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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

I want to make a poll, specifically about the makeup of female students in the major/field of engineering or similar technical field, even software computer science and the like.

We're they egotistical?

I don't mean that to be a joke or a slam. The fact of the matter is that girls at Embry-Riddle Aero Univ are a minority, making up approximately 10% at most of the total class size, and are or can get extremely egotistical, arrogant and even ignorant about other people very easily.

I'm wondering if it is the major or it is the school that makes them this way?

I had hoped that in real life some of these women would calm down some as the attention here is overwelming. But in their field of expertise, they still are the minority, so nothing has changed -- hence this may be happening elsewhere at other schools.


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User currently offlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2003 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

When I was at Uni we only had 2 girls out of a total of 18 in our Software Engineering lectures.

Both were arrogant bitches who were convinced they were the best programmers and analysts in the world. The truth of the matter is that neither of them could string two lines of code together if their lives depended on it, and their attempts to design any software were laughable.

I ended up line managing one of them at my last job, needless to say i managed to pawn her off to another team before too long. I don't think she stayed long at the company after that, which was no great loss, certainly based on what i saw of her engineering skills - though admittedly she was pretty good at answering the phone.  Smile



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3808 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

At my university there aren't a lot of girls but they don't seem to be like you described...


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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

There is an engineering sorority on campus....They were bottom of the barrel in terms of looks, I hate to say it. They were not egotistical, very nice in fact. But not my type.


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

The campus where I work at is not an engineering school. But my undergrad university certainly was.

I would be careful to characterize the women in engineering programs in a singular fashion. Given that there are so few of them, it seems highly likely that the ones that you do notice are those that are outspoken, egotistical, or whatever. There well could be equal or greate numbers that you do not notice that do not meet any of the criteria you've created.


However with that being said women in engineering and the sciences, especially those with high aspirations, likely are going to be outspoken and sometimes arrogant types. It is how you get noticed and gain respect in an all-boys club.



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 4):
I would be careful to characterize the women in engineering programs in a singular fashion. Given that there are so few of them, it seems highly likely that the ones that you do notice are those that are outspoken, egotistical, or whatever. There well could be equal or greate numbers that you do not notice that do not meet any of the criteria you've created.

I have not interacted with all females on campus and I doubt neither have most of my friends either, but they still make the stereotypical claim which has a tendency to be accurate mainly on the incoming freshmen and sophomores, as you said, the outspoken ones, i.e. loud minority.

I have been in their position before, whenever I have a job, they have been majority female and I get looks and stuff. I can be overwelming but them I'm not there for them.  Smile

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 4):
It is how you get noticed and gain respect in an all-boys club.

I thought this was default by gender?



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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

I went to IIT in Chicago and we had a 7-1 Boys to girls ratio in our school.
This is back in 1995. I wonder what it is now.

PIA777



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

In my days there were Quite a few.But can be a big distraction to us during Football practice,watching us from the stands with those looks  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4264 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Actually, the women I knew in the various engineering programs at SLU were down to earth and very nice. Same for the female pilots. There were a couple here and there that were extremely egotistical, but not at the same level as the guys.

Texan



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16939 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Thread starter):
We're they egotistical?

I found that an abnormally high number of engineers in general, regardless of gender, background, whatever, were socially repulsive. That's one of the many many many reasons I ditched engineering after two years of hating it.

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 3):
But not my type

Translation: they were sea donkeys.



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
Translation: they were sea donkeys.

LOL! But not all.. I hooked up with a girl in Civil Engineering just the other night. She may not be the finest a** around, but she's not quite sea donkey material. They were DDDD's boys, not even kidding....  Wow!


User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 10):
LOL! But not all.. I hooked up with a girl in Civil Engineering just the other night. She may not be the finest a** around, but she's not quite sea donkey material. They were DDDD's boys, not even kidding....

My buddy hooked up with an engineering major, she had a pretty good body from the looks of it, but had a gap in her teeth wide enough to kick a field goal through.



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User currently offlineExarmywarrant From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 10):
LOL! But not all.. I hooked up with a girl in Civil Engineering just the other night. She may not be the finest a** around, but she's not quite sea donkey material. They were DDDD's boys, not even kidding....



Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 11):
My buddy hooked up with an engineering major, she had a pretty good body from the looks of it, but had a gap in her teeth wide enough to kick a field goal through.

And you guys wonder why the girl students have an attitude!?!

 banghead 


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

Quoting Exarmywarrant (Reply 12):
And you guys wonder why the girl students have an attitude!?!

Whaaaa!  cry  Cry me a river.. she didn't seem to complain after the 3rd round...


User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

If I was in a school that was nearly all girls I would probably become a man-whore. When you are given so many choices its kind of hard for the girls (or if you reversed the situation, guys) not to become arrogant or selective.

However I haven't noticed this at my school, probably because we have a much larger college, which our program is a part of, with a more even guy/girl ratio.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16939 posts, RR: 48
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting NorCal (Reply 14):
When you are given so many choices its kind of hard for the girls (or if you reversed the situation, guys) not to become arrogant or selective

Not when the rest of the school has a more normal male/female ratio, and the Textiles/Design school more than makes up for lost Engineering females  Silly.



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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2115 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
I found that an abnormally high number of engineers in general, regardless of gender, background, whatever, were socially repulsive.

We have a winner... I think Mav's observation is dead on. It does seem that a disturbing majority of engineers have both an inflated ego and terrible social skills. Not all, of course... but I don't think I'm out of line in suggesting that it's a majority.

JL



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User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
I found that an abnormally high number of engineers in general, regardless of gender, background, whatever, were socially repulsive.



Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 16):
It does seem that a disturbing majority of engineers have both an inflated ego and terrible social skills.

Our social skills are fine. We just can't stand talking to idiots.




Note: The above was a joke. If, after having read this, you are still jumping to conclusions about engineers, you are, in fact, an idiot.


LY744.



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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2519 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2214 times:
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Quoting PIA777 (Reply 6):
I went to IIT in Chicago and we had a 7-1 Boys to girls ratio in our school.
This is back in 1995. I wonder what it is now.

PIA777

Hey, I go to IIT now and it hasn't changed much. BTW what was your major? Were you able to find a nice job after you graduated?


User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1337 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2197 times:
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The most uppity of the female engineers were the least competent.

The capable female engineers had nothing to prove.



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User currently offlineCleco From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

I started at Riddle, now at Lehigh...the engineering majors at riddle didn't seem too arrogant, very confident though.


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User currently offlineBrettbrett21 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

In my physics class this year (Alevel) there are no girls at all and very few in the other classes.
Last year we had two girls, both very nice and down to earth but also had very strong personallities and were outspoken, a good thing!

Im going on to do Engineering next year and I have no hopes for finding nice, attractive females in my classes...thats what pubs are for!!
I think it'll be better like that anyway, better for the concentration in class.

brett  Smile



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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2119 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 13):
Cry me a river.. she didn't seem to complain after the 3rd round...

Man, that's a lot of batteries.  Wink

Back at WPI in the early 1980's the men outnumbered women by about 20 to 1 (fortunately, Becker Jr. College and the Becker Pecker Wreckers were only a mile away). I'd say it was a mix of nice women at WPI, but some snooty ones as well. Of course, some of the guys were snooty too...


User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2118 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Thread starter):
I don't mean that to be a joke or a slam. The fact of the matter is that girls at Embry-Riddle Aero Univ are a minority, making up approximately 10% at most of the total class size, and are or can get extremely egotistical, arrogant and even ignorant about other people very easily.



Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 1):
Both were arrogant bitches who were convinced they were the best programmers and analysts in the world. The truth of the matter is that neither of them could string two lines of code together if their lives depended on it, and their attempts to design any software were laughable.

At my school (San Diego State) I knew of 10, maybe 15 girls in Engineering (as a whole, across all types mechanical computer aerospace...) but I was not an Engineering major. In CS (my major) I noticed that if you take out the Indian, Chinese/Taiwanese, and Vietnamese people, the ratio is pathetic...probably 20:1. If you include those three groups, it is quite a bit more even...probably 3:2.

I think you are observing a phenomenon that hasn't quite dawned on a lot of people yet...since women perceive that they are outnumbered by a large margin (and they often are) they feel isolated and insecure. They have to show they are "one of the geeks" so to speak and so they are often very outspoken and eager to prove themselves. As bad as it sounds, whenever I see a girl in one of my CS or math classes I AUTOMATICALLY assume she has no talent at all, and I know this is the majority perception among males, even though this has proven to be completely untrue multiple times. Imagine being a women in such a field and having to deal with that perception all the time...it must be very difficult. So what I think you are seeing is a side-effect of that circumstance, nothing more.

-IR


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 23):
I think you are observing a phenomenon that hasn't quite dawned on a lot of people yet...since women perceive that they are outnumbered by a large margin (and they often are) they feel isolated and insecure. They have to show they are "one of the geeks" so to speak and so they are often very outspoken and eager to prove themselves. As bad as it sounds, whenever I see a girl in one of my CS or math classes I AUTOMATICALLY assume she has no talent at all, and I know this is the majority perception among males, even though this has proven to be completely untrue multiple times.

WOW.

I have a Bachelor of Mathematics degree from the top geek school in Canada, the University of Waterloo. I never felt the need to be 'one of the geeks'. In high school math classes the guys felt the need to bring me down. But these were the guys who really weren't that smart. The smart guys respected me and I did them. By the time I got to Waterloo, I knew my own worth and I also knew that I had earned the right to be there. Why should I be someone I'm not? I had already had to become strong and there was no way I was going back.

I went into Waterloo with high marks and scholarships. I had the talent to be there. In fact, I kicked the ass of many of the guys who were in my class. I HIGHLY resent that people would assume that just because of my gender I didn't have the right to be there. I EARNED it.

It is attitudes like these that make it harder for girls to go into math and science.

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 23):
Imagine being a women in such a field and having to deal with that perception all the time...it must be very difficult.

I am incensed just reading it. Do not EVER assume that just because someone's a girl, she is somehow lesser than you or that she has no talent. How awful!



But that was when I ruled the world
25 IRelayer : I think you completely misinterpreted my comment. If you took this as a sleight against women engineers and scientists then that was not my intention
26 ScarletHarlot : Okay, but you also said this, which is what horrifies me. Especially if this has been proven to be untrue, why do you still assume it?
27 IRelayer : Umm...I don't. Maybe I should rephrase that... As bad as it sounds, when I first got to college whenever I saw a girl in one of my CS or math classes
28 ScarletHarlot : Okay. I didn't get anything out of your first post that suggested that you had stopped assuming this. Thanks for the clarification.
29 Vikkyvik : Here in the Aerospace and Mechanical department at USC, it's probably somewhere around 20% girls. Most of the ones I've known over my extended tenure
30 FriendlySkies : I'm pretty sure here at Tech we have 20-30% girls (surprisingly a lot of them are pretty good looking). However, most are in Biology, Chemistry, or Bi
31 USAFHummer : Paging FlyF15... Greg
32 Post contains images Flyf15 : I know nothing about women, let alone women in engineering.
33 USAFHummer : O RLY??? Greg
34 Post contains images Flyf15 :
35 Post contains images Flyf15 : At my school, the engineering college is just like most others, massive amounts of guys compared with girls. Most are total complete nerds that you pr
36 LY744 : Why would you guys want to date another engineer anyways? I've been in engineering for a year and a half and haven't had the slightest interest in any
37 Logan22L : We had a great number of frats at WPI, and we worked hard, and partied harder. On Tuesday "Slimey Dimeys" we would routinely go through 20 kegs. No c
38 Planespotting : im glad i'm in journalism school... that shit is 60-70% female, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.
39 Post contains images Zone1 : I go to an engineering school in Indiana and I would say most of the girls here are pretty good at what they do. I would say a quarter of them are laz
40 PIA777 : Not right afterwards. It took me 6 months. I am still working in the same company (Not as a Mechanical Engineer, most of my co-workers ar EE or compu
41 CaptOveur : Why should they be nice? They can pick and choose the guy they want. This is common in places known as "sausagefests" Well, engineers often times hav
42 TheCoz : When I majored in software engineering, the few girls that were in the class would often whine when things wouldn't go right, and the guy students wou
43 Post contains links IRelayer : I found this article particularly interesting...it is directly related to this thread: http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...uter_science_a_growing_g
44 LOT767-300ER : Thanks for reminding me that i go to ERAU Lehpron...ahahah.. BTW are you in Daytona Beach right now for the holidays? If so feel free to stop by for a
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