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Why Are We Waiting Around?  
User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 851 times:

We have given Afghanistan ample time to prepare for a strike of some sort. I know that this takes a lot fo logistics to plan. But, why hasn't Bush taken any type of military offensive action yet? Attack them now!

Airbus380

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29786 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 841 times:

Relax......

There are "playing poker" right now. With any luck we can bluff and there will not be any military action.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 837 times:

I pray to God there isnt any action, I pray God intervenes we have forgotten its HIS world and were HIS creation not of our own making, its easy for you to sit there miles away across the ocean, ever occurr what people are going through here, the anxiety, the uncertainity, the fear Angry


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 836 times:

I agree with L-188. It's like a huge game of poker, or chicken. We're hoping that we don't have to go to war. But we are getting ready should we have to.

I commend President Bush for being judicious and patient with this, and not rushing into anything until he has "all his ducks in a row".

This guy is a lot smarter than many of you will ever give him credit for.


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 829 times:

Plus, the Air Force needs time to transport ordinance to the forward bases.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 824 times:

Airmale, was your country attacked? I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. This is taking place in my country. Do you not think the American people have "anxiety, uncertainty, and fear?"

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 820 times:

Airmale, where was God on the morning of September 11th 2001?

User currently offlineJuul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 814 times:

With all due respect to you trigger-happy cowboys, but what exactly would you be attacking?
-Would you just bomb a few big cities, and kill thousands of innocent Afghans, just because someone (no proof whatsoever it was the Afghans) killed thousands of your innocent people (may they rest in peace)? That's revenge, not justice. And I thought the US considered themselves too civilized for blunt revenge.
-Would you be sending in ground troops to find Bin Laden? Let me tell you what'll happen then: they'll kill thousands of people, and many Americans will be killed as well. And guess what: they WON'T find Bin Laden. Why? Because accoring to various independent sources he's no longer in Afghanistan!
-Or would you just attack them to satisfy the media and public opinion, who want to see blood, and who want to see it asap?

In any case, justice will not be done.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 811 times:

Then what do you suggest we do?

Just write those planes, those buildings, and those people off and say "oh well". Looks like they got us".

...and send over some Diplomats who will accomplish nothing but soak up taxpayer dollars, right?


User currently offlineJuul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 805 times:

"Then what do you suggest we do? "

Simple: think before you act. Don't just rush in untill you know exactly what you're there for. And right now you don't. Only fools rush in...

You should indeed not sit around and say 'oh well', but find the people who did this, and bring them to justice. And right now, it is not known who did this, all you have is a suspect. To bring someone, or even an organisation, to justice, you don't need to bomb a complete country into oblivion!


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 805 times:

What do you think we're doing? If we acted purely on impulse, which seems to be the veiled message here, the bombs would've already been dropped. It would be a done deal.

But that hasn't happened. That's why I give Bush and his staff so much credit because they ARE thinking and weighing their options before they make a preemptive strike. Just because the military is being called up is not necessarily tantamount to imminent war.

a lot can and still will happen before the first counterstrike guns are fired or the first bombers dispatched.


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 802 times:

Juul, I fully understand and agree with your point - however we as the general public do not know what the CIA and British Intelligence forces (amongst others) know about this. You can be sure they know a hell of a lot more about who did this than we do.

Also, the Taleban isn't exactly helping itself by not releasing Bin Laden (plus I honestly think the world needs to get rid of the Taleban whether or not Bin Laden is responsible.



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineJuul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 799 times:

I was mainly referring to the main question that started this thread: Why are we waiting around? That clearly seems to indicate some people do want to rush in and see some blood, any blood.

It seems the US is currently indeed thinking before acting, and that's good. I can can only hope they won't give in to pressure from the public opinion, who want to see something attacked soon.


User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 799 times:

As Stonewall Jackson replied to General Lee when asked about combat strategy against the Union army:

"Kill them. Kill them all."



Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineJuul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 796 times:

Thank you for your intelligent and well thought-out response, Stretch 8.

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 791 times:

I agree with Juul that our response must be utterly thought through and calculated. To throw 100,000 American troops into Afghanistan or see what kind of craters we can make with our biggest bombs would be idiotic.

BUT...

I'll make, Juul, an uneasy prediction that when we finally DO come up with that calculated response, it will STILL be too violent, or too low brow or too vengeful for modern European tastes (and even for the 'doves' in this country, as grevious an injury as we have suffered).

As shocking and revolting as the images of 9/11 were, I worry that they will be forgotten in the name of 'over-engineered reason' by rationalists who have yet to realize how different the world became on that day.

Someone should be duping millions of videocassettes of burning bodies falling a hundred stories to remind the inevitable fence sitters just exactly why we're doing what we're doing.


User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 788 times:

The US has lost any element of surprise. The Afghani's have had too much time to prepare for a strike. If a strike was to be successful, I think that it needed to take place earlier in this conflict.

User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 782 times:

Juul, that was Jackson's statement to Lee, not mine to Bush.


Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 778 times:

I agree with Heavymetal's last point. I worry about the same thing.




"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1449 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 774 times:

I wonder how the Afghans will prepare for a strike. The equipment of the forces is a relict of the war in 1979.
It doesn't matter when the US strike will begin.
The Taliban fighters are willing to die for the Islam no matter if today or next month.
It is right by the US to plan every little step before starting a strike against terror.
There are so many radical muslims all over the world, it is more dangerous to start a immediate strike instead of wait and investigate first.
The strike will come but at least AFTER all diplomatic issues.

You have to imagine how the reaction by the radical Islams will be after a strike, there could be so many suicide attacks all over the world. So the western world must be prepared to every kind of aggressions commited by the radical muslims.

There is one big advantage with the muslims, they are not afraid of the death. I see some very hard times come to all of us, and mr Bush sees this too. That is the reason why he uses so much patience.


User currently offlineJuul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 771 times:

Stretch 8,

That might very well be so, but you obviously agree with it, hence my response remains the same.


User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 777 times:

Let's harken back to the Gulf War.

When Saddam was stupid enough to roll into Kuwait, he probably knew in the back of his mind that he was playing a big game of chicken. What stopped him from rolling into Saudi...I don't know, but he could easily have done so with little resistance.

So, America....the world's apologist... had to roll in. To help the Saudis do what they asked us to do: protect them.

Desert Shield was a long and carefully staged build up. We wanted the Iraqis to know we were on their border and that of Kuwait. We rattled our sword...they rattled rhetoric back. The Iraqis didn't know what to expect. They were complacent in the fact that they had a very powerful armored force. They had an "elite" republican guard. They spent several months digging in and fortifying bunkers. Saddam rallied his citizens. We drew a line in the sand and came up with a date. Saddam shrugged it off and rallied his citizens. After all, they had lived through years of a brutal, World War I style war in the trenches with Iran and made it through.

On the night Desert Storm began, the USA and its allies unleashed a hailstorm of armament from the air--the likes of which Saddam never could imagine.

30 days and nights of all out boming. It became psychological operations. The Iraqis were scared shitless of our airpower. As they sat, safe in their bunkers...they wondered if and when the next 400lb bomb may just penetrate their wall. They lived in their own piss and shit...among rats and centipedes. Some days, American airpower would instead drop leaflets and let the Iraqis know just what is coming next. One day, leaflets were dropped on a bunker unit near the border. The leaflets said that a very large weapon would be dropped the next day and that they should leave. The next day, instead of F-16s, A6s, or A-10s, a C-130 appeared low in the skies. It did a lazy, wide circle over the bunker compound. Some Iraqis came out to watch as the rear ramp of the aircraft came down. Their last moments must have been utter surprise as the pallet containing a daisy cutter blew their world to shit. Every time after that, our leaflets were honored.

When our ground forces rolled in, it was all over but the crying.

Here's the deal. Desert Storm/Desert Shield was long and carefully thought out...just the way this next one will be. We'll attack when we're good and ready. The results will be beyond devastating. Expect some pretty heady psychological ops to take place.


Taking this a step forward...I think it would be great if Bin Laden holed up in a cave in the mountains. We'll bomb it every day while he lives in his own piss and shit like the Iraqis did in their pathetic bunkers. We'll drop leaflets on his compadres and follow through with the threat. A crater will replace his training camp of jungle jims and monkey bars.

They have no idea what they are going to deal with.


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 761 times:

Juul, I wouldn't worry. It appears the government/military doesn't care about public opinion. They will do what needs to be done the right way and not the popular way. It would've been real easy for Bush to call an airstrike for the sake of polls and public opinion. The fact that he didn't tells me he is doing the right thing.


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 758 times:

Juul, I agree with Jetservice and TT737FO, not Stonewall. Do you teach American history at your highschool? By the way, where does Belgium stand in all of this? Willing to let Americans die to protect you way of life, eh?


Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineJuul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 759 times:

Stretch 8,

To answer your questions: American history is not a specific subject here in Belgium, but yes, I do teach history (as well as English and Dutch) at my high school.

As for Belgium's position: We are a member of NATO, and have so far supported the US on this matter.

This is not a matter of being 'willing to let Americans die to protect our way of life'. I'm just not at all convinced that this is the best way to protect 'our way of life'.

BTW, where on earth did you get the assumption that I was willing to let Americans die to protect our way of life?


25 Stretch 8 : Please excuse the nasty remark. I respect all teachers. And I have enjoyed my visits to your country.
26 Post contains images Juul : No hard feelings
27 Bryan Becker : Well "Afghanastan should have buckled up before they hit the dash",And should I say that there is no airbags.All I can say is that all the countrys th
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