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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

Despite India's cruising against SL in the 2nd test, I'm in a particularly curmudgeonly mood today, and decided to rant about these imbeciles, including the spineless jellyfish Ehsan Mani and the moron Malcolm Speed. Who want to collaborate and pick a few rotten tomatoes and eggs, and join me in hurling them at the ICC ? A subset of incidents:

Ignored real issues:
* The Zimbabwean cricket team has been summarily gutted by Messrs Chingoka et al, their players, white and black, chased out and threatened with death, and the ICC sucks its thumb and buries its head.
* Bangladesh still couldn't beat the Batliboi second XI in the Bombay domestic cricket and still gets to play test cricket.
* The Windies are in terminal decline, and once Lara retires, it will worsen. A sad tale for a team with such a storied history.

Ridiculous hogwash:
* Speed goes way out of his line to 'caution' the Aussies and Proteas for their verbal sparring before the first test this Friday.
* Players (most recently Shoaib Akhtar ?) getting fined because their bat/flannel logo is a trifle large.
* Assorted fines and bans for overappealing and sundries.

Please feel free to add more or elaborate on the above.


India, cricket junior and senior world champions
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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1150 times:

Hang on a minute. This is all stuff I've been banging on about for ages!

What goes on? You usually defend them against my rants, especially viz. Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and whingeing about trivialities.

Have you finally seen the light?  duck  Big grin



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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1147 times:

Now's not the time to gloat, Banco. This is a solemn occasion that calls for appropriate decorum and dignified behavior. Please hold your back straight and your chin up as you pass the tray of rotten tomatoes around.

Here's my solution for all the ICC's ills: Jagmohan Dalmiya for President (we need to keep him away from BCCI)! Big grin



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 2):
Here's my solution for all the ICC's ills: Jagmohan Dalmiya for President (we need to keep him away from BCCI)!

Oh, and you were doing sooo well until then.

Never mind.  Wink

Incidentally, re: the upcoming India-England series, what do you think of the proposed itinerary? There's a certain irony that just when the English authorities finally stop acting like the pompous twits they've been for 30 years, the Indian board kicks them in the goolies, don't you think?



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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1136 times:

Ah yes, the English itinerary. There's certainly a degree of crude vindictiveness in it, but then it is unreasonable to expect a series with all matches in the main metros. The new BCCI dispensation has the right attitude, as opposed to Dalmiya's essentially mercantilist view, though they would yeild only slightly.

Nevertheless it is not unreasonable to expect that England will have to do a fair bit of traveling. It is a big country, and unlike (the comparable case of) Australia, the population isn't concentrated into a few bigger cities. It's no different from India having to play in some miserable corner of the Isles - like Tunbridge Wells or someplace in the depths of northern England.

The English attitude on the Pakistani tour has been appalling. Granted the security situation makes things dicey there, but the level of whining from the English press is unbearable. There'd be more creature comforts and freedom of movement in India, but I don't expect their attitude to be much better. From my perspective, the whole spiel about heat, crowds and loud stadias is patronising to the extreme. If they can't carry themselves like professionals they ought to stay at home and suck their thumbs.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1132 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 4):
It's no different from India having to play in some miserable corner of the Isles - like Tunbridge Wells or someplace in the depths of northern England.

When was the last time India were asked to play somewhere like that? Not that I disagree with what you wrote above that, but I don't think England have ever been guilty of doing that to India.

I do wonder if, next time India come over, the ECB might decide to forego a Test at Lords and play one at Chester-le-Street, another at the Rose Bowl, and the last at Headingly instead.

Might happen. Wouldn't be very constructive, but it might.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 4):
The English attitude on the Pakistani tour has been appalling. Granted the security situation makes things dicey there, but the level of whining from the English press is unbearable. There'd be more creature comforts and freedom of movement in India, but I don't expect their attitude to be much better. From my perspective, the whole spiel about heat, crowds and loud stadias is patronising to the extreme. If they can't carry themselves like professionals they ought to stay at home and suck their thumbs.

You've genuinely surprised me here. The press might have whinged (though only I would suspect, the tabloids), but the England team have done nothing but praise Pakistan, the security in place and the general facilities. They've gone out their way to ensure that everyone knows that they are enjoying the country, and the only complaint from the players has been that the security has prevented them from getting out and about to see the place.

Given England's historic antagonism towards touring Pakistan, they've changed their tune deliberately and entirely - the very opposite of what you are saying. The Pakistanis have been very positive in return. What are you getting at?

It's worth bearing in mind that the last non-Asian team to tour Pakistan before England (barring New Zealand's aborted trip) was....England!



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1128 times:

Huh?

Signed

300 million people in North America



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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

The ECB is indeed welcome to hold a test wherever it pleases; I certainly hope they have in mind the reduced earnings it will provide, as well as the significant expense incurred in maintaining crowd control in such a situation. That is not the case in India, where you can fill in 30-50k into a stadium in a 2nd tier city where the level of cricket craze is still huge, and the BCCI laughs all the way to the bank.

Regarding the England-Pak series, I did not refer to the players in any manner; I specified mentioned the press to be the culprit. They may have the freedom to report what they please, but they are also representatives and ambassadors of their country, and it is not hard to extend the tiredness with their repetitive whining to the team as well.

On the other hand, the English womens team that recently toured India was a delightful bunch - they got sent too all corners of the country and cheerfully took it all (there's a live blog by the skipper on cricinfo), losing practically all their matches in the process. That's the attitude the men ought to emulate, results included  Wink



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1126 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 6):
Huh?

Signed

300 million people in North America

Who gives a stuff what you think?

Signed 1 billion people in India.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 7):
The ECB is indeed welcome to hold a test wherever it pleases; I certainly hope they have in mind the reduced earnings it will provide, as well as the significant expense incurred in maintaining crowd control in such a situation. That is not the case in India, where you can fill in 30-50k into a stadium in a 2nd tier city where the level of cricket craze is still huge, and the BCCI laughs all the way to the bank.

Interesting observation. One of the reasons the ECB were a bit surprised is precisely because the BCCI seem to have ignored the substantial tourist revenue that could have been derived by holding at least a few of the games in or near tourist centres. England fans travel to away series in far, far greater numbers than any other nationality. There were even a coupleof hundred in Pakistan for the Tests, security concerns or no. In India there would have been thousands - literally.

As for the games in England, Tests sell out here anyway. It wouldn't make much difference to revenue, as all those mentioned hold decent capacities and are Test venues - though usually for Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 7):
Regarding the England-Pak series, I did not refer to the players in any manner; I specified mentioned the press to be the culprit.

OK, I see. But come now, surely you wouldn't expect me to defend our press?

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 7):
On the other hand, the English womens team that recently toured India was a delightful bunch - they got sent too all corners of the country and cheerfully took it all (there's a live blog by the skipper on cricinfo), losing practically all their matches in the process

They had a great time. Came back raving about the place.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 7):
That's the attitude the men ought to emulate,

I don't doubt they will. Really.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 7):
results included

Sod off.  Wink



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

Thats why I just watch the Highlights on News  biggrin 
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

Well, I don't see the BCCI itself earning much by way of tourist revenues. And in any case, the tourist scenario in India has been very positive in the last few years (roughly 25% year on year growth). I'm not particularly familiar with 2nd tier English grounds, but I suspect that their suitability as a venue for Zim/Bdesh doesn't remotely qualify them for the Indian diaspora that will descend upon them when we tour.

Unfortunately England gets to deal with the compulsions of democracy. I understand the desire for a comfortable place to stay in, but we also need to deal with a massive population of hypernationalist cricket fans outside of the metros. I'd see an effective compromise as one that ensures each host city has a minimum number of 5* hotels and such, and I hope future tours will ensure this. At this point it is difficult to make changes; the itinerary was largely drawn up during Dalmiya's time, and while you can expect a much more professional attitude from the latest lot at BCCI, it's rather late for anything substantial. If things are particularly bad, you guys can always ask Giles to bowl 2ft down the legside  Wink



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 11):
Well, I don't see the BCCI itself earning much by way of tourist revenues

That applies equally to the ECB. Why mention it originally then?  Confused

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 11):
I'm not particularly familiar with 2nd tier English grounds, but I suspect that their suitability as a venue for Zim/Bdesh doesn't remotely qualify them for the Indian diaspora that will descend upon them when we tour.

No, they're fine. We don't have "2nd tier" test grounds, they have to be 1st tier or nothing (much smaller country, remember). In any case, I only used them as illustrative examples. Headingley, Old Trafford and Edgbaston would do equally as well. My point being that the ECB could retaliate by omitting Lords, which tends to be a highlight for touring sides. I actually hope they wouldn't - as I said at the start, they're rather more reasonable and professional an outfit these days - but it is possible I suppose.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 11):
see an effective compromise as one that ensures each host city has a minimum number of 5* hotels and such

As I understand it (and I could be wrong) some of the venues selected don't have any 5* hotels, not even for the teams. And the BCCI actually placed the warm-up fixtures, supposedly purely for the benefit of the touring side, in teh middle of nowhere. On this one, they backtracked when the ECB threatened to go to Pakistan (with whom they're now best buddies) for them instead.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 11):
it's rather late for anything substantial

Undoubtedly so. And I suppose if the previous chinless wonders had been in charge of the ECB you could say they deserved it. It's just a pity that they're striking at an England set-up that is so much better than the previous incarnations.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 11):
If things are particularly bad, you guys can always ask Giles to bowl 2ft down the legside

Are you still on about that?  Yeah sure Big grin He hasn't one that since he was last in India. Mind you, how depressing is it that five years on, he's still our best spinner.



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User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1102 times:

I agree. They're a bunch of muppets, and useless as tits on a bull.

In an ideal world, this organisation should bear the responsibility of evolving the game for future generations, and handling these big issues. At the moment they are nothing more than a tournament organiser, (and it could be questioned whether they do a good job of that as well)


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1098 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
That applies equally to the ECB. Why mention it originally then?

I was referring to your mention of the BCCI forsaking tourist revenues by not holding all matches in the metros.

I would see a substantially greater (popular as well as financial) pressure to host matches on an Indian tour of England in established cities with a large diaspora population (London among them), as opposed to the case of an English tour of India. It's not meant as a putdown but an observation of reality; I don't expect any opponent in England to receive the press that an Ashes series does, for example.

In any case, the mess of the first class fixtures on the upcoming English tour is a combination of Dalmiya's vengefulness and the ECB's utter lack of spine. Even I'd need a very good reason to travel to Agartala. It's pretty late to do much about it, but with the explosion in air travel and improving roads, I'm sure the English team will note a significant change since their last visit, hopefully entirely for the better.

Now, back to slagging off at the ICC. Here's another thing I forgot - the repetitive 'chucking' allegations about those who've already been through the whole gamut of tests. If I hear another guy talking about Murali's chucking, I'll slap him with a trout.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1063 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 14):
I was referring to your mention of the BCCI forsaking tourist revenues by not holding all matches in the metros.

Actually I thought you'd mentioned it first. I think I misread your original comment about reduced revenues for the ECB and straightaway thought "tourism" for some reason, which was why I replied to it, raising a subject I needn't have brought up in the first place.  Yeah sure Either had a brainstorm, or was thinking about work at the time. Big grin

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 14):
I would see a substantially greater (popular as well as financial) pressure to host matches on an Indian tour of England in established cities with a large diaspora population (London among them), as opposed to the case of an English tour of India. It's not meant as a putdown but an observation of reality; I don't expect any opponent in England to receive the press that an Ashes series does, for example.

No, I would completely disagree here. Don't forget that Tests in England sell out pretty much regardless of opposition. Only the very weakest of sides wouldn't be playing in front of full houses, and when they toured they were put up to Durham for inaugural Tests, thus ensuring sell outs again.

England is pretty much the only country in the world (Australian grounds are larger) where all venues do sell out more or less constantly. Getting a ticket for any Test is a challenge, unless you want to chance the fifth day, hoping it goes that far - fifth days are hardly ever sold in advance deliberately, but if the game goes that far, they too are pretty much packed.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 14):
and the ECB's utter lack of spine

Why do you say that? The touring administration can't do anything about an itinerary bar express displeasure. It's entirely in the hands of the home authority.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 14):
I'm sure the English team will note a significant change since their last visit, hopefully entirely for the better.

I was serious earlier. England's approach to these tours has changed utterly. No more sitting in the hotel room whingeing about the unavailability of fish and chips. They'll be out and about and loving it. Guaranteed. Whisper it, but England have actually been making themselves popular visitors these last few years. It would have been the case for a little longer, but dear old Nasser, bless him, had a lovely habit of pissing off the opposition. Big grin

You know, it just won't be the same on this tour. No Nasser to make every Indian curse the day he was born in Madras, and no Lord Snooty to make every England player and supporter want to wrap the bat around his head. We'll have to put up with Dravid and Vaughan telling one another how much they love each other.  vomit 

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 14):
Here's another thing I forgot - the repetitive 'chucking' allegations about those who've already been through the whole gamut of tests. If I hear another guy talking about Murali's chucking, I'll slap him with a trout.

Well. I make no real observation about Murali specifically, but I do have a problem with the "chucking" regulations. The trouble is, players are not tested in match conditions. They can't be. This is a flaw in the testing that I'm not sure there's a way around, but undoubtedly any player going for testing is going to make damn sure their arm is as straight as possible.

Look at poor old Shabbir Ahmed for Pakistan. He underwent remedial action, came back, and promptly got referred again. Former England bowler James Kirtley has been through it too, and everyone knew damn well for years that he chucked. Surprise, surprise, he's just been called again.



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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1054 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 15):
Why do you say that? The touring administration can't do anything about an itinerary bar express displeasure. It's entirely in the hands of the home authority.

I'm rather amazed they just voiced displeasure. What the BCCI did to them was the equivalent of the ECB scheduling tour matches in the Faeroes, Isle of Man and some other nondescript place. I was torn between mirthful laughter and 'that's just not on' when I read about it. You are correct that some of the warmup match venues are significantly lacking in infrastructure.

Co-incidently, one of the first statements by the new BCCI board was their desire to bring up facilities at a number of tier 1 and 2 stadia to the best standards worldwide, as opposed to that being available in just the premier venues like Eden Gardens or Mohali now.

Quoting Banco (Reply 15):
No Lord Snooty to make every England player and supporter want to wrap the bat around his head. We'll have to put up with Dravid and Vaughan telling one another how much they love each other

Ah well. It's apparently curtains on Ganguly's career. I wish he hadn't been so forceful about trying to get back in, and moved on with grace. As much as I was a vehement supporter of his in his time, I can't support him as a player or captain anymore. There's a set team and youngsters who need the experience.

About Nasser Hussain, don't get me wrong. We love the fact that England were led by an Indian. But why oh why was he such a pr*ck, and even worse, his use of Giles in that detestable role. It was as deplorable, if not worse, in its underhandedness as the Bodyline tactic was in its depravity. Cardus would have winced if he ever had the misfortune of watching it. He's probably sore from turning in his grave anyway.

Quoting Banco (Reply 15):
The trouble is, players are not tested in match conditions. They can't be.

Chucking and its handling has quite simply become arbitrary and haphazard, not that there was ever any streamlined procedure for it. A bowler righty or wrongly blamed for it is quite simply thrown into the deep end of innuendo, which then accompanies him for the rest of his career as an asterisk over his performance. The entire process remains questionable, and I find it hard to defend or accuse a bowler after the first flagging and corrective action.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1043 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 16):
I'm rather amazed they just voiced displeasure. What the BCCI did to them was the equivalent of the ECB scheduling tour matches in the Faeroes, Isle of Man and some other nondescript place. I was torn between mirthful laughter and 'that's just not on' when I read about it. You are correct that some of the warmup match venues are significantly lacking in infrastructure.

Well, if (and given their performance in Pakistan, it's a big "if") England do go on to become the best team in the world in the next few years, they may regret treating them so off-handedly.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 16):
Ah well. It's apparently curtains on Ganguly's career.

You weren't out rioting last night were you? :d

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 16):
About Nasser Hussain, don't get me wrong. We love the fact that England were led by an Indian. But why oh why was he such a pr*ck, and even worse, his use of Giles in that detestable role. It was as deplorable, if not worse, in its underhandedness as the Bodyline tactic was in its depravity. Cardus would have winced if he ever had the misfortune of watching it. He's probably sore from turning in his grave anyway.

I think Nasser might bridle at being described as an Indian! Actually, from the Indian perspective, his origins were irrelevant. From an English perspective, the fact that he became England captain with his background wasn't any kind of issue, but the fact that no-one batted an eyelid or made any comment is, in my more reflective moments, a source of pride. Just as it should be, of course, but even so.

Anyway, Hussain was leading a crap side then. What did you expect him to do? Let Tendulkar smash them around the park? Limited teams have to be creative. The ICC later banned the tactic, which is fair enough, but so what?

Mike Brearley used to come up with all sorts of ideas. One that I liked was when he was bowling a spinner on a raging turner, picked up the fielder's helmet, placed in into a vacant mid-wicket position, and challenged the batsman to try to get 5 easy runs. Big grin Classic. That got banned too. Sad

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 16):
and I find it hard to defend or accuse a bowler after the first flagging and corrective action

Yes, I agree entirely. I seriously doubt any bowler deliberately chucks it, and I tend to feel sympathy rather than anything else.



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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1038 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 17):
You weren't out rioting last night were you? :d

Not at all. I have serious misgivings about his return, unless his batting returns to the level of the late 1990s. He doesn't warrant a place based on past achievements. He does deserve a more graceful exit, but he didn't exactly make things easy for himself or the others. There's no place for melodrama.

Quoting Banco (Reply 17):

I think Nasser might bridle at being described as an Indian!

Of course he's Indian, as was Colin Cowdrey  stirthepot 

Quoting Banco (Reply 17):
Anyway, Hussain was leading a crap side then. What did you expect him to do? Let Tendulkar smash them around the park?

From an Indian perspective, I don't see anything wrong with that  Wink Even the mighty Aussies saw him smash them around in onedayers and tests alike.

What's your opinion on the current/upcoming series ? Here are mine:
SA vs Aus: Backing the Proteas. Day 1 at Perth has been heartening.
Ind vs SL: Probably 2-0 for us.
Eng vs Pak: Whatever happened to England ? Instead of deflating a bit after the Ashes, you've pretty much flatlined.



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User currently offlineTrident3 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1035 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Thread starter):
* Speed goes way out of his line to 'caution' the Aussies and Proteas for their verbal sparring before the first test this Friday.

Just had to post this, from the Aussie satirical sports site www.thebladder.com.au

CRICKET
ICC sledged by players, officials
by STAFF REPORTERS


The controversy surrounding the ICC’s pronouncement on sledging in cricket intensified overnight when Australian captain Ricky Ponting revealed he’d slept with the wives of all the ICC members and “they weren’t much chop”.

After making the claim, Ponting sat in the press conference with a smirk on his face while Adam Gilchrist, seated beside him, struggled to suppress his laughter.

Speaking via satellite, ICC chief Malcolm Speed said, “Funny, they said the same thing about you, little dick.”

Concerned about the growing number of “verbal exchanges” on the field, the ICC is hoping to protect cricket from descending into a ‘hooligan sport’.

“Our researchers have found a groundbreaking way of stopping ‘verbal exchanges’ on the field,” ICC chief Malcolm Speed told The Bladder.

“From next year we’ll be banning players from talking to one another. If we can stop that, our research shows we can achieve a 100 per cent reduction in ‘verbal exchanges’ of all kinds. Nifty, huh?”

Jeff Thomson, former Australian fast bowler and outspoken advocate for cricket being just like it was when he played says the new rules are unfair and strike at the very heart of the game.

“The ICC should be encouraging sledging. Runs should be awarded for great sledges from batsmen. Microphones should be warn by great sledgers. Kids need to learn how to sledge properly for when they reach the senior grades. This is an important part of the game that’s being ignored by the game’s custodians.

“Besides, I know a lot of blokes who will just give the game up if they can’t give other blokes sh*t. Cricket’s not about batting and bowling and behaving like gents, it’s about cracking up your mates with one liners. Hasn’t the ICC realised that yet?” Big grin



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8549 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1033 times:
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Quoting Banco (Reply 8):
Quoting Greasespot (Reply 6):
Huh?

Signed

300 million people in North America

Who gives a stuff what you think?

Signed 1 billion people in India.

while I regard cricket as marginally more interesting than watching paint dry
( and marginally less interesting than watching grass grow) I have to take my hat off to you for a sublime response  thumbsup 



Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 18):
Of course he's Indian, as was Colin Cowdrey

You mean you want us back?  Wow!

I can just see myself ordering you to fetch my drinks.... Big grin

Actually, have you ever seen the comedy Goodness Gracious Me? There was a character on there for whom everything was Indian, viz. "Superman? Indian!! Faster than a speeding train? Where else could that happen but India!" Big grin

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 18):
What's your opinion on the current/upcoming series ?

I thought South Africa would get thumped, but they've made a good start. Trouble with this series is that it's one I want them both to lose.

India will beat Sri Lanka in the second test comfortably enough I'm sure.

As for England in Pakistan, England blew it in the first Test. After that they were always going to find it difficult.

In any case, it's very rare for non-Asian teams to win in Pakistan. both England and Australia have only ever done it twice - the last time Australia beat Pakistan "away" was in Sharjah!

Pakistan played very, very well. Credit to them. England missed Simon Jones badly, but no excuses, they just got outplayed.

England are still a side learning. I always thought this winter would be really tough, and I've not exactly seen anything to change my mind.

Quoting Trident3 (Reply 19):

 rotfl 

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 20):
I have to take my hat off to you for a sublime response

 blush 



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User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1369 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1028 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 20):
while I regard cricket as marginally more interesting than watching paint dry
( and marginally less interesting than watching grass grow) I have to take my hat off to you for a sublime response thumbsup



Quote:
Who gives a stuff what you think?

Signed 1 billion people in India.


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1020 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 21):
You mean you want us back?
I can just see myself ordering you to fetch my drinks....

Ah, I knew you were a closet imperialist. Do you still have nightmares about that night in August 1947 ? Do you wake up in the middle of the night in a sweat, screaming "Sob! Why did we give it away ? Whyyyy ?" while the missus hugs & pats you and wipes your brow ? Big grin

Quoting Banco (Reply 21):

I thought South Africa would get thumped, but they've made a good start. Trouble with this series is that it's one I want them both to lose.

It would be nice to see the Aussies again on the backfoot on a home series, but why would you want the Proteas to lose as well ? I would rate England slightly stronger than them right now, anyway. The Aussies taking it on the chin at home would be beneficial to the cricketing world at large, as was the case when we nearly won the away series against them in 03-04.



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Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1011 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 23):
Ah, I knew you were a closet imperialist. Do you still have nightmares about that night in August 1947 ? Do you wake up in the middle of the night in a sweat, screaming "Sob! Why did we give it away ? Whyyyy ?" while the missus hugs & pats you and wipes your brow ?

Damn. Rumbled. Oh, those glorious days when we could put irritating members of the Royal Family in a place where they couldn't do us any harm! Where we could persuade the best cricketers to come and play for us rather than belting us around the park! Where the likes of Barfbag knew their place, dammit!  Wink

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 23):
It would be nice to see the Aussies again on the backfoot on a home series, but why would you want the Proteas to lose as well ?

Well, yes. But you see, South Africa have never been as popular a side in England as say, the West Indies (even when they were walloping us) or India for that matter. And they've got Graeme Smith. A man who'd make a nun swear.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 23):
I would rate England slightly stronger than them right now, anyway

I should bloody well hope so, bearing in mind an out-of-form England became only the second side since their re-admission to beat them in their own country last winter. "Slightly" ahead, indeed.  Yeah sure  Wink

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 23):
The Aussies taking it on the chin at home would be beneficial to the cricketing world at large

As indeed was England beating them a few months ago. Thank you, thank you thank you.... Big grin



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25 Post contains images BarfBag : Interesing. Seriously, what is the basis of this ? Does it hark back to the Basil D'Oliviera episode or earlier ? I can understand the history with P
26 Post contains images Banco : Don't know really. Just seemed to work out that way. Pfft. Winning against them at home is no big deal. Winning in South Africa is. As I recall, Indi
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