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Death Penalty And Penal Reforms  
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

With "Tookie" Williams now pushing up the daisies, I'd like to bring up one reason why so many people support the death penalty these days. I am pro-death penalty, but I would be willing to give up that stand if certain reforms were instituted.

I feel that prison nowadays is way too easy. You have lots of time to goof off, lift weights, watch TV, hang out with your buddies and teach each other how to make shiv-knives and pick locks for the day when you get out. The worst criminals (like "Tookie"), actually have the best time of it, and wimpy guys learn to take on a tough guy image unless they wanna become someone's bitch. Finally, you almost never serve the time sentenced. 10 years becomes 4 years and out for "good behaviour" (meaning you didn't kill anyone in prison).

That is why I and many others support the death penalty, because it is the closest punishment you can have that somewhat can attone for the horrific crimes that these people commit (like "Tookie").

But I would be willing to say no to capital punishment IF the following reforms were made:

1) Prison reinstitutes hard labor. By hard labor, that means farming fields, laying asphalt for roads, working in a quarry or a mine. It should be tough, back-breaking work for 6 days per week, 8 to 12 hours per day. The rest of the time they are in their cells or at the mess hall.

2) Eliminate the parole system. If you get sentenced to 10 years, by God you will serve 10 years, and not a day less.

Firstly, these reforms will allow prisoners to work for their food and lodging, and give a little payback to society for their misdeeds. Secondly, it makes prison to be a very unpleasant experience for guys who, let's face, have a problem with the work effort. Many of these habitual jailbirds are there because they were too lazy to work at school or to do a regular job. Prison life should be far, far worse than working in a grocery store for minimum wage.

So what do you guys think?

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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

Good ideas.
Not sure if the hard labour is needed though, boredom is a worse punishment.
So lock them in their cells with no TV or radio for 20+ hours a day.
And no luxury hotel rooms as cells either like we have now, back to the bare concrete walls and floors with rough wooden slabs and thin straw mattresses.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter):
So what do you guys think?

My observation is that you've left out the opportunity for an inmate to be rehabilitated. Jail isn't supposed to be all about being punitive. You can also use confinement time to help turn someone around who doesn't know how to do it themselves.



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User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Seems like jails/prisons these days are nothing more than a school for thugs. Inside they learn better tricks of the trade. Solitary in a 6x6 with no TV and only books to read 24 hrs a day would work for me. With any luck, they will off themselves, and be less a burden on society.


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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

The only thing the posts above prove is that neither poster has a clue what they are talking about, and would be screaming the loudest should they find themselves in the situation they seem to want for everyone else.

Prison is removal of liberty and the ability to make one's own decisions. That alone is a serious imposition on the life of a prisoner. Making it extremely hard whilst inside just breeds resentment and violence. Just like a death sentence never deterred a single murderer, extreme prison conditions will never deter a criminal when they commit the crime.

There needs to be a tradeoff between tough and bearable. Physical exercise is one useful way prisoners can burn off excess nervous and physical energy. And you want it stopped?

Hard labour is equally bullshit. It never reformed anyone. Work should be compulsory, but so should access to learning skills and education. Prisons are "correctional" facilities or hadn't you noticed the name before?

In charitable works, if you feed a man he is full for one day. Help him to grow or fish for his own food and he need not go hungry again. Hard labour and work with purpose are the same. Educate and train prisoners and they have alternatives. But you want that stopped too?

Nice cushy cells too. Have you been in one? Nope, didn't think so. Most blowhards spout on about what they know nothing about. So you want a prisoner locked in a bare room for 20+ hours on end, emerging resentful and ready to blow up at the slightest provocation? Oh yes, as long as you aren't the guard who gets his face smashed, of course.

Prisoners make their cells into their own little anchor in life. Take that away and they drift. Someone like that will emerge from prison violent and resentful, and someone else will get the full force of that resentment. But hey, as long as you reichtards can sit inside your gated communities and let someone else do your dirty work then that's fine by you. Isn't it?

Grow up.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter):
Finally, you almost never serve the time sentenced.

Proof? And not just some isolated example.

Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter):
2) Eliminate the parole system.

Last I checked, prison was also about rehabilitation, not just punishment.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):
And no luxury hotel rooms as cells either like we have now

Proof? Not some isolated example either.

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 3):
Seems like jails/prisons these days are nothing more than a school for thugs. Inside they learn better tricks of the trade.

Where did you get this idea? From television? I'm curious where you came up with these conclusions.

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Personally, I'm completely opposed to death penalty. Sure we need jail reform, I also feel we need some reform in our justice system, considering that 3% of our population is in JAIL. Says something is screwy in our society if you ask me.



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

I'm all for prison reform and death penalty reform.

First off, the appeals process needs to be drastically cut down time wise. A prisoner should not sit on death row for 20 plus years. Whats the point?

Inside the prisons themselves...it should be a jail period. Not a free college. Not a movie theater. Nothing like that. Perks like watching T.V., listening to the radio, watching a movie, being able to take college classes should all be dependent on inmate behavior. Fuck up once, kiss those privileges goodbye for a fair amount of time. A system of classes should be set up that inmates would have to attend, some based on their crimes, others on just general life situations. Interaction like this could help rehabilitate and at a minimum make it easier to see if an inmate is bettering himself or BSing his way through. Don't take class seriously, or pay attention, or do whatever work is involved...kiss your privileges goodbye. Also, hard labor should be the norm. Chain Gangs should be prominent. Look, if you don't want to be part of a Chain Gang...then don't break the law. Prison shouldn't be easy.


User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 4):
So you want a prisoner locked in a bare room for 20+ hours on end, emerging resentful and ready to blow up at the slightest provocation?

Yes, and then the word gets out that prison sucks, and repeat offenders and first time offenders straighten up.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 4):
Prisoners make their cells into their own little anchor in life. Take that away and they drift. Someone like that will emerge from prison violent and resentful, and someone else will get the full force of that resentment. But hey, as long as you reichtards can sit inside your gated communities and let someone else do your dirty work then that's fine by you. Isn't it?

Puh-leez. So touchy-feely. I can let someone else do my dirty work, because my taxes support those retards in jail.

Maybe we can have them make curtains, or maybe write books on cell decoration suggestions. Sorry bub, not on my dime.

Make prison time HARD. Make them never want to come back. Let the criminal community know if they get locked up it is going to be nightmare.



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User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 6):
Inside the prisons themselves...it should be a jail period.

Agreed. These humps live better than most of us law abiding folks.

Personally, I feel that if you have irrefutable proof of the crime, i.e. video or several trust worthy people, then it should be right to Death Row w/a short date in the chair, or gas chamber, or whatever.

[Edited 2005-12-13 20:24:05]


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
My observation is that you've left out the opportunity for an inmate to be rehabilitated. Jail isn't supposed to be all about being punitive. You can also use confinement time to help turn someone around who doesn't know how to do it themselves.

Depending on the infraction that got you there in the first place, I'd agree.

Many thoughts on jail, hard labor, no labor, death penalty . . . .

Death Penalty: As I mentioned in Tookie's thread. I'm a death penalty supporter. But I would most certainly like to see serious reforms, on a national scale, with the way it's treated.

a) Eliminate the endless series of Appeals. You get your one shot at each level of Jurisdiction - not to exceed a period of 24 months (total time, not per jurisdiction) - and then you're done.
b) In order to recieve the death penalty you must - MUST - have at least two of the following against you:
a. Your own admission.
b. Concrete DNA evidence.
c. More than two - not less than two - non-prejudiced EYE-witnesses.
d. Other evidence including but not limited to fingerprints, weapon(s), video/audio tape(s), photograph(s), etc.

Hard Labor: For most minor felony (can you have minor felonies?) crimes, hard labor can be productive. Do the time, work hard, get out. I'm not opposed to chain gangs (without the chains) cleaning the streets, mowing the grass in an interstate median, doing projects to better the community that will save tax payers the $$$.

No Hard Labor: For those with Life in Prison - incorrigibles - no chance of rehabilitation - solitary confinement. No work out room, no chain gangs, no nothing - except the SCotUS mandated cable television.

Parole: There are crimes that should amass a punishment with no chance for parole . . . and there are those that should allow for it. Minor Felony convictions (theft w/o a weapon, etc), should allow for the person to rehabilitate themselves and allow for their early return to society if the parole board deems them fit.

Back to the Death Penalty.

One of the reasons I do not think it's as big a deterrant to crime as some speculate is because of situations just as we had with Tookie - twenty years of appeals with a decent chance (although not in this case) of clemency. Start carrying out the sentences swiftly and with extreme prejudice, not only will we see a drop in crime (I'm convinced of that) but save some money in the long run.

[Edited 2005-12-13 20:23:24]

User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
Where did you get this idea? From television? I'm curious where you came up with these conclusions.

Um, yes. Plus numerous articles in the local paper: http://www.timesdispatch.com search for Richmond City Jail. Plus, I have a family member who has enjoyed the hospitality of the state. Luckily he has improved his life since his visit.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
Proof? And not just some isolated example.

In this country BY LAW inmates get out after 2/3 of their sentence unless they get bad marks for behaviour (which pretty much means an escape attempt).

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
Proof? Not some isolated example either.

Private television in every cell, every cell has its own toilet and shower, etc. etc.
Maybe not in all prisons but in this country that's the norm.

Many people have it better in prison than on the outside.
Better living conditions, 3 quality meals a day, and a guaranteed income (yes, they get paid here).



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User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

I would support your reforms if it was proven to have results after, say, 5 or 10 years.

One thing I think is important is to ask why you want them to go to prison:

>punish them
>keep them away from society/to keep you safe
>reform them - teach them to abide by society's rules

Except for serious violent offenders, I personally get no satisfaction from punishing them, but most people do. I think the main thing is to reform them and whatever accomplishes this is what I would support.

Right now the system is a complete failure: prison just breeds better criminals and costs a fortune to maintain. Maybe severe work-crew prison for violent offenders but some real efforts at real reform for everyone else?

Cairo


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3085 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter):
) Prison reinstitutes hard labor. By hard labor, that means farming fields, laying asphalt for roads, working in a quarry or a mine

In country that is outsourcing its middle class these are high paying jobs...Is it fair to have basically free labour competing with capitialist businesses?


As said in the last thread i would also add the reform that snitches...jail house informants and plea bargains of co defendants would automatically make the accused ineligiable for the DP.
Plus no circumstancial evidence.

Also poor defendants accused of a capital offence would get good council and not the third rate defenders they seem to get now...

GS



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
My observation is that you've left out the opportunity for an inmate to be rehabilitated. Jail isn't supposed to be all about being punitive.

Prison's primary purpose is to keep predators off the street and away from decent folk. The second reason is show the offender that his crime was not worth the price he paid (years of hard labor). That's all prison needs to do.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 4):
Prison is removal of liberty and the ability to make one's own decisions. That alone is a serious imposition on the life of a prisoner.

To SOME people. To others it's no big deal, and they can have plenty of fun in the joint as well. It should be hell for everyone.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 4):
Physical exercise is one useful way prisoners can burn off excess nervous and physical energy. And you want it stopped?

Not at all. There is no better exercise than hard physical labor. By the time they get back to their cells, they will be too tired to start any shit.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 4):
Prisons are "correctional" facilities or hadn't you noticed the name before?

Political correctness of the same sort that calls janitors "custodial engineers". You correct a criminal's behaviour by making him want to be absolutely certain that he never wants to go back to jail. He should be so afraid of more jail time by the time he gets out, he will walk (or run) away if anyone offers him a chance to participate in any crime.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 4):
Work should be compulsory, but so should access to learning skills and education.



Bull. They had their chance at education - free public schooling has been available for generations. Now it's time to pay the piper.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 4):
Someone like that will emerge from prison violent and resentful, and someone else will get the full force of that resentment.

I want him coming out of prison a BROKEN man! I want him to be timid in the face of societal authority. If he comes out of jail with an attitude of any kind, prison was not hard enough on him.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
Proof? And not just some isolated example.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pandp.htm

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
I also feel we need some reform in our justice system, considering that 3% of our population is in JAIL. Says something is screwy in our society if you ask me.

Absolutely. That means that 3% at any one time (plus all those who served time and were freed) considered their crimes to be worth the risk of incarceration. The way to change that is by raising the price.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
I'm not opposed to chain gangs (without the chains) cleaning the streets, mowing the grass in an interstate median, doing projects to better the community that will save tax payers the $$$.

I would keep the chains. A little shame will do them good.

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 13):
In country that is outsourcing its middle class these are high paying jobs...Is it fair to have basically free labour competing with capitialist businesses?

There are always jobs that they can do. The government handed out jobs programs in the 1930s that served society, like Hoover Dam. There are plenty of roads, brdges, dams, mines and quarries that could be useful but are too expensive to do normally. Like that bridge to nowhere in Alaska that some Congressmen wanted to build. If we don't have to pay so much for certain projects, they can be built.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 14):
Prison's primary purpose is to keep predators off the street and away from decent folk. The second reason is show the offender that his crime was not worth the price he paid (years of hard labor). That's all prison needs to do.

I'll repeat what WhiteHatter had to say on this subject earlier:

Prisons are "correctional" facilities or hadn't you noticed the name before?



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
Prisons are "correctional" facilities or hadn't you noticed the name before?

Ever heard of "the Rod of Correction"?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 16):
Ever heard of "the Rod of Correction"?

Is that what they used on Michael Fay?



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 4):

The most useful reply on a.net for quiet some time. I think helping them to live a proper life when they get out is way more useful then destroying them while in prison. The latter would only lead to more crime when they are out.

Quoting KROC (Reply 6):
Not a free college.

Why are they in prison? Mostly because they have no education (Williams couldn't even read or write) which has the consequence of having no perspective in normal life, which forces people into crime. When they are in jail, they should be able to learn something, so that they can get along in an honest way when they get out.

Quoting Beefstew25 (Reply 7):
Make prison time HARD. Make them never want to come back. Let the criminal community know if they get locked up it is going to be nightmare.

It'll be a nightmare to meet people out of the nightmare.

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 8):
Agreed. These humps live better than most of us law abiding folks.

What kind of life are you living? Are you jealous of the inmates? Says a lot about your life.

I can't even imagine what life in a prison would be like. I already hated the lack of freedom when I was in the army.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
No Hard Labor: For those with Life in Prison - incorrigibles - no chance of rehabilitation - solitary confinement. No work out room, no chain gangs, no nothing - except the SCotUS mandated cable television.

Nobody should live like that, everybody should have a chance for rehabilitation.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Start carrying out the sentences swiftly and with extreme prejudice, not only will we see a drop in crime (I'm convinced of that) but save some money in the long run.

Start working on the routes of crime, that should lower crime. The US has a way higher murder rate than a country like Germany. Death penalty against 15 years of prison. Ever thought about that?

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 11):
Many people have it better in prison than on the outside.

Interesting perception, maybe you should try prison for a while.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 11):
Better living conditions, 3 quality meals a day, and a guaranteed income (yes, they get paid here).

They get paid here, too. But they earn less per day than a normal person per hour. And I think it is fair to pay them, if what they produce can be sold. Besides, what can they really do with the money? Order from an over-expensive delivery service?

Quoting Cairo (Reply 12):
Except for serious violent offenders, I personally get no satisfaction from punishing them, but most people do.

That's the problem, a lot of people just seem to feel this urge to punish. I wonder what went wrong in their lives.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 12):
Right now the system is a complete failure: prison just breeds better criminals

If it does that, then something is going very wrong.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
Nobody should live like that, everybody should have a chance for rehabilitation.

Why? Didn't give the victim he/she murdered that chance. Like I said . . . there are some crimes that deserve nothing more. And you will notE I said the incorrigibles . . . that doesn't include everyone. I would suggest the multiple offenders, the capital offenders. I left room for rehabilitation, but not much.

The way I see it, the victims of these capital crimes - usually dead victims - didn't get a chance, and I don't think the perpatrator thereof should be able to walk about the planet in 15-20 years able to continue their lives either.

It's a fundamental difference of opinion and interpretation you and I have that won't be resolved in this thread or a hundred others.

Edit: Typos

[Edited 2005-12-14 00:33:38]

User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 4):
Just like a death sentence never deterred a single murderer, extreme prison conditions will never deter a criminal when they commit the crime.

I agree 100%

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
considering that 3% of our population is in JAIL. Says something is screwy in our society if you ask me.

Yeah plenty of these folks are in for non-violent drug offenses.

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 13):
In country that is outsourcing its middle class these are high paying jobs...Is it fair to have basically free labour competing with capitialist businesses?

I would say not, but I dont really think prison labor is making even the slightest dent in quality, quantity or lowering the price or causing more outsourcing. I am surprised large corporations like Nike and such who pay thier employees overseas nothing havent realized that most prisoners in thier jail jobs make 20cents an hour. I think that is cheaper or close to the price they pay thier juvenile employees. Plus think of the street cred Nike would get by having the newest "Lebrons" made in the joint!

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 14):
Like that bridge to nowhere in Alaska that some Congressmen wanted to build. If we don't have to pay so much for certain projects, they can be built.

Just a little clarification about these bridges. They arent to nowhere. Right now half of the poppulation of Alaska, myself included do not have a road connecting thier community to others. These are vital infastructure and this whole thing about them being bridges to nowhere is totally false.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
I can't even imagine what life in a prison would be like. I already hated the lack of freedom when I was in the army.

Sounds like you are a bit spoiled. Many people love the army and spend their entire careers there.

I'm impressed at your complete lack of willingness to compromise. The idea of this thread was that some of us are ready to renounce our support for the death penalty, but only if prisons are made to be more difficult, in order to provide a deterant.

But you insist on not punishing these bastards. Why?


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 11):
Better living conditions, 3 quality meals a day, and a guaranteed income (yes, they get paid here).

40 cents an hour!! rotfl 

Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter):
I feel that prison nowadays is way too easy. You have lots of time to goof off, lift weights, watch TV, hang out with your buddies and teach each other how to make shiv-knives and pick locks for the day when you get out. The worst criminals (like "Tookie"), actually have the best time of it, and wimpy guys learn to take on a tough guy image unless they wanna become someone's bitch. Finally, you almost never serve the time sentenced. 10 years becomes 4 years and out for "good behaviour" (meaning you didn't kill anyone in prison).

Wow, you seem to know alot! Except that this is all incorrect. Have you ever been?


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 22):
Wow, you seem to know alot! Except that this is all incorrect. Have you ever been?

I've visited Swiss prisons. They are like cheap tourist hotels (but in good condition.)


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 23):
I've visited Swiss prisons.

Be careful, Cfalk ... Fuman has been seen in pink boxers as a guest of Maricopa Co. He has a story to tell.



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25 Fumanchewd : I have both visited and "visited" US prisons and thats not the case. A lot of prisons in the states no longer allow weights, pornography, or smoking.
26 Post contains images Fumanchewd : Wise ass I've done some state time too. Some of it was max. I also have a brother who has been in for 15 years. I've visited him at a number of facil
27 AeroWesty : This should be good. Cfalk vs. Fuman. I'm making popcorn. I'll even share.
28 Post contains images Fumanchewd : I don't mean to be confrontational, I'm sure that Cfalk's experiences are true for Swiss prison- its just that I always hear people's opinions of how
29 Jwenting : That'd never pay for their cocaine... Earlier this year prison inmates here went on strike for better conditions, they demanded retirement pay I beli
30 StevenUhl777 : Definitely bring back the chain gangs. I'm all for it. Nahhh...if the inmate is really trying to be on his/her best behavior and being a "model priso
31 Thorben : Just because they did wrong doesn't mean that we have to do wrong, too. Everybody deserves to have the chance to improve themself and become a contri
32 ANCFlyer : Agreed. Wrong is perception. Your perception: Death penalty is wrong. My perception: Death Penalty is not wrong. Round and round we go. Negative. Man
33 KROC : Why are they in prison? because they commited a crime. Not having an education doesn't mean one has to kill, steal, rape, whatever. Its just not an e
34 WellHung : Huh, huh, huh. You said penal... Unfortunately it will be difficult to convert the majority since so many sickos support the death penalty because the
35 Ctbarnes : Well, the death penalty has long been disproved that it is a deterrent, and whether it is justice or not is debatable. And dancing on the graves of t
36 Thorben : ANC, you've been doing any dancing classes lately? (Because you always speak of going round and round.) OK. If they are locked up for a very long time
37 KROC : If you execute someone who say killed 3 or 4 or 10 people, how is it not justice? The killer took it upon himself to decide whether people should liv
38 Cfalk : You cannot do that. Recall the big scandal in NY a few weeks ago when the governor refused to release prisoners because their sentances were over, bu
39 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Disagree . . . . Some will, some won't. Did Tookie apologize for his actions? Nope . . . . The screwball nutcases that prey on kids and kill for fun
40 Post contains links Thorben : Over here you can. When people are considered too dangerous they can be put in a detention after their sentence is over. (Has to be ordered by courts
41 Banco : As I understand it, he always denied guilt throughout the period he was in gaol. Now, generally speaking I concur with you that many don't, but when
42 Post contains links ANCFlyer : You "guess"? Theory or fact? Even if it's supported with a source, how can you be sure? Would you want to be the person that signed the release paper
43 Post contains images 9VSPO : No shit Sherlock! I must admit, I saw the pics in the papers today of the chamber where the guy was executed and it was pretty horrific and scary. Ye
44 Luv2fly : The simple fact that they chose to act like animals and that fact got them into jail to begin with, they should be treated like how they acted, if it
45 9VSPO : So let's imagine for one second, you wake up tomorrow and are accused for a crime you are innocent of. The evidence is there but you know you are inn
46 Post contains images Banco : Now, now. As a Brit you're supposed to be more than aware of the power of understatement.
47 Ctbarnes : Justice can also be about living into old age with the reality and implications of what one did weighing on your conscience. The death penalty in thi
48 MD11Engineer : Here prisoners will have to work, if possible, either for the upkeep of the prison itself (prison laundry shop, kitchen, cleaning) or in special shop
49 Cfalk : You assume that everyone has a concience. Some people do not.
50 9VSPO : I'll repeat what I said.....
51 Ctbarnes : Everyone does has a conscience. The question is how does it get formed? Charles, SJ
52 Post contains images Thorben : Rather not, that's why I didn't choose that kind of job. And the return rate of murderers who have had 15 years in prison in Germany is really extrem
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