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User currently offlineAirworldA320 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Hey Guys and Girls got my first (NOTICE OF INTENDED PROSECUTION) from West Yorkshire Police today.

As reads:

In accordance with section 1 Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 (as amended by section 22) and schedule 1 Road Traffic Act 1991, I give you notice that it is intended to take proceedings against the DRIVER of the vehicle below for the alleged offence of Excess Speed (30MPH)

at: 13:44 hrs on: 22/12/2005

at location: A645 PONTEFRACT ROAD, STATION LANE TO HOUNDHILL LANE FEATHERSTONE

in motor vehicle: LY** ***(for my privacy!!!)

with a recorded speed of: 34 MPH

contrary to Section: RTA 1984 81(1) & 89(1) & 1988 schedule 2

THIS ALLEGATION IS SUPPORTED BY PHOTOGRAPHIC AND/OR VIDEO EVIDENCE..........etc, etc.

I know it was excess speed (which I don't condone) but come on 34mph in a 30mph zone (not as though I was doing 50-60 or more as some boy racers quite often do in that area), I was caught by a mobile speed camera van which was hidden on the top of a hill and behind a signpost, 4 mph is the width of the needle on my speedometer!, after an increase in West Yorkshire of car crime, theft from motor vehicles, etc should not the police be targeting other areas instead of ruthlessly pursuing motorists who go slightly over the speed limit (proberbly sour grapes I know), so to the Police Christmas Party Fund for 2006 here is my £60 contribution! (oh and not to forget my 3 points on my driving licence, only another 9 to go)


Pull off kid, it ill go.
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User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Don't they give you the option of attended some stupid road safety course for a day instead of having 3 points put on your licence? My mum got done for exactly the same thing as you and she had the choice of doing that.


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User currently offlineAirworldA320 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

Quoting Demoose (Reply 1):
Don't they give you the option of attended some stupid road safety course for a day instead of having 3 points put on your licence? My mum got done for exactly the same thing as you and she had the choice of doing that.

Not here in West Yorkshire!!!! Wish I had the option though
 Smile



Pull off kid, it ill go.
User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

shudda reported the car stolen!

User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Stupid speed cameras.
All it is is a money making ploy.
Make them provide the photo evidence, and then look it over. At 34 MPH I am sure you can argue the calibration or that they got another car going that fast. In the US most of the politicians are taking serious heat for allowing them . They take away due process, and violate the spirit of the speed laws.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Quoting Demoose (Reply 1):
Don't they give you the option of attended some stupid road safety course for a day instead of having 3 points put on your licence? My mum got done for exactly the same thing as you and she had the choice of doing that.

Well, to be honest, if the road safety course is regarded as "stupid", then you may as well impose the fine and the points.

The whole point of the alternative was to try to discourage people from speeding in the future. If it doesn't, then it's failed.

And herein lies the question. Will the fine and the points stop you from doing it again? Is it more or less effective than, say, being pulled over by the police and being given a serious bollocking?

One of the most successful schemes recently introduced are the roadside cameras that flash up a "Slow Down" message or display your speed. They work, and they work well.

One thing the police have been concerned about is that speeding offences are the only times that otherwise law-abiding people are likely to come in contact with them. The issue of a large section of the population feeling, rightly or wrongly, victimised is damaging to relations, particularly in a country where policing by consent forms such a critical element.

I can't say I condone even going at 34mph in a built-up area. but I do feel that whacking someone with a £60 fine and 3 points surely can't be the best method of slowing you down in future.

Or will it? See, the point is how will it affect your future behaviour? Will you from now on stick to the speed limit in a 30 zone?



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

I thought most cameras triggered at 35mph - 10% of the actual limit, plus 2mph. Perhaps the 'Safety' (bollocks) partership have different trip speeds. In my experience they are always hidden at the bottom of hills or on long, straight roads where the temptation is greater.

Your speedo can legally over read by 10%, so I wouldn't worry if you creep over 30 occasionally.



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User currently offlineLijnden From Netherlands, joined Apr 2003, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2741 times:
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It is arranged in many constitutions around the world: All criminals are punished once for a crime! Traffic criminals are punished multiple times; money, points, higher insurance rates, possible jail-time, etc.. No, it is just a milkcow controlled by technology. And you think you live in a democracy? More like a police state! I can't wait to have some car-friendly political party run the EU. Many years of 'green' parties and other saloon socialists have obvious not brought anything good for car owners.


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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 6):
thought most cameras triggered at 35mph - 10% of the actual limit, plus 2mph

i thought it was just 10% not plus 2mph?!?!
half of em dont work any way!


User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting AirworldA320 (Thread starter):
with a recorded speed of: 34 MPH

Thats harsh, im pretty sure, they allow 10% over the limit i.e 33mph doing you for 1mph does seem pretty cruel to me.....hope you get the option to take the alternate 1 day course

Glenn



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User currently offlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Get in touch with a solicitor and ask him to request the calibration certificate.

All equipment such as radar guns must have been calibrated in the 12 hours preceding you being caught, and the officer operating it must have been on an approved course of instruction on it's use in order for the evidence to be admissable.

If it wasn't calibrated they can't prosecute you for it.

One of the little known facts I've picked up after dodging the law for many years ......  Smile



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User currently offlineAirworldA320 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 5):
And herein lies the question. Will the fine and the points stop you from doing it again? Is it more or less effective than, say, being pulled over by the police and being given a serious bollocking?

Oh and it has done, I keep looking at my speedo every couple of seconds or so!!!!!!!!



Pull off kid, it ill go.
User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 5):
One of the most successful schemes recently introduced are the roadside cameras that flash up a "Slow Down" message or display your speed. They work, and they work well.

You mean like this:




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User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Quoting Demoose (Reply 1):
Don't they give you the option of attended some stupid road safety course for a day instead of having 3 points put on your licence?

I've been on that course here. I was caught doing 34mph in a 30mph zone. I decided to do the course rather than get the points. It costs about £90 for the day but you do get a buffet lunch with chips!
 Big grin

We went to some function room at some golf club somewhere. It was actually very good. It's all about anticipating the road ahead. We all had a good laugh on the day. Big grin


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Quoting AirworldA320 (Thread starter):
Hey Guys and Girls got my first (NOTICE OF INTENDED PROSECUTION) from West Yorkshire Police today.

I got one a few weeks back, 38 in a 30 zone.

Arse to it.


User currently offlineAirworldA320 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Only one thing now fella's, is that I am finding myself concentrating more on the speedometer rather than the road, surely that cannot be a good thing.


Pull off kid, it ill go.
User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

Quoting AirworldA320 (Reply 15):
I am finding myself concentrating more on the speedometer rather than the road

Then you are not a good driver.  Wink


User currently offlineAirworldA320 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 16):
Quoting AirworldA320 (Reply 15):
I am finding myself concentrating more on the speedometer rather than the road

Then you are not a good driver.

Never have been anyway 9VSPO Big grin



Pull off kid, it ill go.
User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

Good driving is all about anticipating the road ahead. This is why there are so many accidents because people don't anticipate the road. They are too busy on mobile phones and picking their noses. On the driving course they teach you to look at what's going on on the road way out in front so that you have time to react.

User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 9):
Thats harsh, im pretty sure, they allow 10% over the limit i.e 33mph doing you for 1mph does seem pretty cruel to me.....hope you get the option to take the alternate 1 day course

A friend of mine is a traffic cop (I have told him once or twice what I think of his lot!) and he tells me depending on the Officer, they will allow up to 10% + 3 or 4 mph.

EG - in a 30 zone, you could feasibly get away with 37 mph, 48 in a 40, 59 in a 50 etc. Apparently too, if you stick below 80 on most M-ways, you'd be pretty unlucky to get a ticket.


User currently offlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting Cxsjr (Reply 19):
Apparently too, if you stick below 80 on most M-ways, you'd be pretty unlucky to get a ticket.

From what I've been told from the traffic police that I teach the advanced handling course too, in the UK it is official policy not to prosecute anyone travelling below 85 Mph on a motorway providing that rest of the traffic is moving at a similar speed.

Dunno if that was just a bit of briefing room bollocks though .....  Smile



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User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

That is stupid, only 4 mph over. Two ways to go. First I would try and see if there is a driver improvement class or something that will keep it off your record.
Or, try and fight it and say your speedo was slightly off.

That cop must have needed his quota to pull you over for 4mph.

And I thought Cops in Texas were anal....sheeeeez


User currently offlinePropulsion From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

You have to remember it is all about MAKING MONEY. Cameras, congestion charging, road tolls, private motorways etc are all designed to create revenue, not better or help the needs of people in a given locality.

I am very much in favour of the signs that show your speed and then a happy or sad face according to whether you are going too fast or not. These work and make people think without making them angry or feeling as though they have been deliberately victimised.

Proof of the desire for MONEY NOT SAFETY is that when London Boroughs want to install these devices, Transport For London overules using their right to 'TRN routes' (i.e. important roads) and block such action. They then rapidly install spped camers at the very points where local councils wanted the speed display devices!!! This has occurred repeatedly, the most reported instance being that of The London Borough of Bromley Vs. TfL. Guess who won?



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 21):
That cop must have needed his quota to pull you over for 4mph.

First - you didn't read the thread opener or your comprehension skills suck as it plainly states . . . .

Quoting AirworldA320 (Thread starter):
I was caught by a mobile speed camera van which was hidden on the top of a hill and behind a signpost,

That said: Quota my ass.  redflag 

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 21):
Or, try and fight it and say your speedo was slightly off.

Irrelevent and expensive. The ticket's gonna cost 60pounds. Retaining an attorney and then trying to prove your speedometer is off, or the camera isn't calibrated, blah blah blah, is going to cost much more than that.

Likely, none of the above would be true - your speedo is probably accurate as is the camera. Now, you're out the attorney fees, court costs, testing fees for your speedo and the camera, and still have the 60pound fine and 3 points.

Pay it and be on your way . . .

Looking into the class might be worth it if your driving records sucks so badly the three points will hurt - or if it will drive up your insurance rates.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2586 times:

Sixty quid for being 4 mph over the limit? We just had ours raised to around a hundred bucks....that can buy a lotta pizza.

25 RODOL : Sorry to hear about that Daz, they should be out catching REAL criminals, not persecuting the likes of you. This is so true - how can it be safe to ha
26 Mhodgson : Yep - also proved by the fact that a motorist has been prosecuted for alerting other motorists to the location of a mobile camera, when surely he is
27 777236ER : 37215 people were killed or seriously injured on Britain's roads in 2003. The four every single hour of every single day.
28 Cosec59 : It's about time people learned to cross the road properly then
29 Post contains images RobK : Brilliant! RK
30 Post contains images Arsenal@LHR : In addition to that it's also about time people stick to the legal limits and stop making excuses for speeding. If the law says you do 30 mph, then y
31 Post contains images Kaddyuk : Here Here...! Its a well known fact, if you cant do the time, dont do the crime...! You broke the law, now you must pay the piper...! As much as peop
32 Matt72033 : i wonder how that compares to people killed through smoking?
33 777236ER : Does it matter? The fact is that thousands of people die on Britain's road because people speed.
34 Matt72033 : so are these speeders as bad as smokers in your mind? smoking kills 114,000 every year in the uk! so whose more of a burden to the NHS? smokers, or pe
35 Cosec59 : What are you? A copper?
36 777236ER : Well, let's assume that only 10% (!) of all road traffic deaths and injuries in the UK are caused by excessive speed. Is 3700 people few enough to ju
37 Post contains images Jamie757 : Make sure that you obtain the photographic evidence and frame it, then you can be truly proud of your achievement. Rgds.
38 Matt72033 : ive not killed anyone speeding yet so im not gonna stop!
39 777236ER : What nonsense. That's like saying 'smoking hasn't killed me yet, so is harmless.' You help to maintain aircraft? Jesus.
40 Matt72033 : i really dont see how my comment has anything to do with my ability to maintain aircraft! please enlighten me!
41 Cosec59 : Matt, Leave him in his own sad little world
42 777236ER : Sorry, what? Do you really agree with someone saying, ?
43 Matt72033 : i think your right Phil! lol he doesnt speed, he doesnt smoke! does he drink? i bet not! and he called you boring for being in management?!?!
44 777236ER : He uses capital letters and understands basic grammar, too. soz woz that too difficult to understand lol!!! i rely like driving fast vrrrrrroooom an
45 Matt72033 : a little better i spose!
46 Cosec59 : Don't forget the 6 cans of Tenants Super
47 Post contains images Arsenal@LHR : I wish i was so i could nick people like you breaking the law and then seeing you whine about it. But i'm not a copper, i'm a law-abiding motorist wh
48 777236ER : Tenants Super? Too classy. Special Brew all the way.
49 Matt72033 : i wont have a bad word said about special brew!.....many an evening spent on the park bench with a can od special brew![Edited 2006-01-01 20:40:51]
50 57AZ : Having driven commercially and having worked for the railroad, I am quite used to visually estimating my speed. Usually I am within two to three miles
51 Post contains images Jamie757 : Rgds.
52 BigOrange : I would definitely challenge it. I thought all speed cameras now had to be highly visible?? I would challenge it on 3 counts. 1) The above. 2) Calibr
53 KaiGywer : Like ANC said, there was no cop present, it was a speed camera. Second of all, cops have no quotas, regardless of what you might think in your little
54 RAMPRAT980 : I for one do not understand why you have such a system in place. While I agree that it is mainly to catch those who speed at an excessive rate now any
55 Post contains images Nordair : So, if it catches people on welfare speeding, then it sort of pays for itself, right?
56 Matt72033 : awww dear, if only you knew me! you couldnt be any further from the truth!
57 Post contains images Jamie757 : I'm sure that you're a lovely person, but your attitude towards the safety of other people on the roads is real shitty. I just hope you don't drive o
58 RODOL : If you had read the thread opener properly you'd have noticed Daz state; I presume the van was manned??? These are the THEY to which I pertain.
59 Matt72033 : oh come on, can you put your hand on your heart and say you never speed? in actual fact, its safer to have an aggresive driving style than not!
60 Jamie757 : Anything to back this up? Rgds.
61 Post contains images 9VSPO : I don't think Jeremy Clarkeson's had an accident yet!
62 Matt72033 : i havent had any crashes! its the silly old women in their rover metro's that cause accidents! only yesterday i was following one! driving normally d
63 Ryangooner : here in England cops do have quotas Ryan
64 RAMPRAT980 : Nordair, interesting thought but i've been told by a friend of mine that many people on "the dole" in the UK don't drive.[Edited 2006-01-02 19:58:37]
65 Matt72033 : they do, just without a licence, MOT, insurance Tax or anything else required to drive legally! they then normally congregate on the road down by bri
66 AirworldA320 : Bloody hell!!!!, I did n't think there was that much interest!!!!, but to let everyone know I have paid the fine and now got three points on my drivin
67 Mhodgson : They are as useless as the Gatsos - these 'safety camera partnerships' are not actually manned by police. They are simply there to monitor the camera
68 Ryangooner : Not the case and in my experience ive found its quite the opposite, no chav that i have ever come across has been without licence, insurance and M.O.
69 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : How about this agressive driving style? Is this safer? http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/7330139p-7242262c.html Here. I copied the "agressive" per
70 Amy : That's harsh. The usual guidelines are 10% +4 i think making the usual start to prosecution in a 30mph limit at 37mph. That's illegal. It is law that
71 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Go read Reply 69 . . . . then think about that for a minute. I don't know what YOU do for a living, but I know I've seen plenty of deaths attributabl
72 Ryangooner : If nothing is caused by excessive speed why do we have speed limits? Ryan
73 Post contains images Pilot kaz : 1st gear: RUUUUUUUUUUUM rum rum rum rum RUUUUUUUUUUM 2nd gear: RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM rum rum RUUUUUMMMM 3rd gear: RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
74 Post contains images Gordonsmall : One word: Cobra!
75 Jwenting : Income generation for the government. Excessive speed can be far below the legal limit or far beyond it depending on road conditions, condition of th
76 Mhodgson : To give the police something to do... *hides*
77 Matt72033 : cos we live in a world were a bunch of tossers want to put rules and regulations on absolutely everything we do! even worse are the people who want t
78 Post contains links and images Jamie757 : So is exceeding the speed limit. 100% agree with you ANC. Does that count? Rgds.[Edited 2006-01-03 18:52:57]
79 777236ER : Motoways are usually three-lane, dualed roads which have wide lanes, no corners with large curvatures, crash barriers, matrix signs, hard shoulders,
80 Cosec59 : On that I think it should be zero tolerance! Absolutely NOT. 777236ER, please don't forget everyone has a right to express their opinions. Even if th
81 Matt72033 : NO....i never drink and drive! that IS irresponsible! yes....i'm sure looking from your sad pathetic life, of nothing fun that i am pathetic!
82 AirworldA320 : Yes RODOL the van was manned and he got the finger forks too, good mind to ask for the photo and see if that is on it!!!!!
83 RODOL : I think we are losing sight of the point of this thread, the pettiness of fining someone for 34 mph. I just think that priorities are completely wrong
84 Post contains images BigOrange : Ever driven round the M25? Are we talking about 777236ER here by any chance?? To pay for the weekly piss-ups at the council meetings If you are one o
85 Post contains images Matt72033 : yup.....everyday, and half of them dont work! well if they do work i think they really should be triggered by me doing 110mph through them! possibly!
86 Post contains images Aer Lingus : My cousin in Scotland was caught doing 80MPH on a 60MPH road and driving on insured car without his name on the insurance. Now he told that he has 1 s
87 Mhodgson : It depends. I think it is generally a year, though you go to court I think, so hey can impose a much longer ban depending on what you have done to de
88 Ryangooner : Under the "Totting up" procedure where you accumulate 12 points the court would probably only ban you for a minimum of 28 days, they can impose more
89 AirbusA346 : They are surposed to be getting rid of the speed cameras, because they have found out they don't work properly. And I read in the newspaper a few week
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