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User currently offlineAirworldA320 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 782 times:

Being a Brit I plead my ignorance here but just how do you Americans celebrate Thanksgiving.

Do you give presents?

What foods do you eat?

Does it feel like Christmas?

Is it a Public holiday?


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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 780 times:

It's a public Holiday, gifts are not customary.

It's like Christmas in that family and friends get together.

It's a celebration of the Pilgrims and the Indians sharing dinner together back in the 15 century.

It's fun...Typically turkey is the main dish with stuffing, mashed potatoes, and a host of other things. it tends to vary from house to house



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User currently offlineExarmywarrant From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 769 times:

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 1):
It's a celebration of the Pilgrims and the Indians sharing dinner together back in the 15 century.

It's true that the Pilgim/Indian feast is usually seen as a model, but the purpose of that feast and of the holiday in general is to thank [the] God [of your choice] for His provision for you during the year.

It is very moving to be in a church service as one celebrant after another stands and does so. Reminds us all that, carp as we will, most of us have a great deal to be thankful for.

 goodvibes 


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 763 times:

It's just another excuse for store sales, two days off of work and for retail companies to start shouting that the Christmas shopping season is upon us.

User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 761 times:

The food is like an English Christmas dinner, other than that no similarities!

User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 753 times:

Thanksgiving being one of my favorite holidays, Ill chip in my thoughts.
It is the celebration of the Native Americans coming to the aide of starving Pilgrims. Typically its based around a meal consisting of turkey, sometimes ham and all the fixings with a focus on pies for desert.
There are a few important things not mentioned yet in the forum and that is the football games going on that day. Two different games are traditionally played. One by the Dallas Cowboys and the other involving the Detroit Lions.
Then when its all over everyone passes out in the living room from the effects of tryptophan.
So basically it is a feasting holiday on the last thursday in November. Widely celebrated in the US, I know of a few native families who dont celebrate with turkey and such but have a feast on the traditional native foods they like and then talk about how the natives 500 years ago should have let them pilgrims starve.  duck 


User currently offlineAirworldA320 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 750 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 5):
One by the Dallas Cowboys and the other involving the Detroit Lions.
Then when its all over everyone passes out in the living room from the effects of tryptophan

Like Castleford Tigers and Featherstone Rovers on Boxing Day!!!!!!(Local Derby(Rugby League)

[Edited 2005-12-09 23:50:38]


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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 744 times:

Quoting AirworldA320 (Reply 6):
Like Castleford Tigers and Featherstone Rovers on Boxing Day!!!!!!(

yeah, yeah, sure, of course....I think. Well regardless these are the two games played on thanksgiving. Detroit Lions vs whoever. and the Dallas cowboys vs whoever. Except for detroit and dallas the opponents change every year.


User currently offlineAirworldA320 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 738 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 7):
yeah, yeah, sure, of course....I think. Well regardless these are the two games played on thanksgiving. Detroit Lions vs whoever. and the Dallas cowboys vs whoever. Except for detroit and dallas the opponents change every year.

All I am saying it is a game played between two local sides as a gesture of good will (two coal miners teams) (a game known as a friendly on this side of the pond) nothing to do with any place in any table or league!!!



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User currently offlineAirworldA320 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 728 times:

Anyway thanks for the replies guys all the best for Chirstmas and the new year

[Edited 2005-12-10 01:18:58]


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User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 719 times:

Seems like every Italian I know eats Lasagna for Thanksgiving. Anyone know why?


Yay Pudding!
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 718 times:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 3):
It's just another excuse for store sales, two days off of work and for retail companies to start shouting that the Christmas shopping season is upon us.

While there is so much more to it than this, this is unfortunately what most people do. It has gotten just about as commercialized as Christmas has.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 713 times:

Our family it's all about being together and the meal. We start about 9A in the kitchen - everybody has a part of the meal, and we work at it all day. There are no religious overtones, but it really is our day of Thanks Giving for each other and what's happend in the past year. Oh, and there hasn't been a turkey on our table for 30 years - we usually do one wild game meat and one fish dish, preferably salmon that we've caught or given to us, we try and avoid store bought.


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User currently offlineAirworldA320 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 708 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 12):
Oh, and there hasn't been a turkey on our table for 30 years - we usually do one wild game meat and one fish dish, preferably salmon that we've caught or given to us, we try and avoid store bought.

Would love any thing like that but unfortunatley it is all ASDA (Wal-Mart) bought!!!!!!!!!



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 705 times:

It's probably one of the best days for family gatherings across the country based on the tradition as expressed below...

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 1):
It's a celebration of the Pilgrims and the Indians sharing dinner together back in the 15 century.

However, having said that... I wonder how American Indians view it. It has to go something like 'We shared our food and land with these people... and they turned guns on us and took it all...WTF is up with that?"

A strange holiday that undoubtedly will succumb to a PC makeover sometime in the not to distant future... and rightfully so.

Some traditions need to be revisited and adjustmens made... that's progress.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 693 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 14):
However, having said that... I wonder how American Indians view it. It has to go something like 'We shared our food and land with these people... and they turned guns on us and took it all...WTF is up with that?"


Well as someone who is half white/ half native I somewhat have mixed feelings on Thanksgiving and Columbus day respectively. I said earlier in a post that I know of natives who think they should have let the pilgrims starve...I dont feel that strongly, but I wish the truth would be taught in school about what really happened and how the pilgrims and europeans in general really screwed over the native american in a big way.
Now for Columbus day, I am sure many know of the controversy surrounding Columbus day celebrations. Among my friends and family we have decided to use that Holiday as a day of remembrance and to celebrate native heritage. I would like to see more people look at the day this way, it seems the reason this holiday is still around is because of Italians celebrating Columbus. Whatever the name of the holiday, people should celebrate and or mourn depending on thier views.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 684 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 15):
Well as someone who is half white/ half native I somewhat have mixed feelings on Thanksgiving and Columbus day respectively. I said earlier in a post that I know of natives who think they should have let the pilgrims starve...I dont feel that strongly, but I wish the truth would be taught in school about what really happened and how the pilgrims and europeans in general really screwed over the native american in a big way.

Although not a full-blooded Native Bushpilot... I for one appreciate you sharing your particular perspective about this. There are only two ways for this to proceed in the future. Some say 'leave it as it is...' we all know that isn't going to happen.. as nothing last forever and change is inevitable.

Some would like to see American Indians fade away... and along with them goes the culture (what remains of it), heritage, language and worst of all.. the absolute truth.

The other path is to take it head-on as you suggest and recognize the painful truth, teach it in schools and nationally recognize it as the painful tragedy it is. We should consult the natives on just how to do this. The current version is pretty bogus if not insulting.




Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 15):
Now for Columbus day, I am sure many know of the controversy surrounding Columbus day celebrations. Among my friends and family we have decided to use that Holiday as a day of remembrance and to celebrate native heritage. I would like to see more people look at the day this way, it seems the reason this holiday is still around is because of Italians celebrating Columbus. Whatever the name of the holiday, people should celebrate and or mourn depending on thier views.

Now this one has got to go! Columbus was worse than Jefferson (Preaching liberty and freedom while banging his slave women). Yes he was a daring seaman looking for a shorter route to India and accidentally found the west...but he was conniving scoundrel as well. The damage he inflicted is unspeakable and it sure as hell needs to highlighted in every way possible.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 680 times:

BN747 thanks for the reply. I have a few things to add just for clarification.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 16):
We should consult the natives on just how to do this

I agree to a point. Unfortunatly there are still divisions among tribes and native peoples. Also from what I understand the tribes involved with the pilgrims have been more or less sadly eliminated through attricion and breeding. So that will be easier said than done.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 16):
Now this one has got to go!

In terms of Columbus day, I hear this from native folk all the time...what I say to them is this...take the day off, you deserve it more as a culture than anyone and take that day to reflect on your culture and celebrate your heritage and always always always remember those who came before you and paid the price so that now native peoples can pay less of one.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 16):
along with them goes the culture (what remains of it),

Well im proud to say that much native culture is alive in Alaska and especially where I live in the small communities dotting the western coast. I mean this in terms of still collecting and eating traditional foods, albiet with motorized vehicles and modern tools. But the premise is still there. There isnt any walmart or fast food places out here. Just a small grocery store with wild fish and game along with picked berries are the main staple.
Thanks for your comments though BN747


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