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Why Is America Hated?  
User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Just a question. And for those who want to bitch about "America". Go around the world and ask about America, The answer will be about the U.S.A. For those of you in South America, Sorry about that but life's tough. BTW I would go to S. America for vacation more then anywhere else.(well Halifax was GREAT when I went there)

Dan in Jupiter

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User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Quoting Sprout5199 (Thread starter):
Halifax was GREAT when I went there

Yes, Halifax is a very nice place. I've spent several cumulative years there. I almost consider it home.


User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

I'm missing the point of this thread...

Quoting Sprout5199 (Thread starter):
Just a question

There is no question asked in your post



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

HAHAHA, I just responded in the Mexican thread that perhaps a reason the US is disliked is because it is a duplitious country, and that this is why there are so many 'why do people dislike the USA', threads...

Like I just responded in a prior thread, I think a big reason is because the US is duplitious.

Look how Americans get mad about Mexico and how they are bashing the USA for the way they are treating Mexican migrants, yet Mexico treats Central American migrants at least just as bad (which is true). Look how Americans get mad about France and their double talk in several bilateral issues. It is frustrating...

That is how many other people in other countries see the US, as duplitious. They say they are for democracy but crop up dictatorships like Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc, because it is in US interests. The US says they are for free trade but do not wish free trade for agriculture and place protectionist barriers against foreign steel. They say that other countries should not have nukes yet the US keeps developing new types of nuclear weapons. The US blasts other countries for their human rights abuses yet the death penalty is still on and even minors are executed. The issue about US military treatment of terrorists is another issue also.

Basically, I think a major objection around the world is that the United States has no moral ground to be dictating or judging other nations.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Shit, here we go again.

America isn't hated. Some Americans and some American policies are hated. Some people just don't like it. Virtually everyone on this board that either despises an American or two or despises American foreign policies likes America.

Some of course don't, but that's the norm.

So tell me . . .

The point of this thread?

Another thread that says: It's a free for all beat the shit out the USA thread.



Oh, and this question duplicates a thread no two months old. Why waste your time.


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):
Look how Americans get mad about Mexico and how they are bashing the USA for the way they are treating Mexican migrants, yet Mexico treats Central American migrants at least just as bad (which is true). Look how Americans get mad about France and their double talk in several bilateral issues.

This only goes to show that all countries have problems and are hypocritical in many respects. It has nothing to do with "no moral ground". That statement may be true, but it would be equally true in regards to all countries.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Quoting Sprout5199 (Thread starter):
Just a question

You must not have finished, since you never answered the question. You must be smoking the same stuff Matt D did.

Harry



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 5):
This only goes to show that all countries have problems and are hypocritical in many respects. It has nothing to do with "no moral ground". That statement may be true, but it would be equally true in regards to all countries

No of course all countries spin things to suit their interests, I didn't mean to say the US was particularly hypocritical. The difference is that it is the US government that constantly comes out with 'reports' about how other countries are behaving and should behave, which I think is a big reason the rest of the world gets irritated.

We know that if France, or Russia, or even the UK came with reports blasting the US on human rights, or pollution, or the economy, many Americans would say 'who are they to judge, their economies are a mess.' And Americans have reacted like that in the past. It is the same condition the other way around.



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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 7):
We know that if France, or Russia, or even the UK came with reports blasting the US on human rights, or pollution, or the economy, many Americans would say 'who are they to judge, their economies are a mess.' And Americans have reacted like that in the past. It is the same condition the other way around.

I think that your generalisations are off base. France and Russia have openly condemed the Iraq torture, economic inbalances, and a bunch of other stuff. Perhaps, you have selective hearing and reading habits?


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):
Basically, I think a major objection around the world is that the United States has no moral ground to be dictating or judging other nations.

I don't think Argentina has any room to be judging the United States over morality.  no 



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

Well we can start with Canada, who we owe $5 billion, they might not like us for that.

We can talk about Mexico and how they dislike us ther because of NAFTA.

We can go further south and talk about the dislike that Chavez is fermenting in Venezuela.

Going across the pond, many Europeans don't like us because of the war in Iraq.

In the middle east its the same deal, war in Iraq, troops on their soil, etc. etc.

But most of all, I see this dislike because we say one thing but do another. As a government, we reek of hypocrisy.

Just a few examples:
- If we're supposed to be the shining beacon of freedom and democracy, if we're supposed to be spreading these ideals in Iraq, why are we torturing? Why is there scandal at Abu Gharaib? Guantanamo Bay? Why did Bush Co. push so hard for torture? Say one thing, do another.
- Free trade, we pretty much screwed Canada over royally and we still owe them five billion dollars. We support free trade, except when its against our best interests? Say one thing, do another.
- We want to support human rights and push for freedoms, and yet we are the only western nation to still have the death penalty. We say we are in Iraq to save them from Sadaam, but we're not doing anything in Darfur. Huh? If we're going to be the world's policeman, why Iraq and not Darfur? Why Iraq and not Iran or N. Korea, where the threat seems more ominous?

There's more, but over the last couple of decades, we "stand" for some great ideal, but we don't behave as if we do. We don't walk to the talk.



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 8):
think that your generalisations are off base. France and Russia have openly condemed the Iraq torture, economic inbalances, and a bunch of other stuff. Perhaps, you have selective hearing and reading habits?

And how have many Americans reacted to such comments? By saying that France has no grounds to tell the US anything about economic policy given their sluggish growth and unemployment (Wall Street Journal). Or by saying Russia is strife with human rights abuses so who are they to tell the US anything about human rights. And both sentiments have strong basis in fact. It's not like Americans can't rightfully say to France or Russia 'who are you to tell us, look at your own countries'.

If we are trying to find the root cause of the 'dislike' of the US or US government I really think it comes down to that basic human emotion that one shoudn't throw stones from a glass house.



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 9):
I don't think Argentina has any room to be judging the United States over morality

Though your response is insulting to say the least, particularly since you give no evidence to support such ridiculous claim, nowhere in this thread were we discussing Argentina judging the US. Thumbs down to you.



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User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):
Basically, I think a major objection around the world is that the United States has no moral ground to be dictating or judging other nations.

But I think Different. We have every right to do that. WHY you ask? Because we have been there done that and have the t-shirt. We have had slavery, gender inequality, and racism, but we have over came that. we have had religious hatred, native killing, and more. But if you ask ANYONE in the US if they would rather live anywhere else in the world, they would say NO. WHY? Because the US is the land of hope. And that is why no matter how strong China, India, or anyone else gets, the U.S.of A. will always be looked apon as the model for other countries. We may not be the Best but condsidering the options, dont bet against US.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 11):
If we are trying to find the root cause of the 'dislike' of the US or US government I really think it comes down to that basic human emotion that one shoudn't throw stones from a glass house.

But I have heard the French, German, and Russian governments complain. Perhaps you are only listening to anti-US media in Argentinia. I understand, I may be incorrect, that there is a very strong sentiment there. Isn't this the same kind of complaining that your are complaining about. Smile Its pretty funny but all I hear is people complaining.

Albert Camus called it the "judge-penitent". Judging others compromises your own integrity.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Quoting Sprout5199 (Thread starter):
Why Is America Hated?

The world doesn't hate America.

They just hate crap-chester.



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 13):
But I think Different. We have every right to do that. WHY you ask? Because we have been there done that and have the t-shirt. We have had slavery, gender inequality, and racism, but we have over came that. we have had religious hatred, native killing, and more. But if you ask ANYONE in the US if they would rather live anywhere else in the world, they would say NO. WHY? Because the US is the land of hope. And that is why no matter how strong China, India, or anyone else gets, the U.S.of A. will always be looked apon as the model for other countries. We may not be the Best but condsidering the options, dont bet against US.

Been there done that is not a valid reason whatsoever. Many Americans get upset when countries without the death penalty tell the US to abolish it... Couldn't that be considered a 'been there done that' situation. Or take gay rights. Maybe you can see that, to Europe and other countries, the US hasn't been there or done that. But most Americans would tell those countries to butt out. It's the same when it comes to slavery, gender equality, in other places around the world. People in those regions want the US to butt out.

I'm sure most Americans would not want to live anywhere else because economically speaking there really aren't many other choices in terms of living standards.



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 13):
But I have heard the French, German, and Russian governments complain. Perhaps you are only listening to anti-US media in Argentinia. I understand, I may be incorrect, that there is a very strong sentiment there. Isn't this the same kind of complaining that your are complaining about. Its pretty funny but all I hear is people complaining.

No you are not. I know that other countries, specially in Europe, complain. Where did I say they didn't?? In fact I've said that in terms of economic policy, the Europeans really can't tell the United States much. Or Russia when it comes to human rights. I did say that.



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 12):
Though your response is insulting to say the least, particularly since you give no evidence to support such ridiculous claim, nowhere in this thread were we discussing Argentina judging the US.

No, but you have made claims that the U.S. has no moral ground to judge other nations. I simply pointed out that Argentina doesn't have a very pleasant track record in the past when it comes to morality. (hint: human rights)

Don't get your panties in a wad. You're just calling the kettle black, Mr. Pot, and someone called you out on it.



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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 17):
No you are not. I know that other countries, specially in Europe, complain. Where did I say they didn't??



Quoting Derico (Reply 7):
We know that if France, or Russia, or even the UK came with reports blasting the US on human rights, or pollution, or the economy, many Americans would say 'who are they to judge, their economies are a mess.'

Because of the word if, I assumed that you were implying that they haven't. However, if you were presenting it in a hypothetical manner, than I would agree with you. Smile


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 18):
No, but you have made claims that the U.S. has no moral ground to judge other nations. I simply pointed out that Argentina doesn't have a very pleasant track record in the past when it comes to morality. (hint: human rights)

Don't get your panties in a wad. You're just calling the kettle black, Mr. Pot, and someone called you out on it

And we can reverse your quote the other way around and apply it to you, Mr Pot... You see this is the point I'm trying to make!

The question was 'why do people hate the USA', which admittedly is not a well phrased question, certainly 'people' don't hate the USA in the meaning of that word at all, and it's not like many people don't like the USA either.

I think that if there is a reason, it can be traced to your reaction Unseallt: you did not appreciate my seemingly judgemental comment on the US (and BTW, I'm not speaking on behalf of Argentina here, I'm speaking in behalf of Derico). It's the same reaction many people around the world have when Americans or the US make comments on their societies.

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 19):
Because of the word if, I assumed that you were implying that they haven't. However, if you were presenting it in a hypothetical manner, than I would agree with you.

Yes, that is exactly how I was presenting it! I didn't mean it had never happened.

[Edited 2005-12-22 06:29:37]


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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

I think part of it is because America is the most powerful nation right now. People tend to have a chip on their shoulder with anything that's the "the biggest"

Listen to how many people bitch about McDonalds, but who's drive thru is the busiest?

Am I making sense here? lol

Kris



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
Well we can start with Canada, who we owe $5 billion, they might not like us for that.

And no offense to my Canadian Friends . we've covered their asses for decades, they need to STFU unless they'd like to field their own REAL Army and Navy.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
We can talk about Mexico and how they dislike us ther because of NAFTA.

Mexico dislikes US because of NAFTA - we ought to dislike ourselves because of NAFTA! The American worker lost on that deal - BIG. Just as did the American truck driver.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
We can go further south and talk about the dislike that Chavez is fermenting in Venezuela.

Fascist Asshole . . . . although he runs his country and that's his business, we put BILLIONS of US$$$$ into that economy. Let him piss of the oil companies and they leave - see what kind of desert Venezuela becomes.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
Going across the pond, many Europeans don't like us because of the war in Iraq.

If that is their only argument it's pretty gawddamn weak. Half of Europe we bailed out, the other half we rebuilt.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
In the middle east its the same deal, war in Iraq, troops on their soil, etc. etc.

But it's okay for them to blow up our buildings, kill our people, ridiculous.
Now - the Middle East is a different culture, I'll grant you . . . but it doesn't excuse the extremist assholes that the Middle Eastern government KNEW existed and did nothing about and in fact fostered their existence. Fuck em.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
why are we torturing?

Not a wide spread issue, and those that have been caught have been prosecuted . . .you hold no water here . . . .it's a bullshit retort.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
We want to support human rights and push for freedoms, and yet we are the only western nation to still have the death penalty.

Yet another bullshit retort. The Germans let hijacking murdering terrorists out of jail after 19 years . . . . they ought to fry his sorry ass in a grotesque and ugly manner.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
We don't walk to the talk.

And yest a third bullshit retort. . . not only do we walk the walk, we can talk the talk . . . . better than anyone else.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 21):
I think part of it is because America is the most powerful nation right now. People tend to have a chip on their shoulder with anything that's the "the biggest"

Yup! Big grin



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

If the US is so widely hated, why do so many people want to come here?


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25 Fumanchewd : Krispy Kreme ..crap, I spelled it Kream at first.[Edited 2005-12-22 06:39:02]
26 Luisde8cd : Hmmm I think it is pretty obvious that the US has no moral ground to judge other nations. Now if you feel offended by that, try giving arguments to c
27 Post contains images Derico : But Luis, I'm not talking on behalf of any country! See that's why I think they should get rid of those silly little flags...    Though the point I
28 Tbar220 : So why does the U.S. government push so hard for deals like NAFTA and CAFTA if it hurts workers in our country as well as countries like Mexico? Me't
29 Fumanchewd : To some extent, this is true. However, we should have been more critical of Sudan before it got out of control. The same can be said for 30's Germany
30 Derico : Well, we were talking more about soft issues like social policies, economic policies, etc. I think if there is a genocide going on somewhere, that is
31 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Me think you are correct. You know better, and you know what I've said about it. It was ordered from higher up . . .and I'm sure Dumsfeld is asshole
32 Arrow : None taken. Just give us our $5 billion back and we'll STFU.
33 Tbar220 : ANC, I think you understand what I was saying about the death penalty, not arguing for or against it. We may not be the only ones who can help in Darf
34 PPVRA : Doesn't Trinidad and Tobago have it also? Cheers
35 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I argee . . . and it always seems so . . . every time the shit hits the fan someone somewhere says, "Where's the US?" And I suppose rightfully so . .
36 Tbar220 : Because they're all just like us. They're all just looking out for their own asses and won't help people out when they need it, even if it means no g
37 ME AVN FAN : - # Few people in the world hate the USA, but many dis-agree with US foreign politics and possibly some particular aspects # "ok for them" ? you mean
38 Post contains images QANTASforever : You're not the only one, buddy. Exactly. People hate US political policy, not the country itself. I can understand how frustrated some Americans must
39 Gkirk : The USA isn't hated. The US Government and it's policies is hated by many people around the world however.
40 HAWK21M : No country can win a war on its own.The US thinks so.The World disagrees. regds MEL
41 Stall : The USA aren't hated. A lot of people disagree with the US government foreign politic but that doesn't mean they hate the US. If you doubt this ask yo
42 Jaysit : We're not hated, luv. Only our dimwit Dufus El Presidente is. Even the rattiest, tattiest, smelliest, hairiest Al Qaeda goon will admit that he loves
43 BHXFAOTIPYYC : Well politics often has a hidden agenda, and the above question regarding NAFTA could be asked of the UK regarding the EU. Since 1973, politicians ke
44 Kiwiandrew : I do not hate America or Americans , however , that does not prevent me from often being uncomfortable with some of the actions taken by US administra
45 Mrmeangenes : Is asking a question such as "Why is America hated ?" a bit like asking: "Have you stopped beating your wife ?" There are "America haters" in many par
46 Post contains images HAWK21M : Better to watch NDTV24x7 instead regds MEL
47 FDXMECH : I appreciate your post. But don't worry, I haven't met but a few (mostly on A.net) who were outwardly frustrated over such matters. The world must be
48 Matt D : Love. Hate. Envy. They all go hand in hand. 'Nuff said.
49 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : like USA-bashing on the internet ?
50 PIA777 : I think America is hated because they tell everyone that its a democracy but in fact it is an hippocracy. PIA777
51 Post contains images Fumanchewd : Oh great Jonnie Cochran has come back from the dead and now he's on a.net. That has to be one of the dumbest posts of the year.
52 FDXMECH : LOL. Good one.
53 Post contains images MattRB : Because some are unable to understand the fact that just because the leadership of a country is a bunch of arrogant s, it does not necessarily follow
54 FDXMECH : Correct. And not only Canada as you were referring but all countries.
55 Alessandro : All empires been hated and the USofA is an empire, even if it´s in decline....
56 RAMPRAT980 : I think its because we're the best show on earth, if not the UNIVERSE !!!!
57 PIA777 : The truth hurts, doesn't it? Its the most accurate post of the year. PIA777
58 PIA777 : Correct. PIA777
59 StuckinMAF : Jealousy.
60 StarAC17 : While I may agree with you about the army thing but this issue was taken to court and we won the case. That is like you a police officer being exempt
61 Jacobin777 : 1st.the united states isn't hated...its the people of the government who are hated.. also, hundreds of millions (if not, billions) believe the united
62 AeroWesty : And the foreign aid checks, too?
63 Daedaeg : America has a lot of power and influence culturally, economically and politcally and everyone wants a piece of it. It's human nature.
64 A332 : Right... outside of airlifting some equipment here and there, you've really done dick squat for Canada, outside of screwing us over on softwood lumbe
65 A332 : Oh... and to answer the original question... why is America Hated? Well... look no further than the current Bush administration, and the slight majori
66 Jwenting : Reason 1: jealousy. People see the US as a successstory they themselves can't replicate. It's common to kick against things you're jealous of. Reason
67 Post contains images Airbuzz : The most annoying fact about the USA government is that is always telling "I'm right, and you are wrong", while every week there are some news tellin
68 Scbriml : Doesn't this have more to do with the fact that a significant % of Americans have never even left the State they were born in? While the US contribut
69 Post contains images Matt D : in fact it is an hippocracy Well perhaps that's not so far from the truth. Although I can't imagine why anyone would hate us for being hippo land. See
70 Dougloid : Define duplitious. Not true. Haven't developed a new nuke in a while. How do you crop up a dictatorship-bury them in corn and rice? You're not trying
71 Toulouse : Agree with you Spout5199 and I'm glad you feel this way. But just remember one thing, ask the average European (me for example) if I'd like to live a
72 Slider : That's kinda it in a nutshell. You always hate the champ....everyone's sick of the New England Patriots now after 3 of 4 Super Bowl victories. Reason
73 ME AVN FAN : - exactly THIS is what is perceived as "typical" -- a "typcial statement" --- the reason for a lot of "misgivings"
74 Post contains images AGM100 : Jealousy ...... Thanks
75 Dougloid : Hey Mystery Man? How come you don't have a user profile? You don't exist. You don't even rate a stoplight and a Caseys.
76 Dougloid : God, how stupid of me! I didn't know that, yes, it was ALL because of zees devilish Americanos that were propping up Galtieri and the rest of his thu
77 ME AVN FAN : But I have a full profile. Just now clicked it on and it is there in full as before ! I really DO have a profile !
78 Dougloid : screen shot. No Such Member ME%20AVN%20FAN There is no such username registered in the Airliners.net discussion forum. Back
79 ME AVN FAN : go into the lists by alphabetic order, and proceed to page 94, and there you find it. Just checked it RIGHT NOW ! It is there !
80 ME AVN FAN : so you can either > access my profile directly from any of my posts > access my profile as indicated in the previous post > take a crash-course of "i
81 KiwiinOz : Strongly agree. And whether people agree or not on the foreign/military policy, the very nature of the policy means that it has a significant and dir
82 AeroWesty : Hmm, I ask if our foreign aid checks are as hated as our government, and the only response I get is "you don't do enough". I guess it is true. To be
83 ME AVN FAN : - well, well, well --- you confuse things, unfortunately. The "foreign aid checks" in favour of Egypt were a major point which drove Mohammed el-Amir
84 AeroWesty : It's a straightforward question no one's answered directly yet. Danced around it like Arthur Murray, yes. Answered it, no.
85 AirxLiban : Why is this thread still around while the previous one on the EXACT same topic was deleted less than an hour after the thread starting post? I had rep
86 Jean Leloup : A hippocracy? A 'hippocracy' would be a nation governed by horses, which would actually be pretty cool. JL
87 KiwiinOz : The last one reverted to merciless name-calling pretty quickly, which is always great sport but not popular with the mods. This one seems to have fol
88 ME AVN FAN : your question has been quite clearly answered in my post above. The answer is that the aid is NOT hated, but that many people in the receiver-countri
89 Post contains images Jacobin777 : those aid checks go to prop up those corrupt United States-supported governments... being a Dolphin Fan...I couldn't agree with you more....but they
90 Dougloid : Well....now you're getting personal. typical response of a powerless wimp....from a place that doesn't even rate a stoplight and a Caseys..hmmph. Pos
91 Dougloid : I knew it....by giving away all that money we did it to ourselves! Well, the Swiss never made THAT mistake, did they? Question? Where was Atta and hi
92 ME AVN FAN : the Swiss give considerable support to several countries, are for instance the most important donor to Mali. The Swiss Federal President just recentl
93 ME AVN FAN : You here talk about Mohammed el-Amir el-Atta, the ringleader of the 11Sep-stunt, I suppose. As he was born in 1968 and the USSR-Egypt alliance collap
94 Dougloid : I don't think I'd call it a stunt....it was a fucking disaster. You probably wouldn't think it was stunt either if you witnessed it or one of your re
95 ME AVN FAN : Very sad and tragic. He also worked out the masterplan for the restoration of the old city of Aleppo for two German universities. They carried his pr
96 AirPacific747 : thats why.. the feeling of hatred will always be there when countries think they are better than others.
97 Clipperhawaii : We all know that the U.S. is not hated. A bit of jealousy maybe for some but not hated. And for those few malcontents who do hate the U.S. you will ju
98 Pbottenb : Kiwiandrew - Again, I like your style. This is a good post. Not negative, yet it expresses your concerns. My sense is that for the most part, we Amer
99 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : Hmmfff. So it's the U.S.'s fault for being so powerful and thus having such far reaching global influence? You sound jealous. What's your solution th
100 ME AVN FAN : rather "force majeure", the coincidence that the only other superpower collapsed not correct. At the end of the 19th century there were Great Britain
101 Post contains links LesMainwaring : This is not my opinion one way or the other ... this is just something I read in a political column by U. S. writer Mark Shields... ... "First, the Un
102 ME AVN FAN : NOT really due to political steps or stances, but due to HOW the US-government gave them to the world no, NOT due to the war against Iraq, but (A) du
103 AirPacific747 : Why would we be jealous at you? We have our own culture which we love. And I know that in my country, the economy is still booming and everyone's ric
104 Kiwiandrew : I thought that I had taken great care to write my post in a 'non-blaming' manner - and judging by the responses I recieved prior to yours I thought I
105 Post contains images Dougloid : You really gotta provide some information before you make bold and sweeping statements like this one, It's pure nonsense and drivel. Anyone who can r
106 ME AVN FAN : THIS has NOTHING to do with ME ! I therefore have NO need to check or prove whether the details are correct or NOT it was YOUR most honourable Presid
107 LesMainwaring : ummm, as i stated twice in my post, i was only relaying information i found on cnn.com and not expressing my opinion either way ... i do believe the
108 ME AVN FAN : yes, I have seen that info on CNN.com also. As you see, some people in your country apparently do NOT regard CNN as a "credible source". Well, Mr Tur
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