Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46 Posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1285 times:
As I'm sure you are all aware, last weeks tragedies have been browbeaten to death on this Forum. Every possible angle and point of view has been examined. I've interjected my $.02 here and there, but for the most part, stayed out of the discussions.
But that is neither here nor there nor is that the point of this post.
What I'd like to discuss here is symbolism and conformity and calling things for what they are.
I don't know about your town, but here in LA, it seems that out of nowhere, every other car and business is sporting an American flag. We are patting each other on the back and congratulating ourselves for our "unity", "solidarity", "patriotism", and so on.
I am a patriot myself. I don't feel the need to put on a show so that everyone else can see what a patriot I am. Being a patriot is something in the heart and soul. Not in the flag you buy for 99 cents or wearing the Old Glory tee-shirt you bought from the kid on the corner. I will not lower myself to the lemminglike conformity that I see that has been a knee jerk reaction to a situation that too many people don't understand. Now I don't mean to be a malcontent, but let's be honest folks.
How much patriotism is "REALLY" out there?
How many people fully understand the ramifications of what's at stake and what has happened? Most people I've talked to have the reaction of "wow man"...or "whoa...that's like bad what happened".
My guess is that their comprehension of this is dim at best. You don't have a group of people hijack 4 of OUR commercial airliners, fly them into two landmark skyscrapers, and respind to it by saying "wow man...I think I'll put a flag on my car."
This is serious stuff here.
How many people are flying their flags because they are proud, and how many people are flying them because it's the "in" thing to do at the moment?
I've read stories in the newspaper about how someones flag would fly off the car on the freeway and another person behind them would stop, pick it up, and flag down the other driver and hand it back to them.
This would NEVER have happened anytime before the disaster. Why are we pretending to be so polite now? Does anyone besides myself not believe that a month or two from now, it will be back to "business as usual" which means road rage, and everyone not giving a damn about everyone else. Slowly, but surely, these flags will start to disappear.
Anyway, I'm not really sure where I was going with this. If you want to fly your flag, great....fly it.
But do me, yourself, and our flag a favor......don't fly it simply because it's the 'cool' thing to do at the moment.
Fly it because you ARE proud...because you REALLY do feel the pain of all those people...because the sight of a flag at half mast DOES bring tears to your eyes.
And if you're inclined to be polite and patriotic, don't stop when the flags come down.
Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3222 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1240 times:
I am British but am I flying the Stars and Stripes purely and simply out of solidarity with the American people and for what they have been through and are about to go through. I don't plan on taking it down anytime soon.....
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1215 times:
Don't let your disdain for fluff let you ignore one simple fact...
We are 280 million very different people. There's no cosmic law that says we're all supposed to get along, or drive the speed limit or refrain from looting our local supermarket.
As a culture we have been shocked completely out of balance. Our routines, our familiarities, and most precariously our sense of security have been badly shaken. We NEED some sign that the stranger next to us is feeling the same way we do, that he's not running for the hills or plotting mass rioting. Because if he doesn't, maybe we don't need to either. That is how security is built.
Washington. Jefferson. Lincoln. And our contemporaries, FDR, JFK...Martin Luther King.....these were men who lived in terribly treacherous times, and their leadership helped shape this country. They used as their tools that which we all have in common, not our differences. But they're gone, we're here. If a cheap flag hastily taped to a pickup radio antenna will in any way help seal our common goals, then no amount of healthy cynicism should stand in its' way.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40121 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1199 times:
I agree with Matt D and Heaveymetal on this.
I remember this sort of fake symbolism the last time we were stuck with a Bush in the White House. Remember Operation Desert Storm? Almost everyone had a flag on the back of there cars. What I don't understand is how someone can wave a US flag from a Honda made in Japan or a BMW made in Germany .
I show my patriotism by buying US made products when possible.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1170 times:
I think you folks are being a bit cynical and even silly. Do you think wearing read, white and blue clothing and hanging patriotic decorations on the Fourth of July or Memorial Day is hypocritical? I don't, because it is a time to celebrate your ever-present patriotism. So IMHO, the tradegy didn't suddenly make people patriotic, it just compelled them to celebrate the fact. I defend this despite the fact that I fly a flag on my house every day of the year. As a matter of fact, I was trying to purchase a new flag, because mine is wearing out (plus I don't want the Nylon-type anymore). Due to the tragedy, I couldn't find one on the shelf. This didn't make me upset, this made my very happy. Keep celebrating your patriotism. MattD and others may not like it, but the boys and girls in the battlefield will LOVE it!!!!!!!
SophieMaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1158 times:
I agree. It's like having a flag on your car has become the "in" thing. One of my friends told me everyone in her subdivision has a flag on their door except for her because she couldn't find one in the stores. It was like the most tragic thing to her so she printed one on the computer. God forbid somebody would think she didn't support our country! I don't mean to knock my friend because she means well. I also don't mean to sound unsupportive. I almost started crying when I saw the flag at half mast in front of the post office today. What has gone on and is going on is very tragic. However, I don't feel the need to prove that I support my country by having an American flag flapping in the wind as my car drives on the interstate everyday.