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User currently offlineBrissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 880 times:

G'day y'all

I thought of this post after two events.

Firstly, Polaris' *I am...Australian* post, and secondly, the Olympic Opening Ceremony.

During the O.O.C. when Human Nature sang Advance Australia Fair (which sounded great although I don't like them), I was taken a bit aback when Julie Anthony sang the second verse. I would be guessing here, but most Aussies don't even know that there is a second verse to our national anthem, and no-one actually knows the words of it (in fact most don't even know the words to the first verse).

Just look at the words to Advance Australia Fair.....

What the hell is *our land is girt by sea*?

And the doozy in my mind....what is *Advance Australia Fair* supposed to mean?

Can someone please tell me.

Don't you guys think it is time we got ourselves a new national anthem? Something that the average Aussie can be enraptured by.....and I think the lyrics below would be great (I am sure it was The Seekers who sang this, but can't be sure)......ok, just did a search...it was The Seekers.

What do you guys reckon? Time for a change?

Cheers

Scotty
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I came from the dream-time, from the dusty, red-soil plains;
I am the ancient heart, the keeper of the flame.
I stood upon the rocky shores, I watched the tall ships come;
For forty thousand years I'd been the first Australian.
I came upon the prison ship, bowed down by iron chains;
I fought the land, endured the lash, and waited for the rains.
I'm a settler, I'm a farmer's wife, on a dry and barren run;
A convict, then a free man, I became Australian.

I'm the daughter of a digger who sought the mother lode;
The girl became a woman on the long and dusty road.
I'm a child of the Depression, I saw the good times come;
I'm a bushy, I'm a battler, I am Australian.

We are one, but we are many;
And from all the lands on earth we come.
We'll share a dream and sing with one voice,
"I am, you are, we are Australian."

I'm a teller of stories, I'm a singer of songs;
I am Albert Namatjira, and I paint the ghostly gums.
I'm Clancy on his horse, I'm Ned Kelly on the run;
I'm the one who waltzed Matilda, I am Australian.

I'm the hot wind from the desert, I'm the black soil of the plains;
I'm the mountains and the valleys, I'm the drought and flooding rains.
I am the rock, I am the sky, the rivers when they run;
The spirit of this great land, I am Australian.

We are one, but we are many;
And from all the lands on earth we come.
We'll share a dream, and sing with one voice,
"I am, you are, we are Australian."

We are one, but we are many;
And from all the lands on earth we come.
We'll share a dream, and sing with one voice,
"I am, you are, we are Australian."

I am, you are, we are Australian.


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User currently offlineIlyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 734 times:

Man, Scotty, that song you printed out is AWESOME, the words moved me to tears right here at work!

Why do you think your national anthem should be changed? (This coming from an American, of course...) I've never heard it, so it's hard for me to relate.

By the way...the Seekers are a favourite of mine from my childhood. My mother has the LPs "Seen in Green" and "Georgy Girl" to this day, and I made a tape of both I listen to from time to time. I even learned "All I Can Remember" on the piano. Hehehe.  


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 728 times:

Speaking of national anthems that should be changed, how about the Star Spangled Banner! It's hard for most people to sing, most people don't really understand the meaning of the poem, and it's set to the tune of an old English pub song.

I've always preferred "America the Beautiful"

Oh beautiful
For spacious skies
For amber waves of grain
For purple mountain majesties (whatever those are)
Above the fruited plain
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee (Oh crap, I forgot it mentions God)
And crown thy good
With brotherhood
From sea to shining sea

Oh beautiful
For patriot's dreams
That see beyond the years...
blah blah blah


I think the Canadian national anthem is the most beautiful anthem I've ever heard.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineBrissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 724 times:

Don't worry Britt....over the next two weeks, I am sure you will be hearing the Aussie National Anthem plenty!!  

Although the actual words to Advance Australia Fair aren't something that I feel the average Aussie can relate to. In fact, AAF is the national anthem, even thought more votes were received for Waltzing Matilda (which every Aussie knows the words....well most anyway).

I don't really find anything inspiring in these words:

Australians all let us rejoice
For we are young and free
We've golden soil and wealth for toil
Our home is girt by sea
Our land abounds in nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare
In history's page let every stage
Advance Australia Fair
In joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australian Fair...


All this says to me is that here is a lump of land which has water around it. It doesn't really capture or embody the spirit of the Australian of today. After all, isn't that what makes a country great...it's people?

Hey Britt....if you have Napster, search for the song "I am Australian" and you should be able to listen to it that way....although I am not into that type of music, I do have a liking for this one.

Cheers

Scotty


User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 727 times:

Brissie_lions: the Canadian anthem has additional verses, too, and most people don't know that it has them either. Some want our anthem replaced, too. There's a song called "The Maple Leaf Forever" that some would prefer.

TWFirst: the French lyrics to our anthem are much more moving than the English. The original version was in French but proved too difficult to translate.

Today, though, I AM...Australian! (New anthem or not...at least until the Canadians parade through.)


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 725 times:

Well, the French do everything better, don't they now   

Could you write the French lyrics here?



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineKlm-md-11 From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 715 times:

Actually, as an Air Cadet, Maple Leaf Forever is really our "marching on of the colours" song. In fact, during the '80s, Maple Leaf Forever was competing against O Canada to be the National Anthem. Maple Leaf forever is at a 120 tempo while O Canada is a bit more majestic. Although Polaris mentioned that the French version of O Canada is more "moving", I find it harder to sing. Myself, being bilingual, I find the English version better. If you translate the French lyrics into English, you'll get some thing about fighting as well.

Anyway, O Canada in French and English respectively:

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O Canada! Our home and native land!
True Patriot love, in all thy sons command!
With glowing hearts, we see thee rise,
the true north strong and free!
From fall and wide, O Canada,
we stand on guard for thee!
God keep our land, glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee!


0 Canada!Terre de nos aieaux,
Ton front est ceint, de fleurons glorieux!
Car ton bras sait porter l'épée,
Il sait porterla croix!
Ton histoire est une épopée
Des plus brillants exploits!
Et ta valeur, de foi trempée,
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits!
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits!


User currently offlineXQF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 715 times:

OK, I'm just taking a break from the telecast of the Games for 2 mintes (it's too exciting to stop for any longer!)

Scotty, how great was Ian "Thorpedo" Thorpe! Olympic Record in the 400m heats.......GO AUSSIE! Cant wait for more from him.

And the triathalon.......how great is the course???  

I am loving it here!!!!!!!! SYDNEY 2000!

Now, with regards to the anthem, i like Adavance Australia Fair, but i love "I am Australian" , but what about the song the 13 yr old girl sang at the Opening Ceremony......"Southern Skies" - that was brilliant!

OK, well gotta dash......more to watch  

seeya!

AUSSIE, AUSSIE, AUSSIE....OI! OI! OI!

 

O O O
.O O


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 705 times:

I think the best national anthem is the Canadian followed by the French. The American is a battle poem, how does this relate to the splendour and beauty that is America. Sorry TWfirst, the theme for "America, The Beautful" is taken by "God Save the Queen" (soon to be "King" as soon as that old batty dies). I mean you want to talk about terrible anthems, the British is terrible. All it comprises is a huge praise to one really egotistical f*cker. The second verse is really anarchist. I would love to see the British national anthem changed.

God Save the Queen
----------------------------
God save our gracious Queen,
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen:
Send her victorious.
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us:
God Save the Queen.

O Lord our God arise.
Scatter her enemies,
And make them fall:
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On Thee our hopes we fix:
God Save Us All

Thy choicest gifts in store,
On her be pleased to pour,
Long may she reign:
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause,
To sing with heart and voice:
God Save the Queen.

LH423



« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineKlm-md-11 From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 700 times:

Actually, the song "America, the Beautiful" does not come from the God save our Royalty Theme...however, the song "America" does...the lyrics are different too!

Just my 2 cents  


User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 703 times:

TWFirst: hehe- there is NO American patriotic song that doesn't mention God in it somewhere.. sorry...

I would have to say the Star Spangled Banner is a good choice as national anthem, as it kind of describes our victory and independance, a very important event in our history.

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The Star Spangled Banner

Oh, say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, thro' the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watch'd, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen thro' the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected, now shines on the stream:
'T is the star-spangled banner: O, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand,
Between their lov'd homes and the war's desolation;
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserv'd us as a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

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Its probably one of the longest national anthems around, too.

Another good patriotic song is the following, but I wouldn't put it up for anthem status.

If tomorrow all the things were gone
I'd worked for all my life,
And I had to start again
with just my children and my wife,
I'd thank my lucky stars
to be living here today,
'Cause the flag still stands for freedom
and they can't take that away.
I'm proud to be an American
where at least I know I'm free,
And I won't forget the men who died
who gave that right to me,
And I gladly stand up next to you
and defend her still today,
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land
God Bless the U.S.A.

From the lakes of Minnesota
to the hills of Tennessee,
Across the plains of Texas
from sea to shining sea.
From Detroit down to Houston
and New York to L.A.,
There's pride in every American heart
and it's time we stand and say:

I'm proud to be an American
where at least I know I'm free,
And I won't forget the men who died
who gave that right to me,
And I gladly stand up next to you
and defend her still today,
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land
God Bless the U.S.A.


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 692 times:

Sorry LH423, but you're thinking of "My Country 'Tis of Thee", not America the Beautiful..


To the tune of "God Save the Thang"...

My country, 'tis of thee
Sweet land of liberty
of thee I sing

Land where my fathers died
Land of the pilgrim's pride
From every mountain side
Let freedom ring.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 689 times:

Yeah your right. I don't even know half these songs I've just heard them periodically.

LH423



« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineAnzff From Australia, joined May 2000, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 669 times:

The meanings:
"girt" is the past participle of "gird", meaning to enclose or encircle. ie: Australia is an island
and "Advance Australia Fair" is simple: to figure it out just say "Advance...Australia Fair". Fair of course in this context means honest or beautiful.ie: to put into unpoetic language: 'move forward beautiful Australia'
AAF always brings a lump to my throat: it is our national anthem and Is ee no reason to change it. Probably a result of my (primary) schooling: singing the national anthem at assembly at least twicea week, and ALWAYS singing the second verse (we had to know the entire anthem off by heart as we were not given the words and the teachers used to pull you aside and give you a lecture (after the singing had finished of course) if you weren't singing. But I know a lot of people dislike it: perhaps it depends on age: I have only ever known AAF as the national anthem. I have to admit ana wful display of ignorance here, but when was it adopted? I know it was before my birth, but I think that probably draws the line between those who want to change it and those who don't. But I could be wrong...I might be the only one who likes it!


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 669 times:

I like AAF. It's got to be a hell of a lot better than that British crap we used to blab on with - "God Save the Queen".

In the seventies and early eighties GSQ was played as our national anthem in Queensland schools (I grew up in QLD) and I never ever stood up or sang that song as AAF was what I rightly believed to be our anthem.

Scotty,

It takes a good many years for a populace to take aboard a new national anthem. AAF is serving us well and is a nice, cheery, bright tune. I like "I am Australian" too, but it couldn't really be used because of it's connection to the Republicans. I have watched a couple of ceremonies and noticed a lot more Australians are getting the words right to our wonderful national anthem, to the point where in the pool the other night you could hear the crowd sing it!

Can any Aussie clear this one thing up for me. Apparently the Aboriginal's despise AAF because it was originally used by a White Australia organisation - hence the words "Advance Australia Fair" (as in the skin colour). I don't know if there is any truth in this, but could someone please enlighten me.

mb


User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (14 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 661 times:

Hi Scotty

Greetings from the other Scotty. Why dont you stop worrying about the anthem and become a Republic now? That way, you'll have your OWN Head of State opening your next games, instead of some guy called the "Governor General" which is about as imperialist as it gets. You Aussies are like us in Scotland - taking too long to get your arses in gear and become a nation again. By the way, we dont have a Governor General, even though we sent you a few in bygone days. Nor do we have a "Queen Elizabeth the Second" 'cos we never had a first!

And if we're on the words theme, how about

"I dont know if you can see
the changes that have come over me
These last few days, I've been afraid
that I might drift away

Let me tell you that I love you
and I think about you all the time
Caledonia you're calling me
and now I'm going home.
if I should become a stranger
you know that it would make me more than sad
Caledonia is everything I've ever had"

A song by Dougie MacLean about Scotland, which has been called "the best homesick song ever written"

Cheers


User currently offlineBrissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 646 times:

I too like AAF (it brings a tear to the eye, everytime I hear it), but for some reason I just don't feel it is the best song which encaptures the spirit of the average Aussie.

We were made to sing AAF every day before school (from years 1-7). At least here in WA, that tradition went out of the window years ago. They should bring it back, if only to get the kids to show some pride in their country.

MB....I heard something similar to what you mentioned about AAF being *racist* in the eyes of some Aboriginal people. I wonder whether a phone call to Charlie Perkins will clear this one up.

Cheers

Scotty


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