Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1425 times:
just as the usa and britain expected, european countires wont fully back actions because most of them are pro-arab sympthasies who while dont hate america and are anrgy at the loss of life, would rather send a bunch of roses to bin laden saying please talk, yets not fight.
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
Scotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1416 times:
Here's a good idea. The BBC News website is currently reporting that
"President George W Bush may lift the ban on US involvement in assassinations overseas as the US targets those behind the attacks on New York and Washington"
This is good news. Why should innocent people anywhere suffer because of the head cases? The US and its allies should be able to go in and strike directly at the individuals who run the show, right up to top tinpot dictator level. Whats the point of nuking the whole Mid East when you still cant get the guys who matter. This needs a rapier, not a broadsword.
Go for it George, and send in the Delta Force and the SAS.
Sebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3672 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1406 times:
Go Canada ....
Like some Americans, you are turning this terrorist act into a war against Americans and Arabs. That is VERY dangerous. And it's wrong.
The ideal would be to catch the terrorists and put them in jail, but it's almost sure that a war will take place. Who knows where it will end ?
The "bunch of roses" was displaced. You should not write such bullshits.
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6128 posts, RR: 55 Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1337 times:
When that fantastic concensus against terrorism was demonstrated last week, live on TV, then I was wondering - Gosch, will that last two weeks?
It didn't last one week.
Germany, Italy, Norway...
Let's begin from north.
Norway is in a turmoil following its recent parliamental elections. In addition, over the week-end a Scottish terror scientist pointed out Norway as the number one passive supporter of world wide terrorism. With the rest of Scandinavia as close runner ups.
Germany is for historical reasons a special case, and will be so for the next one hundred years.
Italy is just unbelieveable. Unexplainable. Has the Mafia too much to lose?
But dear US of A, it won't stop here. In a few weeks it will be business as usual and you will find yourself very much alone again. Don't expect Sweden, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France etc. stand firm deep into October.
That said, I don't expect that physical assistance will be very much needed or even appreciated. They can easily get in the way. But if only it can be avoided that you get virtual "knives in your back" from what was supposed to be real friends on 11th and 12th September, then we have come a long way.
And dear US of A, when it is all over, have a close look at your own internal passive terror support - IRA, ETA and what other three letter acronyms which weren't trademarked by IBM.
Best regards, Preben Norholm
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1327 times:
Sebolino-im sorry i didnt state I was anti-arab, i am not,t hat is why germany and others wont back action because they dont agree with innocents dying.
i do not either, however this is a war, those terrorists had no regard for humna life and the usa/uk and allies houldnt have regard for life of islamic crackpots who use their faith to butcher, maim and murder.
perhaps a fuller undertsanding is required?
hepkat-i am well informed, i have studied arab-israeli conflicts and the response of europe, that i why i made the comment that germany and italy will get cold fett, just the same as the gulf war.
it is correct that most european countries would be ahppy if they could negotiate with bin laden, bring him to court and think thats the end of it.they would much rather have peace, in fact some european ministers are stressign the need for dimpolmatic talks.
one terrorist wont mean the end of this.
germany can change that constituion and it did a few months back with macedonia, its government and parliament changed the laws so that german troops could be on forgein soil, therefore it has been changed.
this is not a war between america and the arabs but a war against the free, just democracies of the world aginst terrorists, states harbouring terrorists and rouge states seeking to produce weapons of mass destruction.
attacks on arab americans have no place in society.
neither does bin laden, jihad, hamas, hezzbollah, the ira, eta and sadamm hussien.
all must die otherwise more innocent civilians will die.
do you want another wtc bombing?
what about the innocents who died last week? did the terrorists stick to international law and send dimplomats? of course not.
failure to attack now leaves the world in the same situation before World war two and if we dotn act now, more innocent lives will be lost.
next time it could be your child, your mother, your father, your borther, your sister or your spouse.
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
Hepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1304 times:
Go Canada, an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind (M. Ghandi). The answer to this problem does not lie in exterminating terrorist groups and the countries that support them. Every action will cause a reaction, as history has clearly shown us. After you exterminate this batch of terrorist, a new one will automatically step up to take its place, filled with more hatred, more resolve and less regard for life.
The only solution to this tragedy is to nip the problem in the bud. Eliminate that which is causing the conflict. Solve the Israel-Palestine problem (among others), to each side's satisfaction. As long as the Arabs feel oppressed, they will continue to lash out.
This is why so many European countries are opting out of a military retaliation. First of all, there is no target, and secondly, a military strike on our part will only be followed by a terrorist strike on theirs.
Bryan Becker From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 333 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1284 times:
i know its bull shit,maybe all the need is for some dumb ass terrorist to attack there country and then they will change there minds,its crap its terrorism,come on it all over the world and it needs to be stoped,
Ln-ojb From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 39 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1289 times:
As long as the US administration so clearly demonstrates the lack of historical knowledge, we can´t just let this warfare get out of control.
President Bush says: "Wanted, dead or alive!", like we were riding around in the old wild West. He has also stated: "this is a new kind of evil".
It´s not! It is a new scale for terrorist activity, and we should all strive to overcome terrorism. But we won´t get that far, unless we are willing to speak and act against the growing gap between the rich and the poor in this world. This is a worldwide problem, and also a problem inside most countries.
Evil is inside every one of us. Warfare is the most dangerous way to let evil get out of control. The US´leaders MUST know which words they are using. When stating that much pressure on targetting just one person, the possibillites to get the number of others vanish in his grave. If you said "Wanted alive!", there would be a chance of communicating that the free world wants to use other standards than terrorism, when it comes to the solving of major conflicts.
"Wanted dead or alive!" is nothing else than to invite all others to use the same methods that the terrorists uses themselves. We can´t support this, and keep on beleiving we are better people than them!
I truly respect the deep sorrow, grief and losses so many Americans must live through these days, and I do understand the anger which comes out of these awful actions. But I don´t think violence will make any solution towards making this world a safer place, at any side of the Atlantic Ocean.
Hepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1247 times:
Alpha 1, there is no evidence Bin Laden is behind these terrorist attacks. The U.S. government has clearly stated that he's the number one suspect, but so far no evidence directly points to him.
We shouldn't forget that Bin Laden's isn't the only terrorist organization around. He may know of who did it, but he didn't necessarily authorize it, although he probably would love to take credit for it.
Over the past few days, everyone in the U.S. has been running around with the name Bin Laden on the tip of their tongues. In my opinion, it's a desperate attempt to quickly pin the blame on a scapegoat in order to distract from their own incompetence in intelligence gathering. To this day, the U.S. bars anyone with a criminal or felony background from working in the CIA. How're you going to catch the bad guys without recruiting other bad guys?
25 Prebennorholm: Alpha 1 wrote: "...should we just say to this nut Bin Laden "Mr. Bin Laden, we don't like you attacking us, and we're against violence, so please stop
26 Mx5_boy: Australia is standing firmly behind the United States with any military action. What a lot of you seem to forget is that as soon as the USA / joint fo
27 Prebennorholm: Staffan wrote: "...Sweden shouldn't join with armed forces. Sweden is and will remain a neutral country. Perhaps that is why we see little or no terro
28 Staffan: Hey, those are national problems that Sweden deals with itself, these kind of conflicts exist in every country on this earth. BUT, Sweden isn't beeing
29 Hadpa: Alpha1: I don't know where are you from...but I guess you are american...and please, try to NEVER laugh at Italy and italians...because when your coun