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War On Iraq - An A.net Opinion Poll  
User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Hey all,

I usually stay out of threads on Iraq, although they dominate the boards. Like many of you, I often wish they wouldn't get so out of control, so that more people could express views clearly. I also wonder how many 'moderates' stay about of the debates because they don't want to seem too beholden to one 'side'.

It occurred to me that it would be interesting to have a simple poll among us a.netters to try and get a bigger 'overall' view of where people stand on this. What can I say - polls interest me.

So what I would ask is that, without debate or complaint (in this particular thread), you just answer these very simple two questions. I'll collect the results.

p.s. I'm not doing this to make a point, because I honestly don't know how the poll will turn out. I'm just sincerely curious to see how we Non-Av users will "break down" on this issue. So, please answer these questions, without too much additional comment, and we'll see how it turns out.

Question 1: Are you from or are you a citizen of one of the countries initially involved in the military action in Iraq? (USA, Great Britain, Australia, Poland, others in the coalition). I ask this question because it isn't always clear from the flags in the profiles!

Question 2: What is your assessment of the justification for the military action initiated by the coalition in Iraq? Please choose one of:

a) Completely or mostly justified
b) Overall justified, but somewhat problematic
c) Overall unjustified, although there were some good reasons for the action
d) Completely unjustified


Next flight.... who knows.
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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

I'll start off:

1) No (from Canada)

2) c



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

1. Yes
2. a
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User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

1. Yes
2. B


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User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

1. Yes
2. C





 


User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

1. Yes
2. A
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User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

1) No

2) C

Yadda yadda


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

1. Yes
2 D. with a caveat: There are good results for the Iraqi people, but those cannot be couched as reasons for the war after the fact.

Let me also add that the primary stated reason for the war (WMDs) did not sound implausible at the time. In 2003, my gut feeling was that Iraq had them stockpiled somewhere.

[Edited 2005-12-21 03:41:05]


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Quoting Jean Leloup (Thread starter):
Question 1: Are you from or are you a citizen of one of the countries initially involved in the military action in Iraq? (USA, Great Britain, Australia, Poland, others in the coalition). I ask this question because it isn't always clear from the flags in the profiles!

Yes: USA

Quoting Jean Leloup (Thread starter):
Question 2: What is your assessment of the justification for the military action initiated by the coalition in Iraq? Please choose one of:

a) Completely or mostly justified
b) Overall justified, but somewhat problematic
c) Overall unjustified, although there were some good reasons for the action
d) Completely unjustified

b) Overall justified, but somewhat problematic


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

1. No
2. D

That's all.



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

1. Yes - 2 Countries, Poland and USA.
2. B - Overall justified but with problems.

I beat ANCflyer thats all that counts in the coalition war  Silly


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

1)Yes

2)A

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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

1) Yes

2) C (though to be honest at the time, while I didn't agree with the war, I did assume we'd find WMDs - so I probably would have been B on invasion day)



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User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 1):
1) No (from Canada)

2) c

What he said



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User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

1. Yes
2. B

Regards



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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

1. Yes

2. B

Added BS to satisfy the BS filter.



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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

1.) Yes
2.) C

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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

1) Yes
2) B but I don't really know and neither does anyone else on this website. Only time will tell.


User currently offlineBasas From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

1) No (from Canada)
2) A


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3014 times:
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Yes
A and B
It was, and is justified....but the problems come from the prewar promises that wmds would be found when the point was that we believed they were there and did not feel that we could take the chance they weren't or would not be used.

ANd I'd like to commend those who point out that their current view is different than their prewar view due to hindsight and current knowledge.



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

1 Yes
2 B, due to the media in America and poll watching politicians trying to cause us to loose the war.


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

1. Yes (Australia)
2. B.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

1) Yes

2) B

-Mir



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User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3621 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

1. Yes, USA.

2. B. I think our intentions are good, but there are some serious problems we have to deal with.


User currently offline3DoorsDown From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Quoting Jean Leloup (Thread starter):
Question 1: Are you from or are you a citizen of one of the countries initially involved in the military action in Iraq? (USA, Great Britain, Australia, Poland, others in the coalition). I ask this question because it isn't always clear from the flags in the profiles!

USA

Quoting Jean Leloup (Thread starter):
Question 2: What is your assessment of the justification for the military action initiated by the coalition in Iraq? Please choose one of:

b) Overall justified, but somewhat problematic


25 SESGDL : 1. Yes, USA 2. d) The whole basis for going to war was false. Jeremy
26 SFOMEX : 1. Yes 2. C. I didn't support invading Iraq, but I'm glad that its people is now free.
27 Kovi17 : 1. Yes 2. c ..........
28 NoUFO : 1. No. 2. c) I opposed to war but not categorically 12 das ist das Ziel der Zeit, Susi hat ein Loch im Kleid.
29 Daedaeg : 1. Yes 2. B .......
30 STLGph : 1. U.S.A. 2. D filler filler
31 AvObserver : Yes - U.S.A. D. - Completely unjustified; owing to that the intelligence on WMDs was wrong. I, too, was initially in favor of the invasion, thinking t
32 Noelg : Question 1: Yes - UK Question 2: d) Completely unjustified Nothing can ever justify taking a country to war. The invasion of Iraq was based on a lie -
33 SonOfACaptain : 1.) Yes (USA) 2.) B I believe we are doing good over there, but the question is, was it worth it? -SOAC
34 Post contains images Oldeuropean : 1.) No (why should we have been so stupid?) 2.) definitely D (the only good point is, that Saddam was removed. But the US always had supported dictato
35 Post contains images Oldeuropean : What? Are you sure? ... what are you talking about? Axel [Edited 2005-12-21 10:02:20]
36 VonRichtofen : 1. No (Canada) 2. C bd bd bd that's all folks
37 ACDC8 : 1. No 2. With out a question "D" Completely unjustified.
38 Kiwiandrew : 1) no - New Zealand 2) I want an option in between B and C - I believe that the justification used was utter nonsense - but Saddam is/was a genocidal
39 Dragon-wings : 1. Yes (USA) 2. D: We went to war on lies. Remember Bush during the State of the Union speech? Remember Bush and Powell at the UN saying that we (the
40 Thorben : 1. No, German 2. C These reasons being the removal of the butcher Saddam and the end to the crippling and devastating sanctions. (Threads like this on
41 RichardPrice : 1. GB 2. C And some extra text to make this post long enough.
42 RichardPrice : Its 2007 already?! Damn I got up late this morning.
43 Gkirk : 1. Yes - UK 2. C - The Removal of Saddam Hussein from power being the only good point, otherwise I would have went with D
44 Doona : 1. No - Sweden I'm with the Kiwi on this one. Cheers Mats
45 Jwenting : a) completely justified. Under the 1991 armistice documents all UN members have the obligation to enforce the full and unrestricted access to any site
46 Post contains images EZEIZA : 1) Yes ... well, more or less (Italy) 2) D I was wondering over C or D, but I decided on D because although some good things might have come out becau
47 Post contains images Skidmarks : a) Yes b) B Andy
48 Post contains images Oldeuropean : Yep, if they want, they could kick them in their a**. It seems that lunatics are in a strangely way attractive for voters. And I hope that the small
49 Post contains images Doona : I thought he made it illegal to prosecute him while he's in office? Cheers Mats
50 Noelg : Sorry I didn't make it too clear in my response. I was referring to when the USA started its search for the mythical WMDs. This has been going on far
51 Gkirk : Quite clever if true then
52 Post contains images Oldeuropean : Laws can be changed again. And wasn`t there an arrest warrant for him in Spain? Axel[Edited 2005-12-21 12:56:08]
53 ME AVN FAN : Question 1: No Question 2: c = some good points, but insufficient justification -
54 RichardPrice : But thats the problem, a UN *member* cannot take up the obligations of the *UN*, it takes the UN Security Council to authorise such force by granting
55 FOMEA : 1/ Yes 2/ C Regards F-OMEA.
56 Doona : I think the official reason was "so he could execute his duties more efficiently". I'm just waiting for when he will make elections illegal. Cheers M
57 Jean Leloup : Well, here are the results so far (taking into account posts up until #55). Thanks for participating! Coalition Countries a) Completely or mostly just
58 Kiwiandrew : perhaps , to be blunt about it , they are the people who have been seeing body bags coming home which has made them think more deeply about the price
59 Fubar37 : My answers: 1) No 2) d
60 Post contains images RobertNL070 : Very good thread Jean LeLoup with not a flame-suit or fire extinguisher in sight ...........yet Yes. The Netherlands and the United Kingdom. c) Regard
61 Aviationmaster : 1) No (Switzerland) 2) B
62 Nordair : 1) No 2) d It's a given that Saddam is a loathesome murderer. And he should never have been in power to begin with. But reasons used to drum up public
63 BR076 : 1) yes, Netherlands 2) C
64 Logan22L : 1. Yes 2. c BTW, this is a perfect example of why the "message too short" feature is way off base.
65 Post contains images Texan : Mark said it really well. Texan
66 Tbar220 : 1) Yes 2) Between C and D, the war was unjustified but some of the results were good. I don't know if that equals "good reasons to go to war".
67 ORFflyer : Yes B And yes, I believe it has been worth it. Saddam and his two sons are out of business, and the Iraqi people are, for the most part, free from th
68 MattRB : 1. No. 2. D, with the same caveat as LHMARK.
69 Post contains images AGM100 : 1. Yes 2. *B *Marines are usually a problem for the bad guys
70 Seb146 : Yes, United States For the original use of force: D. But, as stated in other threads: you break it, you buy it. GO CANUCKS!!
71 Post contains images Schoenorama : Yes, the Netherlands; (not sure how you'd compute Spain on this one ) D, the military action was completely unjustified.
72 NonRevKing : #1 - Yes, USA #2 - D, I was against it then, and still am today. B
73 Jalto27R : 1. Yes 2. C Mike
74 Psa53 : 1.Yes 2.B 3.Set a time frame for a pull out.
75 OV735 : Yes D. Sucks, doesn't it?
76 Bushpilot : 1. yes. 2. C I was one who believed the lies and wasnt against the idea in the first place. When they didnt use WMDs during the invasion I had the sin
77 Stoney : 1.) No (Switzerland) 2.) c
78 Psa53 : But there would be today if we didn't act.Knowing what Iran is doing,Saddam would have never sat still knowing Iraq could have turn into a wasteland.
79 QuestAir : Question 1) Yes. Question 2) D.
80 FXramper : 1) this shouldn't matter. 2) a.
81 DrDeke : Question 1: Yes, USA Question 2: 10% C, 90% D if you want to be technical. Otherwise "D". Caveat: On the day of invasion, I would have given a 33% cha
82 Bushpilot : I highly doubt that, Saddam would have sat still, he already was, because he would have used WMD if he had them. He knew we were coming after him, no
83 Braybuddy : Q1: No Q2: D .........
84 Jean Leloup : Alright, a quick update on results, through post #81: Overall Approval Rating: 40% Approval Rating among Coalition Country Members: 43% Approval Ratin
85 Exarmywarrant : 1: Yes...USA 2: A
86 BritPilot777 : 1) YES, England 2) A BP777
87 Legend500 : 1. Yes, Texas 2. B
88 StuckinMAF : 1. Yes 2. a filler
89 StevenUhl777 : 1. Yes...USA 2. B Supported it then, support it now. That said, it appears the intelligence that everyone (not just Bush, but ALL involved) was questi
90 Post contains images NoUFO : Double post! Cheater!
91 Matt27 : No, Sweden. C
92 HAWK21M : 1.NO 2.C regds MEL
93 QR332 : 1. No (Jordanian) 2. D
94 Post contains images Thorben : Interesting that the non-coalition people give answers c and d in 79% of the posts, while people from coalition countries only give these answers in 5
95 Simo82 : 1. Yes 2. D Ciao Simo
96 Post contains images StuckinMAF : Oh Man! Just wanted to see if anybody noticed! I was going to IM Jean Leloup and not let him count it after the next round anyway, being the stand-up
97 Klaus : 1) No. 2) D. Causality: Indifference - Indoctrination - Hysteria - Chagrin - Embarrassment.
98 WhiteHatter : 1. Yes 2. C (should have happened first time round. In fact could have been much easier to accomplish in the early 90s with a clear reason to get rid
99 StevenUhl777 : As long as they don't gas the Kurds or run their opponents through meat grinders like Saddam's cronies did, I'll support them. Did you trust Saddam?
100 Post contains images Fumanchewd : Perhaps this thread isn't so impartial!? ...or just a different perspective on the world and life. Don't be so cynical. To the US it's starting to lo
101 Halls120 : Agree with the grades, and the analysis. Would also add that in removing Saddam, we removed a murdering tyrant who was responsible for butchering hun
102 MD11LuxuryLinr : 1. USA 2. C Yup.
103 THVGJP : 1. Yes (USA and UA) 2. A If you suspected your kid was hiding lets say drugs in his room and he denied it, you would want to search right?. It is your
104 Clipperhawaii : 1. USA 2. A. Justified. Yesterday, today, and tomorrow. JUSTIFIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now let the Iraqis enjoy their new beginnings of a new found democr
105 Stall : Wait a minute !!! Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran in the 80s. Why didn't we invade Iraq a that time ??? Iraq used gas against Kurd population
106 Post contains links and images Thorben : You support these kind of people? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005/12/11/AR2005121101002_pf.html The invasion of Kuwait was nothing but a
107 THVGJP : Sure can, just look how Saddam was (prewar)and is behaving in captivity. Like a child My 7 yo kid with ADD behaves better than him. Most of his behav
108 Thorben : He probably is a nut, but still one country can't just treat another country like parents treat their kids.
109 Sebolino : Interesting. I say 1) No 2) D with the same comment as LHMARK. About the last sentence: you had this feeling because you were manipulated by your pre
110 Thorben : And the Iranians probably laugh about the US since it can't even control third rated enemies like those in Afghanistan and Iraq.
111 Dougloid : 1. Yes 2. C Nation building sucks. It's expensive and time consuming. The benefit is to the Iraqis who get out from under a brutal dictator-at least f
112 THVGJP : They will be the only one laughing, the rest of the world will be crying when in a few months to a year or so they (Iranians) detonate a nuke. Their
113 N229NW : 1.) Yes, USA 2.) D Have believed from the beginning that this war was both morally wrong and practically (tactically) wrong for the region and for US
114 StevenUhl777 : Good question. We should have. Good question. We should have. A few bad apples? No. What those few soldiers did isn't right, but then they didn't exa
115 Thorben : I agree with most of your post, but not with this part. I just read in a serious German online source that there are more and more indications that t
116 QANTASforever : Question 1) Yes. Question 2) B.
117 NWADC9 : 1. Yes, USA 2. A: Completely or mostly justified
118 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Ha Ha Ha, you mean this one: US To Attack Iran In 2006 - "Der Spiegel" (by Beaucaire Dec 23 2005 in Non Aviation) With Der Spiegel quoting
119 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Bullshit. The Israeli's will take care of the matter before we will.
120 NWA742 : 1. Yes, USA 2. A combination of A & B -- I think we were justified in going to war, but it has been problematic. -NWA742
121 Usnseallt82 : Oops, forgot to answer the poll....... I'm with NWA742..... 1. Yes 2. A, but unfortunately B as well
122 StevenUhl777 : I give it 60 days, tops. If that idiot for a president in Iran makes any more nuke threats and denies the Holocaust again, he's toast.
123 Usnseallt82 : I agree. The rest of the world has sufficient reason to want to blow his ass away, but Israel has a direct threat. I'm pretty sure they won't hesitat
124 Post contains links and images Thorben : That's what I meant. This man may be controversial, but they also bring in Seymour Hersh and facts about recent and intensive talks between US and Tu
125 Post contains images ANCFlyer : A moderator warned me once that I used the word bullshit too often. It seems like a simple yet all encompassing term to describe some of the inane po
126 RichardPrice : The no fly zones were not a UN imposed thing, and by ignoring them Iraq breached no UN resolutions.
127 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Oh, let's see.........just the fact that they've SAID SO and that their military forces are on alert right now. I think its safe to say that they're
128 Post contains images Airbuzz : 1) Yes 2) Same as SOC. ... Sigh. If a few Iraqis will be still alive, and not killed by some bomb or US soldier near a checkpoint.
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