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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
Posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

Today, President Bush gave a speech to the Philadelphia World Affairs Council about Iraq and the war on terrorism. The difference today was that after he was finished, he opened it up for questions about anything people wanted to ask. He did an excellent job answering questions candidly and giving people straightforward responses. I thought this was one of the best speeches he's given so far and that he did a perfect job of talking about the issues with the Council afterwards.

Here is a link to the transcribed speech, but it doesn't have the question time written in yet. The best and most powerful portion was the questions, so I will post them when the become available.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/...ranscript.philly.speech/index.html

Overall, outstanding job by the President.  bigthumbsup 


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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

He needs to start doing this regularly. He is one of those guys who has never mastered the art of public speaking, and has therefore resisted doing these sort of conferences, and the left has used this to try to convince people that he is an idiot, controlled by puppet masters like Cheney. He is actually quite intelligent. You don't graduate from Harvard and Yale, and then win every political office you ever run for (is that right?) by being a dummy.

I think the American people don't mind if their president doesn't look completely at ease in front of the cameras. They would forgive that, and a lot more, if they see a president willing to answer questions.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Hate to break it to you guys, but there is nothing new about Bush opening his speeches up to "questions and answers". Don't forget though that the questions he accepts are prescreened or scripted, just like he did for his town hall meetings on social securitiy, Iraq, etc. Until I see the transcript for this session, I won't take it as anything else.


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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5597 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Thread starter):
Overall, outstanding job by the President.

OK, he managed to put together four coherent sentences in six? years and you Bush cheerleaders call it "outstanding"!? I know you can't expect too much from him, but still public speaking is basically a part of his job description so what's the big deal?

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
He is actually quite intelligent.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl  Anyway, thanks for the laugh Charles!

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
the left has used this to try to convince people that he is an idiot

Is he not? They don't need to convince anyone. All you need is watch and listen to him for a while and then make up your mind yourself.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

I watched both the speech and the Q&A session.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 2):
Don't forget though that the questions he accepts are prescreened or scripted

http://www.wacphila.org/about/index.html

"The World Affairs Council of Philadelphia is a private, non-profit, non-partisan educational organization dedicated to creating a more informed citizenry on matters of national and international significance.

Established in 1949 as a forum for discussing differing points of view, the Council does not endorse candidates for public office or lobby for policies. Membership is open to all who share its principles. The Council currently serves over 120 corporate members and their CEOs, and more than 4,000 other executives and individual members."


That pointed out, I did find it interesting that the only question Bush "couldn't hear" was the one on the administration's correlation of Iraq and 9/11 that stopped the applause when he asked if the question could be repeated. It appeared that any part of it was scripted, it was his answer, that is improving as of late. "What 9/11 taught me was ... "

I've attended addresses at World Affairs Councils where Washington leaders have spoken, and it's not the same as a campaign appearance, but I wasn't at this particular one, so I can only speak from experience at others.



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User currently offlineExarmywarrant From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

Interesting that all of the discussions are on the President's style or presentation or method. NOTHING about the substance of his remarks.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Quoting Exarmywarrant (Reply 5):
NOTHING about the substance of his remarks.

I take issue with your assessment.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
It appeared that any part of it was scripted, it was his answer, that is improving as of late. "What 9/11 taught me was ... "



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

Why was this not on last night! I could not fall asleep not matter what! A few minutes of his speech and sleep would have been assured.


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User currently offlineExarmywarrant From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

Point taken. I just get frustrated because it always seems to be about personalities (on both sides). We really need an honest debate about the merits of conservative vs. liberal policies, without the scare tactics and obsfucation...

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

Quoting Exarmywarrant (Reply 8):
Point taken. I just get frustrated because it always seems to be about personalities (on both sides)

I do my best to avoid it, even in the face of many people attempting to use their faulty powers of clairvoyance on my thoughts, without reading what I've posted.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1271 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 3):
Is he not? They don't need to convince anyone. All you need is watch and listen to him for a while and then make up your mind yourself.

Do you really believe that you have to have hollywood-style ease in front of a camera to be intelligent? By your standards, Washington, Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt would have rated pretty poorly - they all had various speech problems. How about Steven Hawking? Just because a person does not have a particular skill that is easily apparent, does not mean that the rest of his brain works at the same level.

I can't remember the date, but I remember Tom Brokaw reporting (after the 2004 election) that military exam records from when Bush and Kerry went to OCS placed both of them in the high 120-130 IQ range, around the 90th percentile. Actually Bush scored a little higher, but not by more than a couple of points (statistically insignificant).

He's no dummy.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1268 times:

The transcript I read of the speech seemed to be better than his usual. (I didn't get to watch it live . . . so I'll refrain from the usual bashing about his oratory art - it is kinda old and dull and repetitive). I would like to see a transcript of the Q&A . . .

Interestingly this wasn't a "Captive Audience" (to coin a phrase regarding his previous speeches) to a military audience. Just a little  stirthepot  there.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1264 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Just a little  stirthepot  there.

Since you opened the door ...  duck 

Bush did make a point of using a "big word" just for Arlen Specter.



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User currently offlineDan-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1252 times:

Speaking as a confirmed "Bush Hater" and "America Hater " sarcastic  I thought his performance during the Q&A was dramatically better than previous outings. He seems conflicted though - at times confident and prepared, yet constantly biting the inside of his cheek.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 13):
confirmed "Bush Hater"

 yes 

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 13):
"America Hater "

 no 

That's why I enjoy the conversation. . . I can tell the difference. Just like Falcon - who wouldn't piss on PotUS if he was on fire. . .

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
even in the face of many people attempting to use their faulty powers of clairvoyance on my thoughts, without reading what I've posted

 Wow!

Can't seem to find a transcipt of the Q&A . . . anyone else?


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
Bush did make a point of using a "big word" just for Arlen Specter.

I thought that was pretty funny.  Big grin

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 13):
I thought his performance during the Q&A was dramatically better than previous outings.

This was the point I was trying to drive in by posting this. I felt like he had a much better time answering the questions today and seemed far more confident in his answers than ever before. It was like he told his advisors to shut the f*ck up and let him answer the questions he wants to, in his way. I though he did a pretty good job at it.



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
How about Steven Hawking? Just because a person does not have a particular skill that is easily apparent, does not mean that the rest of his brain works at the same level.

Comparing Bush to Hawking even in passing shows how deep you have your head shoved up his arse.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
Can't seem to find a transcipt of the Q&A

It might be part of the Real Player stream available on the front page here, or repeated later tonight:

http://www.c-span.org/

Since copies of speeches are handed out prior to them being given, I would assume it'll be a while before the Q&A session is transcribed and posted in text form anywhere.



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User currently offlineDan-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 13):
confirmed "Bush Hater".

Y'know, I agree with most Americans that Bush is a guy they'd like to have a beer with (although he would have to be buying were it him and me at the bar). I just think he's a god-awful president.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
That's why I enjoy the conversation. . . I can tell the difference. Just like Falcon - who wouldn't piss on PotUS if he was on fire. . .

Oh I would...not enough to extinguish the flames of course...(ooops!)


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1227 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17):
I would assume it'll be a while before the Q&A session is transcribed and posted in text form anywhere.

That's correct. Because the Q&A session wasn't planned beforehand, the original transcripts handed out didn't contain it. Hopefully it won't take too long, but I would imagine that it will be a little while before everything is typed up and reviewed for publishing.

Other than that, the audio feed is a good source.  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineDan-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1222 times:

MSNBC has video of a good part of the Q&A.

User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
He needs to start doing this regularly.



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
I think the American people don't mind if their president doesn't look completely at ease in front of the cameras. They would forgive that, and a lot more, if they see a president willing to answer questions.

Wow, two statements from CFalk in the same post that I agree with - I'm going to lose so-called "tolerant liberal" status if I'm not careful -  Wink

I was surprised and pleased to see this. I took exception to the "Knowing what I know now, I'd do the same thing over again" part, but at least he answered the questions posed to him.



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User currently offlineExarmywarrant From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 21):
I took exception to the "Knowing what I know now, I'd do the same thing over again" part, but at least he answered the questions posed to him.

I took that not to mean "I would make every decision exactly the same" but rather if he had known how difficult it would be, he would still have gone in - he felt it was that important!

In every war we've ever fought, there were thousands upon thousands of decisions made that could/should have been made differently. But those "mistakes" had little or no bearing on the legitimacy of the conflict itself.


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

I saw this speech while I was home on lunch. I thought it was one of his better speeches and that his answers were on the mark. He was open and candid. It almost looked like he was running for office again! Quite an impressive speech and an even better Q&A period. I hope we see more of this in the future.


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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 21):
I was surprised and pleased to see this. I took exception to the "Knowing what I know now, I'd do the same thing over again" part, but at least he answered the questions posed to him.



Quoting CX747 (Reply 23):
I thought it was one of his better speeches and that his answers were on the mark. He was open and candid.

The interesting thing is, IMHO, is that Bush often sounds best when not reading a prepared speech. There he sounds wooden. In impromptu interviews and "off-the-record" video I've seen of him, he can be witty and funny (a very backhanded, almost British sense of humor). I simply don't understand why the administration has not used this aspect of his personality to more advantage.

Maybe he's simply one of those guys who is fine in small groups, but as soon as he has to go out on national TV or a major policy speech, he just can't get the fact out of his mind that, "Oh my God, there are MILLIONS of people watching me." A sort of inescapable stage fright.


25 Bushpilot : Being an interested and involved politcal moderate makes me really want to see this happen as well. But I think it is more often the Right who uses s
26 Exarmywarrant : I don't know who McClennan is, but you're right that Gay marriage has nothing to do with the debate on National Health Care. There are a lot of thing
27 Bushpilot : McClennan is the current White House Press Sec. I have nothing against him, he is just a puppet but I did prefer to more casual style of Ari Fliesher
28 Exarmywarrant : If the war was about oil, we would be keeping some of it. Otherwise, what's the point? Revenge? George Bush is the President of the United States. Do
29 CX747 : The point was made earlier, but all we know is that there were no weapons found when we got there. Where they went or if they were ever there to begin
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31 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Excellent post.
32 Post contains images Falcon84 : I beg to differ. I think he's been a lousy president, but it's good to see him at least making an effort to change the tone of the debate. I don't th
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