Airbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 867 times:
We have given Afghanistan ample time to prepare for a strike of some sort. I know that this takes a lot fo logistics to plan. But, why hasn't Bush taken any type of military offensive action yet? Attack them now!
Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 853 times:
I pray to God there isnt any action, I pray God intervenes we have forgotten its HIS world and were HIS creation not of our own making, its easy for you to sit there miles away across the ocean, ever occurr what people are going through here, the anxiety, the uncertainity, the fear
Juul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 830 times:
With all due respect to you trigger-happy cowboys, but what exactly would you be attacking?
-Would you just bomb a few big cities, and kill thousands of innocent Afghans, just because someone (no proof whatsoever it was the Afghans) killed thousands of your innocent people (may they rest in peace)? That's revenge, not justice. And I thought the US considered themselves too civilized for blunt revenge.
-Would you be sending in ground troops to find Bin Laden? Let me tell you what'll happen then: they'll kill thousands of people, and many Americans will be killed as well. And guess what: they WON'T find Bin Laden. Why? Because accoring to various independent sources he's no longer in Afghanistan!
-Or would you just attack them to satisfy the media and public opinion, who want to see blood, and who want to see it asap?
Juul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 821 times:
"Then what do you suggest we do? "
Simple: think before you act. Don't just rush in untill you know exactly what you're there for. And right now you don't. Only fools rush in...
You should indeed not sit around and say 'oh well', but find the people who did this, and bring them to justice. And right now, it is not known who did this, all you have is a suspect. To bring someone, or even an organisation, to justice, you don't need to bomb a complete country into oblivion!
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 821 times:
What do you think we're doing? If we acted purely on impulse, which seems to be the veiled message here, the bombs would've already been dropped. It would be a done deal.
But that hasn't happened. That's why I give Bush and his staff so much credit because they ARE thinking and weighing their options before they make a preemptive strike. Just because the military is being called up is not necessarily tantamount to imminent war.
a lot can and still will happen before the first counterstrike guns are fired or the first bombers dispatched.
Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 818 times:
Juul, I fully understand and agree with your point - however we as the general public do not know what the CIA and British Intelligence forces (amongst others) know about this. You can be sure they know a hell of a lot more about who did this than we do.
Also, the Taleban isn't exactly helping itself by not releasing Bin Laden (plus I honestly think the world needs to get rid of the Taleban whether or not Bin Laden is responsible.
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 807 times:
I agree with Juul that our response must be utterly thought through and calculated. To throw 100,000 American troops into Afghanistan or see what kind of craters we can make with our biggest bombs would be idiotic.
I'll make, Juul, an uneasy prediction that when we finally DO come up with that calculated response, it will STILL be too violent, or too low brow or too vengeful for modern European tastes (and even for the 'doves' in this country, as grevious an injury as we have suffered).
As shocking and revolting as the images of 9/11 were, I worry that they will be forgotten in the name of 'over-engineered reason' by rationalists who have yet to realize how different the world became on that day.
Someone should be duping millions of videocassettes of burning bodies falling a hundred stories to remind the inevitable fence sitters just exactly why we're doing what we're doing.
SQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 790 times:
I wonder how the Afghans will prepare for a strike. The equipment of the forces is a relict of the war in 1979.
It doesn't matter when the US strike will begin.
The Taliban fighters are willing to die for the Islam no matter if today or next month.
It is right by the US to plan every little step before starting a strike against terror.
There are so many radical muslims all over the world, it is more dangerous to start a immediate strike instead of wait and investigate first.
The strike will come but at least AFTER all diplomatic issues.
You have to imagine how the reaction by the radical Islams will be after a strike, there could be so many suicide attacks all over the world. So the western world must be prepared to every kind of aggressions commited by the radical muslims.
There is one big advantage with the muslims, they are not afraid of the death. I see some very hard times come to all of us, and mr Bush sees this too. That is the reason why he uses so much patience.
TT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 793 times:
Let's harken back to the Gulf War.
When Saddam was stupid enough to roll into Kuwait, he probably knew in the back of his mind that he was playing a big game of chicken. What stopped him from rolling into Saudi...I don't know, but he could easily have done so with little resistance.
So, America....the world's apologist... had to roll in. To help the Saudis do what they asked us to do: protect them.
Desert Shield was a long and carefully staged build up. We wanted the Iraqis to know we were on their border and that of Kuwait. We rattled our sword...they rattled rhetoric back. The Iraqis didn't know what to expect. They were complacent in the fact that they had a very powerful armored force. They had an "elite" republican guard. They spent several months digging in and fortifying bunkers. Saddam rallied his citizens. We drew a line in the sand and came up with a date. Saddam shrugged it off and rallied his citizens. After all, they had lived through years of a brutal, World War I style war in the trenches with Iran and made it through.
On the night Desert Storm began, the USA and its allies unleashed a hailstorm of armament from the air--the likes of which Saddam never could imagine.
30 days and nights of all out boming. It became psychological operations. The Iraqis were scared shitless of our airpower. As they sat, safe in their bunkers...they wondered if and when the next 400lb bomb may just penetrate their wall. They lived in their own piss and shit...among rats and centipedes. Some days, American airpower would instead drop leaflets and let the Iraqis know just what is coming next. One day, leaflets were dropped on a bunker unit near the border. The leaflets said that a very large weapon would be dropped the next day and that they should leave. The next day, instead of F-16s, A6s, or A-10s, a C-130 appeared low in the skies. It did a lazy, wide circle over the bunker compound. Some Iraqis came out to watch as the rear ramp of the aircraft came down. Their last moments must have been utter surprise as the pallet containing a daisy cutter blew their world to shit. Every time after that, our leaflets were honored.
When our ground forces rolled in, it was all over but the crying.
Here's the deal. Desert Storm/Desert Shield was long and carefully thought out...just the way this next one will be. We'll attack when we're good and ready. The results will be beyond devastating. Expect some pretty heady psychological ops to take place.
Taking this a step forward...I think it would be great if Bin Laden holed up in a cave in the mountains. We'll bomb it every day while he lives in his own piss and shit like the Iraqis did in their pathetic bunkers. We'll drop leaflets on his compadres and follow through with the threat. A crater will replace his training camp of jungle jims and monkey bars.
They have no idea what they are going to deal with.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 777 times:
Juul, I wouldn't worry. It appears the government/military doesn't care about public opinion. They will do what needs to be done the right way and not the popular way. It would've been real easy for Bush to call an airstrike for the sake of polls and public opinion. The fact that he didn't tells me he is doing the right thing.
Stretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 774 times:
Juul, I agree with Jetservice and TT737FO, not Stonewall. Do you teach American history at your highschool? By the way, where does Belgium stand in all of this? Willing to let Americans die to protect you way of life, eh?
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