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User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Posted (13 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

OKay! before everyone goes ape-nuts on me, hear me out. This is to be a moral debate focusing on whether or not "the end justifies the means" I am not promoting concentration camps, but i am posing the question and am interested in your response. Please read all i have to say before giving your opinion.

We know that back in WWII after pearl harbor, all american japaneese people were hearded up and put in concentration camps. Today we call that racist, back then it was in the name of saftey. Why? for two reasons. The first was the saftey of law-abiding japaneese people who may have been subject to racist attacks by angry americans. Second, simply to protect america from attacks from within our borders from rouge japaneese spies or terrorists.

Should we consider doing this with middle-eastern muslims living in america today? or are we too politically correct?

Lets look at some reasons. First of all, Afghanastan has vowed revenge on any country that aids the US including the US. Now how can they follow through without a substantial military?? the answer? just what we saw on tuesday, terrorist attacks from within.

Now, We know that there are actually a few large terrorist factions of Bin Laden currently residing in the US. There is ONLY one way to prevent these people from hurting us, and thats to find them!!!! but how do we do that?

These arent torture camps, keep that in mind, these people will be treated kindly. After the war is over, of course the people are let go back to thier lives, perhaps with compensation from the government for any mental harm. Actually its pretty much "racial profiling" on a grand scale. By rounding up all the Arabs and middle-eastern people we are pretty much assured of finding the majority of terrorists living in the US.

But yes, this is rather inhumane, there is no question. But if we dont do something like this (which is inhumane, as i stated) we are risking more american lives.

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A seperate point. Does anyone remember when russia tried to wipe out afghanastan? they got thier asses kicked, those woosie little afgans killed over 100,000 soviets, thats double what we lost in vietnam. These people are no push-over. There are afghan terrorists living all over, if we go bomb their country, THERE WILL BE AMERICAN LIVES LOST. It may be a small price to pay (concentration camps) for freedom and preservation of our lives.

Once again, im not saying the end justifies the means here, but its worth thinking about..


CHRIS

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User currently offlineCstarU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

OKay! before everyone goes ape-nuts on me

Bullshit.


Why? for two reasons. The first was the saftey of law-abiding japaneese people who may have been subject to racist attacks by angry americans. Second, simply to protect america from attacks from within our borders from rouge japaneese spies or terrorists.

Yeah right.  Yeah sure The primary reason was for their safety. Hey, I have bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Wanna buy it?


These arent torture camps, keep that in mind, these people will be treated kindly. After the war is over, of course the people are let go back to thier lives, perhaps with compensation from the government for any mental harm. Actually its pretty much "racial profiling" on a grand scale. By rounding up all the Arabs and middle-eastern people we are pretty much assured of finding the majority of terrorists living in the US.

Why be politically correct on your point of view? Why concentration camp, you're just wasting money? Why not just drag 'em out in the streets and kill all of 'em--You know...the Final Solution.

 Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

What do you do to mixed-race people? Aren't they worse because they bastardized the white race? Right Chris?

 Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure


User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

If we do that to Muslim or Arab Americans, the USA will cease to be the land of the free. The terrorists would then have achieved their goal of destroying the very fabric of our nation. Do you want them to win this conflict? If we put our own citizens in concentration camps, would America, the home of democracy, still exist?

Your hare-brained plan would not save any lives, just as the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII saved no lives. It would, however, end America's role as the world's MORAL superpower. You would undoubtedly forever destroy the very democratic notions this country is based on.

These people are American citizens, just like you and I are. If we put them in concentration camps, we would be perpetrating one of the largest MORAL crimes in our nation's history. After all, all American citizens have been created equal!

Nations all around the world look up to the US as a role model when it comes to human rights. If we do what you are suggesting, we would lose the support of EVERY SINGLE ally in the world (and perhaps every single individual as well). We would no longer be the world's symbol of freedom and democracy. Are you sure you would want to destroy America just to get a sense of extra security?

We can make Americans feel safer by increasing security, but I'm shocked any "civilized" human being would suggest something so barbarious, so fundamentally un-American.


User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

Nations all around the world look up to the US as a role model when it comes to human rights

Excuse me?! And what about your death penalty?



Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineToady From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1158 times:

And the treatment of the Native Americans?

User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1156 times:

OO-AOG,

Yes, in some countries, the death penalty is considered a human right violation, just as many Americans would consider some European press laws a violation of the right to free speech.

But that isn't the point here. The fact is that America's democratic system is admired around the world. There is no such thing as a perfect democracy... but America is about as good as it gets.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

NO!!! If we repeat such a shameful episode in our history, then we haven't learned a damn thing. Don't let your blown-out-of-proportion racial fears get the best of you.

User currently offlineCstarU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1151 times:

NO!!! If we repeat such a shameful episode in our history, then we haven't learned a damn thing.

Right on.

That's was the thought that I was going to convey, but my emotions got a hold of me. I apologize for the gut reaction on my part. Whew! I feel better now.  Smile


Thanks, Alpha1


User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1137 times:

PHX-LJU

I don't want to make an issue here but:

Death penalty IS a human right violation whatever the country is.
Feel free to follow the below link if you wanna know what Amnesty International has to say on the subject

http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/COUNTRIES/USA?OpenView&expandall

So for the model, USA would not be my first choice.



Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineMilldoh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

OO-AOG: First of all, this isn't about the death penalty. Second, there are problems with all foms of government. I for one am against the death penalty, but for other reasons. If you say "that country is bad / not as good as others / despicable" because of one aspect of its government, you need to learn more than a bit about government.

As for the concentration camps, I too am against them. While it may prevent more attacks from within, it would come at the cost of our freedom - the right the terrorists themselves are trying to take from us.


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Oh, God, PLEASE NO CONCENTRATION CAMPS!

redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

NO!!! The reasons why this is an extremely bad idea were well explained by other members. I would like to add that I am not entirely sure this kind of policy would ensure America's safety.

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

OO-AOG, right now we couldn't give a flying F**k if the USA would be your first choice or not, or if you don't like the death penalty, so clam up.

User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

I can't beleive that such a topic comes up, it's downright disgusting.

Why? for two reasons. The first was the saftey of law-abiding japaneese people who may have been subject to racist attacks by angry americans

Excuse me? please refrain from posting such B.S.


User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

sheessh. okay... im totally playing devils advocate with this one... trying to push your buttons, make you guys THINK  Big thumbs up read objectively, please....

If we do what you are suggesting,...

i was not making a suggestion!! i made that clear!! i will, however, make my suggestion at the end of this post.....

Your hare-brained plan would not save any lives, just as the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII saved no lives.

wheres your proof that it didnt save any lives? it didnt cost any!

It would, however, end America's role as the world's MORAL superpower. You would undoubtedly forever destroy the very democratic notions this country is based on

Now wait a second. You have no proof whatsoever for that statement. Truth is, going into WWII the USA's military was ranked at 19th in the world!! Blacks and whites used different drinking fountains, etc... during WWII like i mentioned, they used camps, since then we are now the #1 military super-power, and a racial melting pot of the world..... the two have no correlation, im just stating those facts to dismiss your bogus prophecy  Smile

Some people dont seem to understand, these guys that did this to us last tuesday were everyday-american citizens. They had wives, and children who went to public schools and neighbors who said "they were such nice people!" Im sorry, but no ordinary person can differentiate between a skilled terrorist and an honest american citizen. That bothers me. When we go bomb their homeland, they are gonna kill more people from right here in america. Sealing our borders wont help, they're already here, they have the money, the training, and whats worse, is the hatred that will drive them to further terrorism against the US.

This is a war like no other we have ever experienced. We are not fighting against a state or country. We are fighting groups of individuals who hide in the shadows, they have no morals. The only way to eliminate this enemy, is dig them out of their shadows.

Thier biggest advantage is that we go by the rules, and morals, and they dont have to.

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what everyone is waiting for:

my suggestion!

There is a HUGE difference between discrimination and "racial profiling". I honestly think that concentration camps during WWII was useless. We were fighting japaneese military in JAPAN... the difference here is that we are fighting a war against someone who has large powerful hidden factions right here in America.

I believe that it is in our best interests to investigate all citizens who have any ties whatsoever in any fashion to the middle east. All immigrants legal or illegal. because this is a monumental task, it is only logical to start with Arabic and muslim people. Im sorry if you think thats racist, if you have half a brain you'll realize its not. Most arab-americans wont even notice a difference, if they have lived in america thier entire life, they wont even recieve a phone call.

Folks, you gotta understand, the only way for them to fight us in a war, is NOT attack our military, but to attack our innocent civilians from within. Their strategy is to blend in, to appear like a normal citizen. Armed with this information, how would you neutralize this threat??


CHRIS


User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

Alpha1

Exactly you see my point, you dont give a F**K of what we think, that's all your problem. Big grin

Milldoh

What PHX-LJU wrote was not correct and I was just underlining it, that's it..



Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineDasa From East Timor, joined Aug 2001, 760 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1081 times:

Calm down people.

User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1081 times:

Should we consider doing this with middle-eastern muslims living in america today?

I find this statement offensive. Do you understand the term "over reaction"?





VH-ADG


User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (13 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1073 times:

Well, let's even assume that the government would disregard its own constitution and carry out such a plan, how would you implement it? How do you go about measuring someone's Middle-Eastern-ness? What would you use, looks, religion, dress? Who would qualify as being Middle-Eastern? What about second, third generations? Would they be half an Arab, or perhaps a quarter? Do they then go to a lower security concentration camp?

Even disregarding the racially despicable nature of this plan, this idea is extremely impractical at best. Our government is sworn to protect its citizens, not just White citizens, but ALL citizens.


User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (13 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1060 times:

Let's all pretend that Chris28_17 never opened his mouth. He has outlined his self as the most retarded member here in the forums. I am Swedish & Palestinian. What if we were at war with Sweden also? Would I be bounced back between Swedish & Palestinian concentration camps?  Confused

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1055 times:

Hey RealHigh, since you have posted, give me an email. I have been trying to contact you forever, but I cant because you dont' have your email public. Send me an email so it will stay private.


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User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (13 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1052 times:

Tbar220, I send you an e-mail.

Let me tell you now, No flirting!  Smile


User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (13 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1050 times:

. He (chris) has outlined his self as the most retarded member here in the forums.

wow, your vote of confidence is noted and appreciated... you quite obviously did not read everything i had to say in my posts as i pleaded with the audience to do. I never at any point suggested we actually make concentration camps. The point was a very extreme example of why it may be good to consider a small form of "racial profiling" which about 98% of you people on this forum have absolutely no earthy idea what that term truly means.


I find this statement offensive. Do you understand the term "over reaction"?


once again, here is another person who did not read my entire posts.

RealHigh was probably right, i "never should have opened my mouth". You guy's brains are so closed it was pointless for me to try and get them to think objectively.

i apologize, please remind me never again to post things that are intellectually challenging...



CHRIS


User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (13 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1049 times:

Concentration Camps?

Intellectually challenging?

Do think this is some sort of joke?

Have you ever meet a person who survived a concentration camp?
Have you met a Jewish holocaust survivor or Japanese internment camp survivor?

Get real dude!


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (13 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1041 times:

Check your mail realhigh.


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25 Ikarus : Chris28_17: Watch the movie "Under Siege" - it is about exactly the thing you describe. But let's just take this (ridiculous, inhumane, bollocks, outr
26 9A-CRO : do you know that one german muslim (I mean real German) was arrested while preparing for suicide terrorist attack against Israel - so if arab terroris
27 Prebennorholm : This concentration camp issue made some Europeans pick Americans in the nose with death penalty or capital punishment (CP). Some US states exercise CP
28 Chris28_17 : REALHIGH! you must be very high becuase you STILL havent read my previous posts beyond skimming them.. Have you ever meet a person who survived a conc
29 Post contains images VirginLover : Only girl? Ahem.... There's so much anger, so much blinding rage, it's only natural to think of this idea. Hell, I admit that I thought of it myself.
30 PHX-LJU : Great points, Ikarus!
31 Twaneedsnohelp : Chris, its a bad idea, because its against what our country stands for and truthfully won't prevent attacks. It will only make our country more divisi
32 Klaus : Introducing concentration camps (shudder!) would have one certain consequence: It would drive a good number of originally law-abiding and patriotic am
33 Blink182 : No, because there are probably wayyyyyyyyy more innocent than guilty. Now, if it is factual that they have proven someone guilty, there is a dorm call
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