't approve of the current administration, they are still very reluctant to vote in a democrat just because of what's going on. That says quite a bit about the DNC.

    Find a platform, learn to spell out what it is, get raging lunatics off the stage, and then find a candidate who won't piss it away........this is what would have to happen. Why won't it work with the dems?? Because every damned one of them is too power-hungry to realize the true power of a collective body.



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    User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3532 times:

    Discussed . . . . ad nauseam

    http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/978089

    Good conversation in Falcon's thread as well . . .

    Perhaps a review before this one continues . . .

    Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
    "Moderate" is probably a more palatable word.

     checkmark 

    Move toward the center, not to the right. We've got enough right wingers out here now. We need more centrists . . . or a viable third party built around a centrist theme that is neither beholding to the Democrats or the Republicans.

    Then get out of mudslinging business. Find a platform that doesn't say "Stay the Course" or "I Have a Plan" and be able to demonstrate and articulate how that platform will help all Americans . . . don't just profess to either stick with what we have or we can do better . . .


    User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3521 times:

    From a UK perspective I thought Bill Clinton was pretty good. Big grin

    User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
    Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3520 times:

    Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 17):
    From a UK perspective I thought Bill Clinton was pretty good.

    That's what she said.  Big grin

    Signed,
    Bill



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    User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
    Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3517 times:

    Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
    Move toward the center, not to the right

    This I agree with, and as an odd consequence of history, the overt slide to the right that the Republican Party has taken in the past decade or two is exactly what will bring the Democrats more to the center.

    I hope that when the party in the White House does change, because we all know it will someday, it will because of what the party stands for, and not because of being able to blame the other for missteps that weakens the country (yes, I am bothered by our soaring debt ...). Either party should be able to win fair and square without making the country suffer in the process.



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    User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
    Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3513 times:

    Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
    Wow SlamClick, I agree with all of your points in a political thread.
    This is a first!

    Hey, the old hard-line Slammer would have taken that as a sign that he needed to re-think some of it. Smile If I may help you cage your political gyros again, I was answering the question what should they do and not necessarily endorsing those things. It may be that deep in my conservative soul (oxymoron anyone?) I don't want them to do these things.

    The cynical views about how the next election will be won are pretty much correct, it is mostly theater. My biggest fear in '04 was that Bush would consider a victory a "mandate from the people" which he obviously did. My fear for '08 is that whoever wins will think the same way. I'd be happy to send them my tax dollars for the rest of my life, let them name every public building after themselves, put their own pictures on our money and stamps if they'd just stay in Washington and leave us alone. Most of all if they would just STOP MAKING NEW LAWS!

    Leave it alone.
    Leave it all alone.

    (sigh)



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    User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3504 times:

    Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
    Become more conservative. Seriously, there is no other way. The public opinion polls may be hard on Bush at the moment, but any liberal that goes up against the next conservative will still be in a lower position by the time the next "swift boat veterans" or similar group gets a chance to rail against them. The only way the democrats can win back the Whitehouse is if they become nearly as conservative as the republicans. Of course, by the time that happens, what will be the point of voting anyway?

    Agreed. In spite of poor popularity ratings for Bush, and some pretty obvious failings, the Dems have not been able to capitalize on it. Their popularity is almost as bad.

    I think it is because many people feel that the far-left has hijacked the Democratic Party. John Kerry tried desperately to position himself as a centrist, but his 20+ years of voting records showed him for what he really was.

    There was one Democrat that I would have voted for against Bush in 2004. But Joe Lieberman was blasted out of the primaries way too fast. This guy is pretty solidly in the center, is an experienced member of the senate, and most importantly seems to be an honest, thoughtful and down-to-earth guy. I think he would have made an excellent president, if a little on the boring side.

    All the other candidates were simply awful, most especially Dean, Kerry, and Edwards. The fact that they lost against a President who fucked up the Iraq aftermath, had several unpopular and controversial members of his administration, , was tagged as a far right "neo-con" and had as much public speaking ability as a dried apricot, is proof of how truely BAD the democratic candidates were.

    The party needs to ditch their extremist elements. That includes people like Michael Moore and the Hollywood crowd. That also includes canning Howard Dean from the DNC chair - one of the most telling clues that the Dems have been hijacked by the nutty fringe. Denounce many of the actions of the ACLU, Cindy Sheehan, and other kooks.

    The Democratic Party should be just slightly left of center. If they get that balance right, they can't lose in 2008. But if they run Hillary Clinton, Kerry, or someone similar, they will lose. Don't underestimate Karl Rove - he's probably the smartest man in Washington, and will certainly help to put together a powerful Republican list. The Dems have to be solidly mainstream to fight successfully.

    Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
    many buy in to the media's right-wing pro-corperate slant.

    Yeah, right. 2 recent examples:

    When Joe Lieberman made a speech saying how the U.S. must stay in Iraq until the mission is completed, it hardly got any press. But when Murtha says "cut and run!", it's everywhere for a week.

    National polls show that many people have a very poor opinion of the overall economy today, but very few say that they have personally seen evidence of economic hardship within their own businesses. This clearly shows how opinion can be colored by constant repitition of how fragile and poor the economy is.


    User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3496 times:

    Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
    as an odd consequence of history, the overt slide to the right that the Republican Party has taken in the past decade or two is exactly what will bring the Democrats more to the center.

    . . . . . if the Democrats are smart about it . . . . with few exceptions, no evidence of that in recent years. No way in hell Kerry or Gore or Dean are anywhere near the center - neither is Hillary (regardless of her recent portrayal to the contrary).

    Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
    and not because of being able to blame the other for missteps that weakens the country

    Ahhh, yes, ye old Partisan Politics hard at work. Screw the country - what does the PARTY want. Pretty tiring game.

    How about "Screw the Party" - what does the COUNTRY want for a change?? That'd be a switch wouldn't it!


    User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3492 times:

    Quoting Cfalk (Reply 21):
    There was one Democrat that I would have voted for against Bush in 2004. But Joe Lieberman was blasted out of the primaries way too fast

     checkmark  As a Republican, I have to say that I have a tremendous amount of respect for Sen. Lieberman. Had it been Joe vs. W, I would have crossed and voted for Joe.

    Quoting Cfalk (Reply 21):
    This guy is pretty solidly in the center, is an experienced member of the senate, and most importantly seems to be an honest, thoughtful and down-to-earth guy. I think he would have made an excellent president, if a little on the boring side.

     checkmark  Unfortunately, the majority of the American voting public is too stupid and ignorant to look at attributes like this. Jimmy Carter was probably the nicest guy around, and he was obliterated by everyone. Not that I agree with him on anything, but you get the idea. Had Joe Lieberman aligned himself with another more moderate Dem. in 2000, he would have been VP then, and probably still today. Instead, he chose that eco-terrorist moron Al Gore. Sad, very sad.


    User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
    Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3477 times:

    Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 9):
    Find a platform....

    Our platform is pro-choice, pro-environment, separation of church and state, anti-war, anti-trust, etc. Just because you may not agree with any of these ideals doesn't mean they're suddenly no longer a valid platform.

    Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
    Move toward the center, not to the right.

    It's all one in the same. There's no point in playing with semantics. However much to the right the Democrats move will become the new left. What, if any, distance remains between the new left and the right will become the new center. The Democrats will never become a party of the center because we only have two parties to pick from in the first place. Eventually, almost everyone will end up on the right of where we all used to be.

    Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
    We need more centrists . . . or a viable third party built around a centrist theme that is neither beholding to the Democrats or the Republicans.

    There wasn't much of a distinction between Clinton and Bush 41, but the fact that Bush 43 got re-elected shows that the country has moved a considerable distance to the right. Or it shows that you can't trust Diebold Election Systems (a major vote counting system and strong supporter of the Republican platform). Take your pick.

    Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 23):
    As a Republican, I have to say that I have a tremendous amount of respect for Sen. Lieberman. Had it been Joe vs. W, I would have crossed and voted for Joe.

    Sen. Lieberman isn't much of a democrat, IMO.

    Anyway, I'd almost rather that the democrats lose on principle than allow themselves to be molded by the domestic media, corporate America, and the self-absorbed Bible belt.



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    25 Seb146 : Well, according to the Republican spin machine, the Democrats are just a bunch of God-hating fags. Sadly, I think what the Dems need to do to win back
    26 SATX : Bashing the Republicans 30% of the time and bashing the democrats 70% of the time isn't being even-handed. Not that I would ever expect you to admit
    27 Superfly : Murtha's comments carry more weight because he actually served in combat and is a military hawk as well. Big deal what Lieberman says! He is a conser
    28 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Why would you assume I don't agree with these. Once again you demonstrate your ability to lecture and assume without research. But, that's okay . . .
    29 Post contains images Dvk : But the other 1% includes the VERY handsome Evan Bayh.
    30 Slider : Ditto- and he just returned from his 4th trip to Iraq in a year and had some very astute observations that were summarily ignored by the media. Murth
    31 DL021 : Well, you say you agree with Slammers point but proceed to insult people you refer to as "red-staters" saying we don't want someone smart? Bill Clint
    32 FriendlySkies : If that actually mattered to politicians, then we'd always have a moderate president.... The biggest reason I hate politics, right there.
    33 BN747 : Pure BS! His presidency was a sealed failure due to: 1) An 'intentional' failed Hostage rescue attempt. If they'd had succeeded, Carter would have be
    34 DL021 : OH my dear God....are you actually saying that the commanders involved intentionally killed their own men in order to make their president look bad?
    35 We're Nuts : Wonderful, being lectured on how to win by their worst enemy. I'm sure the Democrats would love this. How about: "What the Republicans need to keep al
    36 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Soldiers do not generally dishonor themselves - and do NOT purposely fail missions and in the process get people killed and maimed - because they don
    37 Cfalk : It seems that BN747 has returned to the Land of Oz, where GWB is the Wicked Witch and the military are evil flying monkeys.
    38 BHXFAOTIPYYC : Maybe the ultimate 21st century politics would be to be able to vote for policies, not parties. It is a shame it always has to be "the lessor of two e
    39 Superfly : Well I hate to say it but it's true. The spin the GOP/fox news put on Gore in 2000 was that he a "smarty pants". They used his intelligence and impec
    40 Slider : What a load of complete horseshit!!! This statement illustrates your total ignorance about this matter. I have a 60 page term paper I can send you if
    41 FDXMECH : Yep. And FDR, Lincoln, Truman happened to luck out being elected in easy time's. Please, Superfly, the man's high point was being listed in the credi
    42 Diamond : Why?
    43 ANCFlyer : Don't Yell at me . . . who the hell do you think you are anyway? I never gave it a tremendous amount of thought - I don't have a position on it reall
    44 Diamond : Dude, really. Did you not get enough hugs when you were a kid? Geez, calm down.
    45 ANCFlyer : You're the one yelling not I . . . seems you're the one with lack-o-nookie as a rugrat.
    46 Diamond : Not yelling - emphasizing. Deal, you shrinking violet.
    47 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Childish, elementary display. . . beneath you usually. You have got to remember to kid me only when I'm having a good day . . . And use the occasiona
    48 DL021 : HUnh? Gore lost the debates because he was an assmonkey in the first one, a shrinking violet in the second one and flat wrongheaded in the third one
    49 BN747 : HELLO??? Does the term military incompetence ring a bell??? Does McClellan ring a bell? Does Custer? And god knows how many others who followed? Just
    50 Clipperhawaii : It's quite evident that the Democrats are not going to be in the White House in '08 by reading some of these ridiculous posts from "obvious" Democrats
    51 Post contains images We're Nuts : Under what conditions would you say anything different? Troll.
    52 Gatorman96 : Fly Hillary and Kerry to the middle of Siberia...
    53 Diamond : Since you're an authority on things, please spell out for us which Republican will be our next president and what platform he/she will be running on.
    54 Centrair : I have to say there are many great ideas flowing here. What do the dems need to take back the White House? Platform...well they have something but it
    55 Seb146 : "Swift Boat Veterans" ring a bell? Picking one topic that will inflame Christians in the rural areas and attack attack attack!!! Whoever the Republic
    56 BN747 : Yeah... voting machines with accuracy and accountabilty of ATM machines... after all the same company makes both. It's beyond me how the voting machi
    57 DL021 : What? McClellan simply refused to move swiflty sticking to old tactics. Custer simply moved too fast making it up as he went along and damn the casua
    58 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Until you've been in both, you can't speak to this. The military is not free from politics, without a doubt.....but it is not near the cut-throat gam
    59 Post contains images ANCFlyer : You have no clue. None - about the the modern US military. Perfect timing for this:
    60 FDXMECH : Hahahaha. Good one ANCFlyer. Hey BN747, congrats on making the work release program. Just don't show the trustee's your posts.
    61 Post contains links ClassicLover : http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/sis...lves/2005/12/08/1133829721163.html Condoleezza Rice vs. Hilary Clinton? An Australian newspaper thinks so. Tren
    62 Slider : Because we didn't have the capability! What part of that don't you understand? Considering the claim (specious, IMHO) of your old man being one of th
    63 Superfly : DIO21: John Anderson was an Independent. What ever Anderson was prior to the 1980 election, he was not a conservative or a Republican in 1980. I know
    64 Cfalk : LOL, that's hardly difficult! GW Bush has a worse public speaking talent than practically anyone in politics. Same happened against Kerry. But Gore a
    65 Post contains images Slider : Geez Supe- if you're going to post something that hilarious, let me know becuase I just narfed Diet Coke all over. He turned against them. Southerner
    66 Post contains images Exarmywarrant : I'd rather see Rice knock Schwarzenegger off in the California primary and spend a term or two as Governor first. By then Hillary will be old news. T
    67 Post contains images ANCFlyer : He may be from Tennessee, but I bet if you ask a bunch of Tennesseans if they claim him, there will be a resounding NOT!
    68 Texan : A candidate. Preferably one with more personality than my grandma's dog Tamma, who has been dead for 15 years, currently has. Well, but the same coul
    69 BN747 : ANC you're old enough now to know that no matter how much the environment, the technology, the conditions, the tools change... the two common factors
    70 Exarmywarrant : He might very well be your best choice, but if a Dem like you is already poking fun at him, I'd be worried if I were him... I just wish we could have
    71 Post contains images Texan : Don't read too much into that; it's a funny situation. I try to do the same thing to as many politicians as possible, no matter the party He is too c
    72 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Well Said, Texan. Didn't stress yourself I hope . . . that said: Thanks for your service!
    73 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Don't know how the hell I missed this, but I would love to know more. I'll be messaging you soon. They even took down the sign coming into Memphis on
    74 BN747 : You can message all the hell you want, I don't know who you are. And from what I've seen, you make Pat Buchannan look like like flaming bleeding hear
    75 DL021 : BN747 Number one...unless your Dad was Banks or Yarborough then I'll say that one of the founders can mean anything. Putting out hype like that you re
    76 MidnightMike : Gov. Richardson would have to worry more of an attack from the far left, just look at the DNC, conservative or moderate Democrats can win the nominat
    77 BN747 : Yes I've said that, have done that, have photos, ticket stub souveniers and more. Because I don't post it on the internet to satify your curiousity i
    78 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Do you even realize what you post on here? For someone who claims to be so self-righteous and in-the-loop about things, you seem to have one hell of
    79 JBirdAV8r : Ah, the ol' "well, uh, my weenie is bigger than yours" cock-a-doodle-doo chest-pounding. You gotta love the telltale signs of an unraveling argument.
    80 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Yes.......only the most credible sign of a true warrior. He must be the pinnacle of perfection.
    81 BN747 : Coming from someone else... that might have meaning. ..but from you it equals about as much as a sock of cockroach droppings. BN747
    82 DL021 : FIrst off, in re-reading my earlier post I'd like to retract anything that sounded like I was casting aspersions to your family, which I did not inten
    83 DL021 : Oh, hey....the topic of the thread. I forgot. If the Dems want to win they should run Mark Warner and make sure he doesn't have any baggage or lunatic
    84 Centrair : Since my previous post got passed over. Here we go. Barak Obama (just cool enough) Jim Doyle (Gov of Wisconsin) He is tough and straight. People would
    85 BN747 : First off, you neither did nor said anything offensive to me or family and I appreciate the sentiment.. it isn't necessary. HA!... if that's the best
    86 LTBEWR : The biggest problem for the Democrats is money. To get the money they need to offset the money the Republicans can raise, they have to sell out the mi
    87 MidnightMike : Money is not a problem for the Democratic party, as the Democrat appeals to its own brand of millionaires.... That would be a good idea to let the vo
    88 Slider : Read as: I'm totally full of crap. Thanks for saying exactly what I was thinking DL... Spoken like a true 17 year old. Are you sure you're not really
    89 Texan : If the gods had meant for us to vote, they would have given us candidates... I disagree. In the late 1980s/early 1990s, we had a much more liberal De
    90 Post contains images DL021 : The issue is that you do nothing but bitch about the negatives and ignore or deny any good done by anyone, at least on these threads. I'm not on the
    91 MidnightMike : You forgot that when Clinton entered the Presidential race, at first he did not receive any support from the DNC, and, at the beginning the President
    92 MidnightMike : You are probably the first person that I have heard of that would call Al Gore a Moderate, and President Clinton was not a moderate. He was Liberal,
    93 Post contains images BN747 : Did you clear it with your wife to swear this much? You used to bitch about me wielding profanity so loosely... cool the bloods flowing. Okay, spoke
    94 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : When you try to make an argument and throw in this type of horseshit, you've lost all credibility. You need to stop now while you still have rights t
    95 BN747 : WHOA... thanks for pointing that out.. it's suppose to be Analytical guys like you AREN't cunt-hounds,... US??? US who?? Who do YOU speak for? Do you
    96 BN747 : Bottom line Usnseallt82... if you want respect, you gotta give it... you just don't go around demanding it as you're doing this very moment. BN747
    97 Post contains images DL021 : You're right. I've used too much profanity here in the last week, and not just here. It's not the most effective way to communicate and I've done it
    98 Texan : Gore was a pro-life (until Clinton told him to switch if he wanted to be VP), war hawk, deficit hawk, who eschewed raising taxes and voted to cut tax
    99 Post contains links DL021 : Like an idiot I give BN a hard time about details and there I go mixing up a name. I'm re-reading Band of Brothers and added in Major Dick Winters na
    100 BN747 : Now I know you did not throw historians into this.. they're a smidge above 'crystal-ball reading' fortune tellers and anyone would be a fool to read
    101 DL021 : OK...since I read this I'll just respond with this..since we've completely hijacked the thread and I'm just not really in the mood for a pissing conte
    102 Jaysit : Don't kid yourself. A majority of doctors in the United States are hard-core Democrats. Even PhrMA, that big innovator drug firm lobbying organizatio
    103 Gilligan : What The Democrats Need To Win Back The Whitehouse Something just short of a miracle, especially if things are begining to wind down in Iraq and the e
    104 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Having watched the banter between DL021 and BN747, I see good points on both sides. And quite an interesting "Who's Got The Biggest Penis" and "Who Go
    105 Cairo : I was a Republican for 15 years until George Bush. The Republican party I used to know: >believed in shrinking government, not growing it >believed in
    106 SATX : As I stated early-on, the Democratic platform is still based on the goals of pro-choice, pro-environment, separation of church and state, anti-war, a
    107 Post contains images BN747 : 1)AF Helos were not used. 2) Your 1st statement makes my case solely and entirely. "The fact is that no one was prepared to properly execute that mis
    108 ANCFlyer : Garrison was not the ground commander - no matter how you twist the scenario . . . although he was in overall command, operations were run from the a
    109 Slider : It's BECKWITH. Chargin Charlie Beckwith. And for the record, I've read all of them, Beckwith's account being the most non-varnished.
    110 BN747 : Talk about being 2 days late...scroll up champ, that was corrected before you work Sat. Morning. Hands down you have better credentials over my over
    111 ANCFlyer : Particularly if I lived through it, or participated in it. But when a viable source is produced I have no qualms about changing my opinion . . . thus
    112 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I'll jump in on this.......as one who often engaged the tin foil king. ANCFlyer is most certainly accurate in what he says about him. That guy was of
    113 BN747 : Well you gotta admit... were you in my shoes... you do the same, you'd go family (who you know and knowing their background) vs someone on the net wh
    114 DL021 : ok...so the conspiracy is purely your opinion....you're going to develop your own daytime talkshow combining the best of relationship directed pop-psy
    115 Gatorman96 : Pray that Jeb Bush runs for prez...
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