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Beginning Of Permanent Troops Cuts In Iraq?  
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/23/iraq.main/index.html

Two Combat Brigades - approximately 7000 soldiers - will NOT be redeployed to Iraq.

Beginning of Permanent Cuts in US/UK Troops strength in Iraq?







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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

I sure hope so...our guys and gals put their lives on the line for the Iraqis, and we've lost many of our own, but they have done a great job (except the idiots at Abu Ghraib) in what they've done there.

But, it's time for the Iraqis to shit or get off the pot. We need to bring our folks home when it's prudent to do so, and let them pursue their own destiny.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

I sure hope this is permanent. Its time our men and women in uniform start coming home and away from the danger.

For every Iraqi brigade that is fully operational, an American brigade needs to leave IMO.



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Someone will find a way to make this a negative and pin it on Bush.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 2):
For every Iraqi brigade that is fully operational, an American brigade needs to leave IMO.

I quite agree.

Furthermore, I agree with StevenUhl777 here:

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 1):
But, it's time for the Iraqis to shit or get off the pot. We need to bring our folks home when it's prudent to do so

I understand the shit storm there we created for the most part - however, it's time to tell the Iraqi gov't, look fellas . . . . we ain't playin' nursemaid much longer . . . time for you to step into the batters box . . .


User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

It's a start, hopefully the pace will accelerate over the coming year. My personal opinion is that the significant Sunni participation in the recent election bodes well for substantial progress in the near future.

I think the topic checker came as close as I've ever seen to throwing realistic threads at you on this one - of course there's still a funny one or two in there.



Where are all of my respected members going?
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
I understand the shit storm there we created for the most part - however, it's time to tell the Iraqi gov't, look fellas . . . . we ain't playin' nursemaid much longer . . . time for you to step into the batters box . .

You broke it, you fix it.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):
You broke it, you fix it.

I don't think you'll find anyone disputing this Thorben. And I have said it myself, plenty of times.

That said: The Iraqi's are going to have to get on it. As they field operational units, we can depart. We wil leave a contingent there - for a decade or so - to provide followon training and oversight. We can't just bail out.

[Edited 2005-12-24 10:04:43]

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
I don't think you'll find anyone disputing this Thorben. And I have said it myself, plenty of times.

Americans say it all the time, I'm just reminding you of your own rules.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
That said: The Iraqi's are going to have to get on it. As they field operational units, we can depart. We wil leave a contingent there - for a decade or so - to provide followon training and oversight. We can't just bail out.

Of course you can not bail out like that. But don't put too much hope in the Iraqi forces. They are all members of some tribe and of some religion, they aren't robots. When some interior conflict brakes out, they'll be loyal to their respective tribal or religious leaders, not to the US or the central government. There is also word of insurgents being in those forces.

Concerning the value of my answers, I'll go now and I won't be back before Tuesday. Gives you time to answer
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And Merry Christmas, ANC!


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Understand Blair has said that all UK troops will start pulling out of Iraq in May 2006


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):
Concerning the value of my answers, I'll go now and I won't be back before Tuesday. Gives you time to answer
patriotism
spies and lies
great improvements
crime and punishment

See you Tuesday, Merry Christmas, don't drink too much eggnog . . .

And WTF would you like me to answer? And WTF is the purpose of the links?


User currently offlineHatTrick From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 3):
Someone will find a way to make this a negative and pin it on Bush.

Someone will find a way to make Bush look like a Saint on this.

Wonderful timing for the '06 midterms


User currently offlineLesMainwaring From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

regardless of the political posturing, and who claims responsibility for the troop draw-down, it is wonderful news ... god bless the men and women from all nations who did the job they were handed, right or wrong ... it is time to for the end to begin

wishing everyone a peaceful 2006

The Lester Mainwaring Party



I want something under my wheels thats plenty long and mighty dry --- Vern Demarest
User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

You can bet the Dems will claim that they forced the Presidents hand somehow. No way they are going to just sit around and hand the President a success. Unfortunately for them, if the news is true, they will have to spend the easter recess coming up with a new campaign strategy.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 6):
You broke it, you fix it

It was broken a long time ago but we will fix it. We've certainly fixed bigger messes in our history wink . I hope they don't rush the redeployment. I'd rather see our troops stay there until the Iraqis really have control of the situation then to leave and then have things melt down behind us. While I agree that tribal factions will play in their politics, so will the differing religions. The key will be if they can recognize and survive outside attempts to influence the situation on their own. That will be the biggest challenge since there are two countries next door that have everything to gain by seeing a democracy in Iraq fail.


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/23/iraq.main/index.html

Two Combat Brigades - approximately 7000 soldiers - will NOT be redeployed to Iraq.

Beginning of Permanent Cuts in US/UK Troops strength in Iraq?

This was news the other day when Blair went over, and before that when the British started talking about pulling out of their sector.

The Iraqi forces are getting to the stage where cuts can be made and duties increasingly turned over to them. What is needed now is a firm commitment to NO longterm plans for bases, and to get out when they ask us to turn over all duties to local forces. Otherwise the whole thing turns to shit and becomes an expensive and enduring fiasco.

Much as some hawks want permanent forces based in Iraq this cannot be allowed to happen. It is important to the future of Iraq and its people that once the job is done those foreign troops depart. Leaving any forces in the country sends the wrong messages out and breaks promises made to the people there.


User currently offlineLesMainwaring From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 13):
No way they are going to just sit around and hand the President a success.

God knows he won't have a success unless someone hands it to him ...



I want something under my wheels thats plenty long and mighty dry --- Vern Demarest
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 14):
The Iraqi forces are getting to the stage where cuts can be made and duties increasingly turned over to them.

Got to balance the withdrawals with the Iraqi's ability to stand on their own. Tough to do. Needs to be measured and not set in stone. Can't leave too soon or they'll get over run; can't wait too long or we're caught babysitting.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 14):
What is needed now is a firm commitment to NO longterm plans for bases,

As much as I'd like to think that will happen, I don't think it will. I suspect we'll maintain at least a few large scale long term installations there. Probably through the end of the decade.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 14):
Leaving any forces in the country sends the wrong messages out and breaks promises made to the people there.

Unless the new Iraqi gov't requests it. And then only a small advisory contingent. Not endless streams of combat units.


User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
Two Combat Brigades - approximately 7000 soldiers - will NOT be redeployed to Iraq.

Good news, but I'm personally still hoping I get sent over next year when I'm done training.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Quoting Lobster (Reply 17):
Good news, but I'm personally still hoping I get sent over next year when I'm done training.

While I congratulate you on your desire to serve, I have to question why your WANT to get sent to a combat zone? Ever been there?

Note to Self: Well, Shit ANCFlyer - no he hasn't - or he wouldn't be itching to go.

Don't glorify it, don't dream of it, don't anticipate it to be a cake walk . . . if you get to go, it will be the experience of a lifetime - and it could quite possibly alter your life in ways that you can't even imagine. Physically and mentally.

For your sake I hope you don't get your wish . . . no offense . . .

If you do, my commendations and I hope your skills as a 91W aren't needed very often by this time next year.


User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

Quoting LesMainwaring (Reply 15):
God knows he won't have a success unless someone hands it to him ...

This is just what I mean. Some people just have to throw in crap like that. The only way they can be happy is by trying to continually tear someone else down.


User currently offlineLesMainwaring From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 19):
This is just what I mean. Some people just have to throw in crap like that. The only way they can be happy is by trying to continually tear someone else down.


Oh, sorry Oh Gilligan God for using my Constitutionally-given right to express my opinion.

The only way people like YOU (note: I am not saying Republicans; I am saying rabid right wingers) can be happy is living in a dictatorship where likeminded fools think the same way ... your way or the highway, huh?

I'm not trying to tear anything down, YOUR president has done a pretty friggin' good job of that.

Well, kiss my red, white and blue ass. I might be so far left that I can see socialism from where I stand, but I'm as big of patriot as you, buddy-boy. YOU and your zombie-minded kind don't own this country.

i support all our liberties -- right to bear arms, right of religious freedom, right of free speech and more --- what's wrong with that? my comment didn't attack you, it stated my opinion of King George the Idiot.

now, have a nice day in the land of the free and the home of the brave

...
The Lester Mainwaring Party
...

[Edited 2005-12-26 23:17:30]


I want something under my wheels thats plenty long and mighty dry --- Vern Demarest
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
See you Tuesday, Merry Christmas, don't drink too much eggnog . . .

And WTF would you like me to answer? And WTF is the purpose of the links?

Links to other threads where the last reply was from me and it was longer than one line.


User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Quoting LesMainwaring (Reply 20):
Oh, sorry Oh Gilligan God for using my Constitutionally-given right to express my opinion.

Would you kindly point out just exactly where I said you didn't have the right to post that message? Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean that I didn't think you had to the right to post it. If you don't agree with the current adminstrations policies, you had a chance to rid yourself of them just over a year ago. Obviously you were in the minority since he is still President. If you want to continue to disagree go ahead. But tossing crap out like that is just as bad as people on the right that continually want to bring back the things that Clinton did. I stand by my statement. Since you, without hesitation, decided to tell me to basically shut up who among us really doesn't believe in the first amendment?


User currently offlineLesMainwaring From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 22):
Since you, without hesitation, decided to tell me to basically shut up who among us really doesn't believe in the first amendment?


i didn't basically tell you to shut up

i basically told you i thought you were lacking some gray matter

but don't worry, because i support the rights of all persons, regardless of their abilities

d'oh

[Edited 2005-12-29 23:43:47]


I want something under my wheels thats plenty long and mighty dry --- Vern Demarest
User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting LesMainwaring (Reply 23):
but don't worry, because i support the rights of all persons, regardless of their abilities

That's a good thing and since I support minority rights I'll be happy to help you where I can.


25 TERRA : Now that the Iraqis are getting organized (?) it is time for them to step up to the mark. If they can get their armed services and police force functi
26 Cedarjet : All of this I find very strange. The Americans went in and killed 100,000 Iraqis, and completely destroyed the infrastructure, and now it's down to t
27 Gilligan : Proof please. Who rebuilt Germany and Japan? The Phillipines? South Korea? While the U.S. provided funds it certainly wasn't U.S. citizens over there
28 Greasespot : I will make this prediction..... BY the time the next presidential election there will be nothing more than a token American force in Iraq...Whether t
29 Gilligan : Agree 100% I think they will be, my hope is that they will be anyway. So true, but not just of the middle east. I wish I could understand what makes
30 Cedarjet : The British medical journal The Lancet did a deep investigation, and this was the number they came up with. Needless to add, the Lancet is not pro- o
31 Gilligan : I will have to look at how they arrived at their numbers before I have any comment. I find it hard to believe on the face though as I would have assu
32 UH60FtRucker : Well we're deploying for 13 months, so America won't be cutting and running in the near future. But hey, I'm eager to go. There is only so much traini
33 Cedarjet : Certainly in the UK, it was on the front pages of most of the national papers. In the US it was probably pushed back by a waterskiing poodle or somet
34 Cedarjet : ...except Fox News who probably showed the British medical establishment to be all "anti-American" commies and proves the dangers of socialised medic
35 Thorben : Aha. What would you call it then when the "war against terror" has killed more people then the original terror itself? What is the use of the whole t
36 Gilligan : Considering most British papers will print just about anything based on the smallest shreds or flimsiest pieces of evidence, I will ignore your state
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