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Drug Dealer Freed - It Could Only Happen Here!  
User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

I've heard it all now!

A 19 year old drug dealer who pleaded guilty to possession of 83 wraps of heroin with intent to supply, and was even filmed hiding his drugs stash behind the bumper of his car, has been freed by a judge because our jails are "too full". Even the defendant's own solicitor told him that a custodial sentence was inevitable.

The man was given a 12 month jail sentence, suspended for 18 months, and 100 hours community service!

The judge is quoted as saying "you knew exactly what you were doing. You have, however, pleaded guilty, you are a young man and we are urged not to imprison young men for offences of this nature if they are of a comparatively minor scale."

WTF is going on here???!!!??? I was under the impression that 2 hits of heroin is enough to ruin someones life?? So, if I go out and kill or maim 41 people later today, it'll be seen as relatively minor? Yeah, right!

It's worth mentioning that this is a country which jails pensioners for failure to pay a small proportion (e.g. less than £100) of their council tax because they can't afford to pay it!!

Could this sort of thing really happen in your country? How would he have been dealt with where you live?

Honestly, I throw my hands up in complete disbelief!!  

[Edited 2006-01-04 08:07:29]

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User currently offlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

Quoting Cxsjr (Thread starter):
A 19 year old drug dealer who pleaded guilty to possession of 83 wraps of heroin with intent to supply

Send him to California...Lethal injection will do the job. What are wraps (83 is a lot no matter what)? He would spend some time in prison in the US



Cha brro
User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Quoting Gatorman96 (Reply 1):
What are wraps

I guess it's a slightly slang term for small packets - basically a wrap is a 'portion' of just a few grams taken from a larger supply. Effectively, this guy had 83 packets ready to sell.

By the way, I forgot to mention, he had his own 'business' cards printed too!!


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Quoting Gatorman96 (Reply 1):
What are wraps (83 is a lot no matter what)?

Commonly referred to as "bindles" here in the States.

Completely ridiculous adjudication. "Because our Prisons are too full". Incredible.

Better you in the UK than us here . . . .


User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

Quoting Cxsjr (Thread starter):
Could this sort of thing really happen in your country? How would he have been dealt with where you live?

We're not known for our sympathy towards hard drug dealers but IF the jails were "full" he would get home detention, I honestly think home detention should be scrapped as it isn't much of a punishment, however, commit further offences whilst on HD and you're in deep doo-doo!

Having seen the damage Heroin can do I would reckon they should get life and be left to rot.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

I'd put a weeks salary that this slime bucket was back on the streets dealing within hours of this ruling. If the jails are 'full', doesn't it stand to reason that someone who has at least served some of their time should be released before this guy. Sure he pleaded guilty, but was there any indication at all that he felt remorse or was planning on changing his ways?


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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2375 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1496 times:
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Quoting Cxsjr (Thread starter):
Could this sort of thing really happen in your country? How would he have been dealt with where you live?

Here in germany he would have gotten a cosy little house and a great car of german manufaction .. and of course a personal "thank you" card from our president.

No honestly ... I doubt he would have gotten a heavy verdict here ... at max 1 year in prison or even less, probably nothing more than a couple of social community service.
If he would have been 4 years younger he could have been sent to a "education camp for hard to educate youths" in a holiday island somewhere in the world, for free of course, the 100.000 bill will be paid by us taxpayers!

Mario
LH526



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4025 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Quoting LH526 (Reply 6):
If he would have been 4 years younger he could have been sent to a "education camp for hard to educate youths" in a holiday island somewhere in the world, for free of course, the 100.000 bill will be paid by us taxpayers!

I saw a piece on Portuguese TV about the German government (or some entity of it anyway) sending "difficult to educate" (i.e. proto-chavs) to Portugal for education. Problem is most of the "homes" they were put on were of people who had fled Germany for the exact same reason the kids were extradicted, and thought the hills of the Algarve were a good place to grow drugs. Most of the times they were just interested in the money they received for each kid and literally abandoned them, letting them do whatever they wanted.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

They should just inject drugs dealers with their entire stash in one dose. Would cure the problem very quickly, getting rid of the drugs, the dealers, and the shortage of prison cells all at the same time.


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User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 5):
but was there any indication at all that he felt remorse or was planning on changing his ways?

No mention in the article but I doubt it - if the guy had business card made, he knew what he was doing .... oooh, but I did forget to mention, he'd already been done for possession a month before!!!!

He's not fit to lick the sh1t from my shoes - I agree with Jwenting & Gatorman96, do away with him and all the other filth like him!!


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

Quoting Cxsjr (Reply 9):



Quoting Jwenting (Reply 8):



Quoting Gatorman96 (Reply 1):

While I share your sentiments to a degree I'll throw these thoughts at you:

A) this guy, although carrying 83 bindles, was nothing . . . just a street level punk ass drug dealer . . . a loser . . . a piece of shit to be certain . . . what we need is the organization that provided him with the drugs in the first place.

B) killing him off - or removing him from society in some fashion - will not eliminate the organization that is providing him with the drugs and that organization will:

1) Get some other loser street level piece of shit punk to take his place
2) Continue to pollute society with this crap.

C) Eliminating the source will not eliminate the demand . . . it's a two pronged approach. Education and Eradication must work together or BOTH will fail.

All that said: A small caliber bullet right behind the ear would suffice.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

Link?

"If you have an opinion on a topic, you should in detail express why you have the opinion and what made you come to that conclusion."


User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 11):
Link?

"If you have an opinion on a topic, you should in detail express why you have the opinion and what made you come to that conclusion."

Yep a link would be nice but if that is true it is ridiculous.
I mean it's not marihuana it is Heroin it's tough shit.


Regds
jush



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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5761 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Not quite the same Cxsjr, but equally crazy: this country's most notorious drug dealer, John Gilligan, about whom a film ("Veronica Guerin", starring Cate Blanchett) was made, has spent the last ten years in prison for dealing in drugs (he was charged with murdering the above name journalist but found not guilty). His extensive property portfolio (worth €17m) was seized by the government.

Fine. But two weeks ago the Supreme Court ruled that the CAB (same as the Assets Recovery Agency in the UK) had no right to seize his property and returned it to him. As the Supreme Court is the final arbiter in such matters, the property, all bought from proceeds of drug dealing, is his to keep.

[Edited 2006-01-04 16:46:25]

User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1385 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 11):
Link?

As you asked so nicely ....

here

and

here as well

[Edited 2006-01-04 18:30:33]

User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1376 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 13):
As the Supreme Court is the final arbiter in such matters, the property, all bought from proceeds of drug dealing, is his to keep.

WTF - the world is going mad! What fricking planet do all these old men in wigs come from?? When you hear crap like this, vigilante really does sound like an appealing option!


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1367 times:

Although I agree he should have got longer in prison, it must be borne in mind that his crime is relatively a minor one, and he had spent 100+ days in custody.

User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1365 times:

Quoting Cxsjr (Thread starter):
freed by a judge because our jails are "too full"



Quoting Cxsjr (Thread starter):
I go out and kill or maim 41 people later today, it'll be seen as relatively minor? Yeah, right!

As mentioned by some of our more proper-thinking peers, execution of violent offenders would free up space in jails for the "nonviolent" offenders to occupy.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
All that said: A small caliber bullet right behind the ear would suffice.

Large caliber would be even better, though. Would make a mess, but it's an excellent deterrent for "nonviolent" offenders to clean up!


User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3657 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1359 times:

Amazing! In my country even possession can immediately get you into jail, whether that is herion, cocaine or even marijuana depending on the quantity. Police is very strict about drugs.

User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 11):
Link?

"If you have an opinion on a topic, you should in detail express why you have the opinion and what made you come to that conclusion."

Get real, this IS a.net!  Wink


User currently offlineRyangooner From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 969 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

Im saddened to hear this, all of the hard work that is put into this and he kinda walks free. Its the exact reason why i never wait for the end of court to hear the verdict, too much of a kick in the nuts when your hard work is trashed by a judge/magistrate.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 16):
Although I agree he should have got longer in prison, it must be borne in mind that his crime is relatively a minor one, and he had spent 100+ days in custody.

Its certainly not a minor crime, drug pushing is one of the worst in my opinion. 112 days in custody is small fry for the damage that can be done with heroin.
83 wraps is still a significant amount - yes he may be low level but possession with intent to supply should be dealt with robustly by the courts...

Ryan



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User currently offlineScamp From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

Well, everyone knows that all you have to do is "just say no" and all the drug dealers will be out of business...right, Nancy?


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User currently offlineRAMPRAT980 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 600 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

Send him to China and lets see if he will apply his trade there.


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

I had a probationer that left the state of Arizona illegally transporting 100lbs of marijuana to Chicago. Got stopped in Russell, Kansas (Home of Bob Dole) by the Kansas Highway Patrol for speeding. Arrested. The good county attorney pled the case down to obstruction of justice. He told me that he couldn't afford to prosecute him if he took it to trial. The only jail time he got out of the deal was the probation violation in Arizona.

User currently offlineRAMPRAT980 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 600 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1197 times:

Well if he violated the terms of his probation then hopefully the state of Arizona did the right thing and hauled his a$$ back to Arizona to finish his sentence


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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

In the US (at least here in California) we have full jails. But that doesn't mean they don't send criminals to prison. It just means that they force them to share cells and/or let other criminals out early. I'm surprised they didn't let somebody out early to make room for this guy.

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