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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

OK, we've all bashed each other on a forum wherein we cannot be terribly accountable for our actions.

Clipperhawaii has said that all Liberals are stupid, and I had a few things to say about that:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1037516/

See posts #67 and #68.

Now, I'm willing to travel to any destination in the contiguous US (at my own expense) and debate this guy. I would welcome questions from any and all A.netters. This is not a trivia contest, but a measure of political opinion. Not history, but an argument of philosophy. Anyone want to suggest questions? This could be one of the best A.net meets ever. Maybe we could set up a Liberal.net team vs a Conservative.net team in a debate.

My first task is to prove that liberals are not all idiots. My second task is to figure out if conservatives such as Clipperhawaii actually have the brains to back up their smear tactics.

Who's in? Again: suggest a location, and show up. I'm there.

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20504 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

I have a question. Why is it that in a nation of justice, liberty and democracy, what is acceptable about breaking laws to catch criminals? There seems to be an attitude that if we're not directly affected by these intrusions, these actions should be disregarded for the public good. (Not that I'm saying that I'm indicting anyone yet, I've already stated how I feel and what I'm waiting for before saying that laws were broken.) I want to hear why those who say are acting in our best interests advocate breaking the law. Plainly and clearly.


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Why is it that conservatives defend the ideals of "Freedom" and "Liberty" yet oppress at every oportunity the Gays, Pro-Choicer's, Liberals, and other groups who choose the path of dissent?

User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Good points, Westy, and Kapa. Now, who's willing to get into a hard political debate?

I want to have a nice neutral hotel conference room open for all of us, and a brutal debate on the agendas decided by the finest of A.net.

The momma's boys can show up if they want, but they'd better be ready. I'm one liberal who can blast the nuts off anyone. Grab your crotch - I'm biting.

Come on. You can't be so unwilling to debate?  gnasher   gnasher 


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20504 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 3):
Grab your crotch - I'm biting.

No teeth! No teeth!

I will be away from mid-January through the first week of February, so if you want me to show up with my bucket of Orville Redenbacher's, it'll have to be after that.



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 3):
Grab your crotch - I'm biting.

...For a mouthful of TRUTH! Sorry, just sounded like a Colbert report intro to me  Wink

Make it in DEN or DRO if it's after january 10th and we'll talk.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
No teeth! No teeth!

Yeah!! What HE said!

I'm not available to moderate . . . but I will take a chair in the audience . . . I'll bring extra popcorn in case Westy's runs out.

12/22/05 to 1/17/06 is out. I do have a week open in February.


User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Thread starter):
My first task is to prove that liberals are not all idiots. My second task is to figure out if conservatives such as Clipperhawaii actually have the brains to back up their smear tactics.

Well, first of all, the terms that you are talking about ("idiots", "brains") are not quantitative values. If this is going to be a declared winner and loser type thing, I'm not interested. If, however, this is a good-natured, everyone has respect for the other, we can all be friends afterwards kind of exchange of ideals and opinions in a good, non-shouting, reasonable, level-headed debate, then count me in and put me on the conservative team (I think I would fit in there, if not let me know). I'll throw out a couple of nice, central locations to go for, how about DAL (or DFW for those who are Southwest-impaired!) or HOU (IAH)? You've got all the majors there and hubs for AA and CO respectively. February sounds like it would be a good month to shoot for. Anybody else want to jump in?


User currently offlineThecoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

I'll bring the ipecac.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20504 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 7):
in a good, non-shouting, reasonable, level-headed debate,

What? I didn't know they let conservatives in to those bongo-drumming, male bonding weekends. I wanna see James Carville vs. Pat Buchanan!



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User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
male bonding weekends.

Maybe that should be part of the ground rules set up before we begin- NO BONDING ALLOWED, just debating.

Oh brother!  Yeah sure I can already see where this is headed.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

I suggest the deck of the Downwind @ PDK......

User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

A deceptively simple question:

What is a liberal?

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

You did not quote me correctly. (another liberal tactic) To be more precise I said liberals are "dumb" not "stupid". There is a subtle difference.  Smile

As for meeting for a debate (a good natured one over beers and dinner) you may be on to something. I can just see a bunch of us around a large table dishing it out. Unfortunately nothing will come of it so you will just have to trade barbs here and defend yourself.

Ahhh the internet. If only we could touch and see each other.

Nice idea though.

As for dumb liberals, check this out. Funny reading!(for some)


http://www.celiberal.com

Aloha my friends.



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1990 times:
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Quoting Logan22L (Thread starter):
Who's in? Again: suggest a location, and show up. I'm there



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
I suggest the deck of the Downwind @ PDK......

Srb beat me to it.

I'll buy the beer, and we can probably arrange for Boortz to be in attendance again.

You guys show down here and we'll see where people actually stand.

Oh, and there's a difference between acting stupid and being stupid. Both sides of the argument could remember that more often.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9328 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Thread starter):

Who's in? Again: suggest a location, and show up. I'm there.

I am in.

I offer to moderate.

And for the sake of a location, I choose Las Vegas. It's accessible to all for a reasonable price.



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Why don't you all come down to New Orleans, and join in the debate about how to, and according to some, whether or not to, rebuild New Orleans. That should precipitate quite the debate among those of all political ideologies. And you guys wouldn't have to fork over 30 bucks to Gray Line for a tour.

I imagine between C-boy, MSYTristar, and myself, we could host such an event.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 16):
Why don't you all come down to New Orleans

I retract my suggestion for DFW and IAH, I think that MSY is a great idea! And we would be helping NO's economy in an almost "social program", charitable way, which will give the libs a warm, fuzzy feeling! (Sorry, couldn't resist!) Damn good suggestion, Tom!


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20504 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

A conservative getting all giddy over the idea of helping the economy of New Orleans, then blaming his feelings on liberals. I'm bringing extra popcorn.


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User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

I think Crapchester would be the ideal location. Since so many of the libs are Canadian. And it's definitely convenient for me!


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1887 times:
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Quoting LHMARK (Reply 19):
I think Crapchester would be the ideal location

Does your snowplow carry enough people to bring us all to your house from the airport?



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
Does your snowplow carry enough people to bring us all to your house from the airport?

I didn't know VW made snowplows.........


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 13):
You did not quote me correctly. (another liberal tactic) To be more precise I said liberals are "dumb" not "stupid".

That was an honest mistake. Your actual choice of words doesn't soften the blow much.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 13):
As for meeting for a debate (a good natured one over beers and dinner) you may be on to something.

Of course it would be good-natured, despite the fact that your comments were not.

I vote for Vegas.


User currently offlineStlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9328 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 22):
I vote for Vegas.

Great. Which hotel.

I prefer to stay middle/north end of the strip.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 22):

I vote for Vegas.

Doable . . . say, say the weekend of 3/10-3/13 - that's when the NASCAR race is, I can knock out three birds with one stone . . .

Watch a Race, Lose some $$$ and get in on a great round of A-Net chatter, live and in color!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
Does your snowplow carry enough people to bring us all to your house from the airport?

We could do it in ANC . . . . I can tie ropes to the bumper of the BAFDT and provide free ski lessons (and ANC Traffic Survival lessons too boot)!  wink 


25 Logan22L : Sounds like the beginning of a possible LAS meet. I've actually never been, so I'm open for suggestions. I know there have been some threads about hot
26 KiwiinOz : Look I don't want to appear like a killjoy, and hey, I'm miles away so this invitation really doesn't apply to me....but if I were in the States, I'm
27 Post contains images AeroWesty : Sweetie, that's why we'll have popcorn. Now for hotels, I prefer Caesar's Palace, but anywhere's fine. I can slum it with the best of 'em.
28 Srbmod : Good luck trying to get rooms. Most places are already booked solid for that weekend.
29 Searpqx : Make it Vegas in February and I might just make it - lots of cheap deals from the islands then. I'll even offer to moderate, I've got a background as
30 Post contains images Logan22L : I certainly don't think that highly of myself. I was making a point that people can slam me or anyone else, and I do the same sometimes, but I'm more
31 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Exactly It'll just cost more . . . Last year I booked for LAS within 2 weeks of the race, no problem. But thanks for the heads up . . . . Regardless,
32 Ilikeyyc : Hi y'all. I won't partake in an argument, but I volunteer to help plan and moderate this meet if it is on a day that I can attend. And if someone else
33 StuckinMAF : LAS sounds great, count me IN, debate or not! I'd just be happy to have the chance to shake hands with Logan22L with a joy buzzer, a squirting flower
34 AeroWesty : :: light cigarette ::
35 Post contains images Logan22L : I'd be happy to reciprocate with a "Cleveland Steamer." Let's see if we can get a bunch of people on the same page here. I just did some quick lookin
36 Cadet57 : Looks like you all got a place, LAS, i was gonna say, lets do the liberal capital of the US, BOS! but i guess, not, wouldhave loved to see this, and i
37 StuckinMAF : For the more CONSERVATIVE-minded among us, I can get from MAF-LAS RT for a little over $300 on WN (and I'm sure there will be a sale betWeeN now and t
38 AeroWesty : I will know if I need to go back to NY again sometime in March/April by the end of the first week of January. Until then I don't want to influence any
39 StuckinMAF : I hope everybody understood that as the Howard Johnson's! (You just blew your complimentary ride on the whoopie cushion, AeroWesty!) Housekeeping mat
40 Searpqx : Our condo goes on the market in March, so that may restrict my mobility, but other than that I have no restrictions on date. So I'll go with whatever
41 Post contains images AeroWesty : Quite alright, I'm a top. (But bonus points for the way in which you worded it.) As long as STL isn't in charge. I hear he has a fondness for casino
42 ANCFlyer : Checking work schedule: 2/17-2/28 and 3/24-3/29 and 5/12-5/25 are good for me . . . anything else is a no go . . . I'm flexible within those dates. An
43 AeroWesty : Those are actually good dates to consider, since it's after the NASCAR rush, before Easter, and at the tail end of Spring Break.
44 StuckinMAF : Pretty much doesn't matter to me, I have both seniority and rank at my job, so unless a big change is taking place, I'm OK whenever.
45 Post contains images Logan22L : Au contraire.......................................................................... Your attendance is mandatory. I wanna shoot craps with you and
46 AeroWesty : Just think what the debate will be like.
47 Logan22L : Not quite as civilized.
48 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I would gladly come.
49 Post contains images Logan22L : You already came during Bush's speech tonight.
50 N1120A : I agree that New Orleans is the perfect place for this meeting. You have service from all legacies, WN and B6 as well as supporting the economy of a
51 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Consider it done . . . give me dates, I'll buy the tickets tonight! I'm not sure LVPD will know the difference! There's a sure bet! On Parole are we!
52 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Twice. And I was in the car having to listen to it on NPR. Well, you do what you have to do..........but I can't make any promises.
53 Post contains images Logan22L : OK, enough levity. Let's agree on a weekend and a mutual hotel/casino to get rooms. If you buggers can't do it, I'll have to enlist Ian to make this h
54 ANCFlyer : 3/25 - 3/29 . . . that works for me. Enough lead time . . . Pick a Hotel . . . doesn't matter to me.
55 AeroWesty : I'll have what he's having. (With firm commitment by first week of Jan.)
56 Post contains images Logan22L : OK, I think our drunk cop means 3/24 - 3/27. I'll check the rates, and get back to you all.
57 N1120A : Again, New Orleans. Harrah's will be open then and there will be hotels as well.
58 AeroWesty : ... what about construction workers? Must...resist...temptation.
59 Logan22L : With you, mate, but...I've never been to Las Vegas, and this looks like a perfect time to do it. As the dickhead who started this thread, I want to s
60 Post contains images N1120A : We all know you want them Westy The average high is in the high 60s
61 Post contains images AeroWesty : And in the low 50's/high 40's at 7AM ... all the better for the whores to be hanging onto you, Logan. Shhhh, I have a reputation to protect. I think.
62 N1120A : Precisely.
63 ANCFlyer : My weekends are different - because of work. . . . These dates work too. I'll leave ANC on a 3/23 red eye . . . be in Vegas for lunch. Will depart on
64 AeroWesty : (I am soooo pwn3d.)
65 Logan22L : Do we have a consensus? March 24th - March 27th, give or take a day on either end. Now, let's agree on a venue.
66 Post contains images AeroWesty : If someone says Mustang Ranch ...
67 ANCFlyer : Flamingo or Excalibur seem to have the best rate so say Travelocity and Orbitz . . .[Edited 2005-12-19 07:10:09]
68 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : Keep us updated on the dates. My schedule is full in March and the first part of April but who knows. Will there be a security check at the door of th
69 AeroWesty : (I heard something about ANC doing a TSA imitation, but that could just be a vicious rumor spread by them lying liberal bastids.)
70 ANCFlyer : I'll do my best to find a retard mask before I leave ANC. . . I have the wand already . . .
71 Stlgph : Let's do the Flamingo. Much better location.
72 AeroWesty : Do you have a reputation to maintain too, dear?
73 Stlgph : Of course, which is why I want to be where the people are. I don't tend to spend lavish amounts on a room because I'm not in the room much anyway. Af
74 AeroWesty : So how's the Flamingo these days? I've not stayed there since it was a Hilton (yeah, a few years back). The best price I've found so far is buying the
75 Post contains images Searpqx : So it's been said. . . I'll mark the calendar
76 STLGph : The Flamingo is decent. Parts of the casino have been nice to me. Other parts, not so much. I know there are a few fans of the Flamingo out there that
77 Logan22L : Flamingo looks like a good deal. Are we now getting a concensus on a venue???
78 Dougloid : I'll supply the Preparation H LOL
79 Srbmod : Count me in as well, at least for Friday night and Saturday (Leaving Sunday morning). I'll gladly chip in on a room. Doing a little research, I found
80 DL021 : Put up a list of who and when. If possible I'll be there....the wife and I were thinking about the end of February but the timing is flexible. DL021
81 STLGph : If you want to turn this into a -REAL- good time, just simply get the Penthouse at the Bellagio and have a good 20 of us staying in the same room. Jus
82 Srbmod : You better come ya hump. Heck, I'll be going to the airport as soon as I get home from work that Friday.....
83 Post contains images Logan22L : I'm in for March 24 - March 27 (well, parts of the bookend days). The whole shebang with taxes at the Flamingo is $578 (Travelocity - I checked airlin
84 AeroWesty : Sounds marvelous. Maybe we should do one of those meet type lists and copy/paste the list to add people. Attendees: Logan22L AeroWesty (to confirm fi
85 STLGph : I'm in. As of now. Committed to at least Saturday night.
86 STLGph : Logan22L AeroWesty (to confirm first week of Jan.) stlgph (confirming now unless i have a gig that i can't refuse) okay, i followed directions now[Edi
87 Post contains images ANCFlyer :    Flamingo, 24-27 March . . . plus or minus a plane ride . . . Attendees: Logan22L AeroWesty (to confirm first week of Jan.) ANCFlyer STLGPH I'll
88 Post contains images Logan22L : Like I'm gonna risk falling asleep while you're in the room. Cool. My first Vegas trip. So, can someone tell me, for budgetary purposes, what are the
89 ANCFlyer : $5 I usually play the $10 tables . . . but minimum bets at BJ at $5. I also enjoy Roulette . . . and minimum bets on the numbers are usually $1. I'll
90 Searpqx : Count me in - only thing that will keep me away is a condo closing: Flamingo, 24-27 March . . . plus or minus a plane ride . . . Attendees: Logan22L A
91 Usnseallt82 : I'm in from what I can tell at this point. I won't know until closer to the date, but I should be good to go.
92 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Just like the damn Navy, don't know shit til it's on top of 'em . . . Hey, I had to take the shot, it was an open target . . . never, ever miss a tar
93 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Bullshit..................we swim in it first. Thank you for your words of wisdom halibut man. My life is now complete.
94 TheCoz : All this talk about Vegas, but no mention of hookers? Who wants to get a hooker with me?
95 STLGph : did you miss the part where i'm going?
96 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I BETTER see you in Vegas . . . I might need help with the civilian populace . . . being light weights and all, we may have to play nursemaid.
97 Logan22L : Don't want to get banned. Signed, Me[Edited 2005-12-20 06:15:37]
98 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Hey, wrong thread . . . . I'll be ticketed by tomorrow night . . . . AS has the best deal as far as $$$, but I'll be probably be on US/HP. Flamingo i
99 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I don't doubt it at all. You get a bunch of guys who haven't had much since college together with the atmosphere that will be there and I'm sure we'l
100 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I'll drag a 6 along in case they don't sell it in Vegas . . . I drink Scotch when I'm gambling . . . but in a pinch, alcohol will suffice. . . .
101 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Nah, you'll probably get pegged for transporting it. I drink Tanqueray while gambling, so I'm good. But.........nice cop out. I'll be trying it somed
102 Logan22L : You're dealing with a pro here, MF. Bring a spare liver.
103 Post contains images TheCoz : I imagine this would be Usnseallt82 right about now.
104 767Lover : I'm sorry, I won't be able to come to the meet. I have to spend the money on health insurance and disability insurance premiums so that government mon
105 Jush : As i have nothing to do with your topics i still recognize that you are back from your ban. Hi Regds jush
106 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Nah, a liver is overrated. I used my spare one a long time ago.
107 AeroWesty : To properly update the list: Flamingo, 24-27 March . . . plus or minus a plane ride . . . Attendees: Logan22L AeroWesty (to confirm first week of Jan.
108 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I can't wait to meet you..................................toots.
109 Logan22L : Seeing as how this has evolved into a bona fide LAS meet, what say we lock this thread up and I'll start a new one about the meet.
110 ANCFlyer : Do it.
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