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Germany, Italy, Norway: NOT Helping!  
User currently offlineMilldoh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1776 times:

what's up with this guys? why is everyone backing out of military support? it's a war against terrorism. so much for article 5...

Following the pattern of Norway, Germany has also declined to participate in any direct military action launched by North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to combat terrorism.

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Italian Defense Minister Antonio Martino on Sunday said Italian troops would not take part in any US retaliation after the terror attacks and that use of the term "war" was inappropriate.

"The term 'war' is inappropriate. It is not a conflict between states and Italian troops will not go anywhere," Martino told the RAI television station.

"I feel I am in a position to categorically exclude calling on the army," he said.

The defence minister warned that "nobody had better strike randomly," adding that 100,000 Italian soldiers were involved in various peacekeeping missions abroad.



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User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

just as the usa and britain expected, european countires wont fully back actions because most of them are pro-arab sympthasies who while dont hate america and are anrgy at the loss of life, would rather send a bunch of roses to bin laden saying please talk, yets not fight.


It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Here's a good idea. The BBC News website is currently reporting that

"President George W Bush may lift the ban on US involvement in assassinations overseas as the US targets those behind the attacks on New York and Washington"

This is good news. Why should innocent people anywhere suffer because of the head cases? The US and its allies should be able to go in and strike directly at the individuals who run the show, right up to top tinpot dictator level. Whats the point of nuking the whole Mid East when you still cant get the guys who matter. This needs a rapier, not a broadsword.

Go for it George, and send in the Delta Force and the SAS.

Scotty

Alba gu brath


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

Go Canada ....

Like some Americans, you are turning this terrorist act into a war against Americans and Arabs. That is VERY dangerous. And it's wrong.
The ideal would be to catch the terrorists and put them in jail, but it's almost sure that a war will take place. Who knows where it will end ?

The "bunch of roses" was displaced. You should not write such bullshits.


User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

Go Canada, as a historian, I thought you would have had a more informed position on this topic.

User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

Don't forget that Germany has a provision in its constitution (post WW2) that bars involvement offensive military actions abroad -- similar to Japan's consitution.

User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6419 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

When that fantastic concensus against terrorism was demonstrated last week, live on TV, then I was wondering - Gosch, will that last two weeks?

It didn't last one week.
Germany, Italy, Norway...
Let's begin from north.

Norway is in a turmoil following its recent parliamental elections. In addition, over the week-end a Scottish terror scientist pointed out Norway as the number one passive supporter of world wide terrorism. With the rest of Scandinavia as close runner ups.

Germany is for historical reasons a special case, and will be so for the next one hundred years.

Italy is just unbelieveable. Unexplainable. Has the Mafia too much to lose?

But dear US of A, it won't stop here. In a few weeks it will be business as usual and you will find yourself very much alone again. Don't expect Sweden, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France etc. stand firm deep into October.

That said, I don't expect that physical assistance will be very much needed or even appreciated. They can easily get in the way. But if only it can be avoided that you get virtual "knives in your back" from what was supposed to be real friends on 11th and 12th September, then we have come a long way.

And dear US of A, when it is all over, have a close look at your own internal passive terror support - IRA, ETA and what other three letter acronyms which weren't trademarked by IBM.

Best regards, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

Sebolino-im sorry i didnt state I was anti-arab, i am not,t hat is why germany and others wont back action because they dont agree with innocents dying.

i do not either, however this is a war, those terrorists had no regard for humna life and the usa/uk and allies houldnt have regard for life of islamic crackpots who use their faith to butcher, maim and murder.
perhaps a fuller undertsanding is required?

hepkat-i am well informed, i have studied arab-israeli conflicts and the response of europe, that i why i made the comment that germany and italy will get cold fett, just the same as the gulf war.

it is correct that most european countries would be ahppy if they could negotiate with bin laden, bring him to court and think thats the end of it.they would much rather have peace, in fact some european ministers are stressign the need for dimpolmatic talks.

one terrorist wont mean the end of this.

germany can change that constituion and it did a few months back with macedonia, its government and parliament changed the laws so that german troops could be on forgein soil, therefore it has been changed.

this is not a war between america and the arabs but a war against the free, just democracies of the world aginst terrorists, states harbouring terrorists and rouge states seeking to produce weapons of mass destruction.

attacks on arab americans have no place in society.

neither does bin laden, jihad, hamas, hezzbollah, the ira, eta and sadamm hussien.

all must die otherwise more innocent civilians will die.

do you want another wtc bombing?

what about the innocents who died last week? did the terrorists stick to international law and send dimplomats? of course not.

failure to attack now leaves the world in the same situation before World war two and if we dotn act now, more innocent lives will be lost.

next time it could be your child, your mother, your father, your borther, your sister or your spouse.









It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Go Canada, an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind (M. Ghandi). The answer to this problem does not lie in exterminating terrorist groups and the countries that support them. Every action will cause a reaction, as history has clearly shown us. After you exterminate this batch of terrorist, a new one will automatically step up to take its place, filled with more hatred, more resolve and less regard for life.

The only solution to this tragedy is to nip the problem in the bud. Eliminate that which is causing the conflict. Solve the Israel-Palestine problem (among others), to each side's satisfaction. As long as the Arabs feel oppressed, they will continue to lash out.

This is why so many European countries are opting out of a military retaliation. First of all, there is no target, and secondly, a military strike on our part will only be followed by a terrorist strike on theirs.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

With Italy's, well, less-than-stellar record in warfare, I don't want them participating militarily.  Big grin

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

Sebolino,

Just so you know for future flamings, the word "bullshit" is ALWAYS singular.

As in "You should not write such bullshit" NOT "You should not write such bullshits."

TNNH

This is why Italy is well.....Italy.... and the US is well.... the leader of the free world.


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

Great to learn.

User currently offlineAh727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Swedish young men and women are not going to die for America!

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

AH727, but you'd be begging for young American men and women to die for your country if, say the Russians came calling, right? Hypocrite.

User currently offlineAh727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

Now the dissing is on again.

The fact is that sweden´s so called neutrality is the hypocrite,we have all through the years been called neutral,but that is pure bullshit.

How come we have such a distinguised military industry? Due to the support of the USA.

I am not critizing that we should help America out with hunting down the people responsible for the hijacks.

My point is that we in Sweden shall not send support in terms of Military Material.

If we could help you out with intelligence and tracking of the ones responsible it´s allright,
but not send enlisted men and women to wherever the Us goverment finds it convenient.

It wouldn´t surprise me if we did because of our goverment likes to please the US governement.

So as most of the world´s Babylonian goverments.



User currently offlineBryan Becker From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

i know its bull shit,maybe all the need is for some dumb ass terrorist to attack there country and then they will change there minds,its crap its terrorism,come on it all over the world and it needs to be stoped,

User currently offlineLn-ojb From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

As long as the US administration so clearly demonstrates the lack of historical knowledge, we can´t just let this warfare get out of control.

President Bush says: "Wanted, dead or alive!", like we were riding around in the old wild West. He has also stated: "this is a new kind of evil".

It´s not! It is a new scale for terrorist activity, and we should all strive to overcome terrorism. But we won´t get that far, unless we are willing to speak and act against the growing gap between the rich and the poor in this world. This is a worldwide problem, and also a problem inside most countries.

Evil is inside every one of us. Warfare is the most dangerous way to let evil get out of control. The US´leaders MUST know which words they are using. When stating that much pressure on targetting just one person, the possibillites to get the number of others vanish in his grave. If you said "Wanted alive!", there would be a chance of communicating that the free world wants to use other standards than terrorism, when it comes to the solving of major conflicts.

"Wanted dead or alive!" is nothing else than to invite all others to use the same methods that the terrorists uses themselves. We can´t support this, and keep on beleiving we are better people than them!

I truly respect the deep sorrow, grief and losses so many Americans must live through these days, and I do understand the anger which comes out of these awful actions. But I don´t think violence will make any solution towards making this world a safer place, at any side of the Atlantic Ocean.

Regards Ole Johan, Norway


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6419 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

I wrote: "Don't expect Sweden, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France etc. stand firm deep into October".

Ah727 wrote: "Swedish young men and women are not going to die for America!"

There you see... Last week the whole world was united against world terrorism. Six days later...!!! I said "deep into October". It barely held one hour.

It seems that I even got the sequence correct first time. And I'm pretty sure that next on my list will be right too.

Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineAh727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

Till Preben Norholm och LN-OJB
(To Preben Norholm och LN-OJB)


Thanks for clarifying the Scandinavian point of wiew.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

ln-obj, shoud we just say to this nut Bin Laden "Mr. Bin Laden, we don't like you attacking us, and we're against violence, so please stop."?

You need a dose of reality.


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6419 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

The USA recenly did the major part of the surgery on the worst cancer on Europe during several decades - Yugoslavia.

Six days after WTC, the world's worst terror act, European countries are stepping on the feet of each other while running away from their responcibility for this planet.

I don't think that I can find a moment in my life when I have been more ashamed being European than right now.

Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineToady From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

This is an interesting and thought-provoking article. The 3rd & 4th paragraphs are particularly pertinent to this discussion.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-steyn091701.shtml

I must say that I also think "war" is inappropriate, if only for emotive reasons.
"War" requires 2 or more opposing forces of warriors - I don't think we should dignify terrorists with that title.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

Damn, I hate when I get distracted and post on the wrong thread!  Confused

User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

I agree to Ah727, Sweden shouldn't join with armed forces. Sweden is and will remain a neutral country.

Perhaps that is why we see little or no terrorism there...

However I'm sure they will share their intelligence if it is needed.

Staffan



User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

Alpha 1, there is no evidence Bin Laden is behind these terrorist attacks. The U.S. government has clearly stated that he's the number one suspect, but so far no evidence directly points to him.

We shouldn't forget that Bin Laden's isn't the only terrorist organization around. He may know of who did it, but he didn't necessarily authorize it, although he probably would love to take credit for it.

Over the past few days, everyone in the U.S. has been running around with the name Bin Laden on the tip of their tongues. In my opinion, it's a desperate attempt to quickly pin the blame on a scapegoat in order to distract from their own incompetence in intelligence gathering. To this day, the U.S. bars anyone with a criminal or felony background from working in the CIA. How're you going to catch the bad guys without recruiting other bad guys?


25 Prebennorholm : Alpha 1 wrote: "...should we just say to this nut Bin Laden "Mr. Bin Laden, we don't like you attacking us, and we're against violence, so please stop
26 Mx5_boy : Australia is standing firmly behind the United States with any military action. What a lot of you seem to forget is that as soon as the USA / joint fo
27 Prebennorholm : Staffan wrote: "...Sweden shouldn't join with armed forces. Sweden is and will remain a neutral country. Perhaps that is why we see little or no terro
28 Staffan : Hey, those are national problems that Sweden deals with itself, these kind of conflicts exist in every country on this earth. BUT, Sweden isn't beeing
29 Hadpa : Alpha1: I don't know where are you from...but I guess you are american...and please, try to NEVER laugh at Italy and italians...because when your coun
30 OO-AOG : Less countries involved, better it is.
31 Fritzi : Why the hell should we get involved with a treaty when we have no enemies? Like during WWII. We stayed out of the war and managed to do so because we
32 Ryanb741 : Well, here in Britain we are 110% behind the USA. The newspapers here have even stated that we will use the SAS to capture Bin Laden without assistanc
33 Jwenting : Don't know what the Netherlands will do in this case. In the past, we have supported terrorists (oops, freedom fighters) all over the world if not act
34 Thom@s : Hmmm, I thought we would help, anyway, we wouldn't be able to do too much. Last time we helped NATO, we just protected an airforce base. Anyway, I act
35 Staffan : If you want to rule the world and be a superpower, not everypne will agree to that. And then you have to deal with it yourself! Staffan
36 Alpha 1 : Hadpa, ROME was an empire, not Italy. LOL. And their modern record in war, led by that buffoon Mussollini is not exactly a great moment in World Histo
37 Jwenting : I think Fritzi meant Sweden, not Austria... He did get his history wrong either way. Sweden was heavily involved in WWII, though not militarilly. Swed
38 Sebolino : If we go to a real war, we will have to finish it, and it will be long. Because not only one country will be involved. Probably the majority of Islami
39 Cfalk : At least our women can walk out the door without having to roll out like some of yours do. ROFLMAO!!! Good one! On the other issue: The civilized worl
40 Gekkogecko : Alpha1, you read much about WWII. This is very interessting to me. What is in the books you read written about the masterpice of the American Airforce
41 Indianguy : If this is true, then Hats of to the Germans, Italians etc who have done what others couldnt. After all why should Germans send their young people out
42 Alpha 1 : Gekkogecko, did I NOT say in other discussions that each country has it's own shamful acts? And that was one, wasn't it? So was the Final Solution: so
43 Gekkogecko : Alpha 1, If I read other Forum topics, it seems that it is the only fact. America is the best and all others are just jealous. Did you read what india
44 Alpha 1 : I read what Indianguy wrote: and you, Indianguy, Fritzi, AA-AOG, and others-well, there's one word for all of you: cowards. That's the word. You won't
45 Go Canada! : "Alpha1, you read much about WWII. This is very interessting to me. What is in the books you read written about the masterpice of the American Airforc
46 JetService : People seem to not understand the scope of this, or at least deny it. This isn't just a group of wackos with a hard-on for the United States. This is
47 Gekkogecko : Go Canada, "so dont you dare suggest that soem how germany was the vitcim of the second world war, they knew what they were doing and the whole countr
48 Go Canada! : I agree 100% jetservice,as normal you speak with wisdom. this was an act aginst humanity, and in my view an act against god. These islamic extermists
49 Go Canada! : no nation can say they havent been invloved in miltary action. however as an historian, i am more objective and less emontional then you and realise t
50 Alpha 1 : Gekko, I haven't heard a sould hear say the U.S. never did anything wrong. You, like the coward you are, are just using that as a lame excuse not to s
51 Gekkogecko : Jetservice, "This is the western culture against fanatical culture, not the US against Bin Laden. If a country lives the Western culture and are not p
52 Gekkogecko : Alpha 1, Thats the spirit, call all the others cowards and it will be ok. I'm off. Hope we talk futher tomorrow. Regards gekkogecko
53 Prebennorholm : Gekkogecko wrote: "you read much about WWII. This is very interessting to me. What is in the books you read written about the masterpice of the Americ
54 JetService : Gekko, they flew guided missles into populated skyscrapers in an American city killing thousands. They flew a guided missle into the Pentagon, killing
55 Staffan : Come off it now!! Every conflict the US enters, they leave with even more enemies. Will this be different??? And regarding the US involvement in WW2,
56 SVG : Please read this newspaper report before you continue this debate (it was published at www.aftenposten.no on September 12, 2001): --- Soldiers set to
57 Fritzi : Alpha 1: I'm not Austrian, I come from Sweden and I wrote this out of the Swedish perspective. By the way, its Herr Hitler and not Heir Hitler if that
58 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : Has anyone of you actually looked up the legal provisions in question, Art. 5 NAT and Art. 51 UN-Charter? I guess not, so here they are: Article 1 NA
59 Cfalk : Daniel, The Treaty speaks of ACTION, not INACTION. Staying out of it is not an option if Article 5 is fully invoked, which NATO has stated it is ready
60 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : Charles, if you have the right to choose something this includes the right to choose nothing. Example: the right to choose any religion you want incl
61 Post contains images Klaus : The german government has just reiterated that the provision of fighting forces is explicitly included in the options that are on the table right now.
62 Post contains links Klaus : A short time ago, the "National Review" published the following article which corrects their previous erroneous comment which apparently Milldoh was r
63 FBU 4EVER! : Just accept the fact that most countries in the Western World are civilized,reflective countries that want to have a clear view as to what's happening
64 Post contains images Klaus : Our (german) president Johannes Rau originally replied (when asked) that he didn´t expect that german fighting forces would be part of an immediate r
65 Hadpa : Yes...you're right. Italy was not an empire, because Italy became Italy during the 18th century...but after that..do you remember something??? ROME: W
66 Post contains images Toady : Hadpa: You'll find very few Britons who laugh at Italy or the Roman Empire. On the contrary, just look at Monty Python's Life of Brian "What have the
67 Alpha 1 : Steffan-very good! You got it partly right. But let's look at some history, that's very far removed from even the beginnings of your life. On December
68 Gekkogecko : Prebennorholm, I had prever todays alternatives. Wipe out Hitler and his gang. And now I will hold it with Airsickness and come back to the current to
69 Cfalk : Klaus, Thank you for the clarifications. I am certainly very happy that the German position stated earlier was just a misunderstanding. I hereby take
70 Staffan : Alpha 1, yes, but you try and make it look as if the US helped europe out for the sake of all europeans, but I think it was mostly for the sake of the
71 Alpha 1 : It was in the best interest of the U.S. to take the war to Hitler in Europe, Staffan. Yes-PART of it was good old self-interest. Even though Hitler co
72 Go Canada! : Hadpa Perhaps you could remember the battle of pavia in 1525, when Charles I, holy roman emperor, a hasburg, from spain, smashes the troops of Francis
73 Post contains links Milldoh : The false and uncredited remarks from Milldoh were not only ignorant, but also cruel and completely irresponsible. Milldoh, you have just taken the at
74 Peter. : Dildo, shut up and check your informations before you spread rumors on Anet which are false . There is no reversion of any decision.
75 Milldoh : Peter., you spelled my name wrong. It's "Milldoh." And telling people to "shut up" is quite childish. Also, if you are not going to post anything of s
76 Ceilidh : Two brief points. 1: a state of war can only exist betwen two nations. Whilst the US is keen to declare war; and indeed says with justification that s
77 B737-700 : Well Germany can also help in another way ! It does not have to be direct action. I think they are willing to give transporters, etc. Also why in the
78 SVG : Milldoh, your sources are false. I want an apology for the false rumours you've spread about my home country.
79 B737-700 : BTW: I just read that Germany is absolutely willing to help, even with military forces.
80 Post contains images Klaus : Cfalk: Thank you for the clarifications. I am certainly very happy that the German position stated earlier was just a misunderstanding. I hereby take
81 Klaus : B737-700: BTW: I just read that Germany is absolutely willing to help, even with military forces. I´ve followed the german news closely; And this pos
82 Post contains links and images Milldoh : SVG: no apology necessary these reports appear to be incorrect. One would think that "My impression is that [military action] is not called for, rathe
83 Post contains images Klaus : Klaus: The false and uncredited remarks from Milldoh were not only ignorant, but also cruel and completely irresponsible. Milldoh, you have just taken
84 Go Canada! : i do have to say that america was quite happy to raise funds for the ira, however in boston for example, they were not told that the money would go di
85 Go Canada! : i have to say what an argument klaus!
86 Hadpa : Hey Go Canada!!! Amsterdam a trade center with the Hanseatic League? Come on...what did they trade?? Some honey, some bear fur, and whale fat. That's
87 Milldoh : Klaus: The false and uncredited remarks from Milldoh were not only ignorant, but also cruel and completely irresponsible. Milldoh, you have just taken
88 Post contains images Overlord : Hey Hadpa, you know what the smallest book in the world is: Yes-the book of Italian War Heroes!
89 JetService : Why does the new Italian Navy have glass-bottom boats? So they can see the old Italian Navy.
90 Post contains images Overlord : Oh, JetService-my sides are killin' me, I'm laughing so hard on that one!! Oh, my God! ROTFLMAO!!
91 Eurotamandua : Cool down, Klaus. You have the better aruments, and Milldoh knows it. He is already in defence but does'nt want to give in... Just join Hadpa, JetServ
92 Sydneysider : Just for your information (I think, Klaus & the other German A.net members are knowing these facts too): 1) Yesterday the Bundestag voted with 565pro-
93 Go Canada! : Klaus, go easy on him, he deserves your pity. Hadpa-ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! I said flanders, not amesterdan and for your inof the n
94 Alpha 1 : Hadpa, you're a naive little person.
95 Post contains images Klaus : Okay, I think it´s time to take a deep breath... Milldoh: Well, unfortunately journalists do make mistakes. If you can gather enormous amounts of inf
96 Ln-ojb : In my view, this thread shows how easy we fall into the level where the terrorists themselves probably really want us to be: Just shouting at each oth
97 Go Canada! : have you gone away, why arent you defending your country's honour? klaus, i have to say you form an excellent arguement, well done.
98 Post contains images Klaus : Go Canada: [Hadpa] have you gone away, why arent you defending your country's honour? I think you two have ruined the remains of this sandbox pretty m
99 Go Canada! : Yes it makes me sick that people do not undertsand that germany is a nice country with ncie people. it maks me sick that people do not realise that mu
100 Post contains images Klaus : Just let´s put it to bed, now.
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