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End Of An Era - Stardust Hotel/Casino To Close  
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13255 posts, RR: 62
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4524 times:
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It looks like the Stardust Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas will be going the way of the Sands, The Dunes, and The Desert Inn hotels.  Sad

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10707141/




Updated: 11:20 a.m. ET Jan. 4, 2006
LAS VEGAS - Boyd Gaming Corp. plans to tear down the old Stardust casino to make way for a $4 billion hotel and casino complex on 63 acres of the Las Vegas Strip — one of the largest such developments planned in a town known for mega projects.

The complex, to be called Echelon Place, is scheduled to open in 2010 on the northern end of the strip, the company announced Wednesday. It will include four hotels with 5,300 guest rooms and suites, a 140,000-square-foot casino, theaters, a shopping promenade, spas and acres of convention space.

The site currently houses the aging, 1,500-room Stardust, home to “Mr. Las Vegas” singer Wayne Newton.




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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

NO ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !  Wow!


This SUCKS!

I've had friends thats stayed at there suites for $195 a night and they were really nice. Even though they haven't changed since the 1970s, it's still very posh & luxurious.

When do they plan on doing this?
I want to stay in there suites before this happens.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

Not that I'm against progress, but in looking back through a Sunset Magazine-produced pictorial history book of Las Vegas that I received at a conference there in 1988, I've come to the realization that..........I pretty much don't recognize the place any more!

Tom at MSY



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User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

I remember that I enjoyed my stay there back in 1992 when I was still a kid. My dad let me use a slot machine (I know it was illegal but who cares) and I won 25$ which was a lot of money for me back then. By that time I thought it was a very modern and luxurious hotel but today it is pretty obviuos that it can hardly stand a chance against places like the Bellagio or the Wynn.

User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

Truly the end of an era. With the Ho (just north of the Stardust) gone, me thinks Sluts-A-Fun between Circus and the Ho's site is next. That end of the strip is finally getting megasized with some gawd awful monstrosity going up next to the Riv.

I'll definitely have a farewell beverage at the Stardust.


User currently offlineGusNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 143 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
I've had friends thats stayed at there suites for $195 a night and they were really nice. Even though they haven't changed since the 1970s, it's still very posh & luxurious.

Well, I stayed last week at the Wynn for $179, and I have to say the Stardust can't compete with it.

The new Wynn is just incredible.

I understand the nostalgia, but...


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 4):
Truly the end of an era. With the Ho (just north of the Stardust) gone, me thinks Sluts-A-Fun between Circus and the Ho's site is next. That end of the strip is finally getting megasized with some gawd awful monstrosity going up next to the Riv.

Slots-A-Fun isn't going anywhere unless it's in conjunction with a redevelopment of Circus Circus, as it too is owned by MGM-Mirage. And a redevelopment of Circus Circus is at the earliest, 3-5 years away. MGM-Mirage took on a shitload of debt when they bought Mandalay Resorts and also have a lot of money riding on Project CityCenter, which is being built on the site of the Boardwalk, and is slated to open in 2009 (I predict a 2010 opening, there's bound to be some delays in a project this huge). So the redevelopment of Circus Circus (I doubt they'll drop the name and even the theme [they'll probably rework it some though]) will probably be complete by between 2012-2015 I would guess.

As for the montrosity next to the Riv, yet another fucking condo tower project, this one called Majestic.

Speaking of the Riv, a redevelopment may be on the horizon as well. A joint bid group has made an offer to buy around 1.6 million shares of Riveria Holdings stock @ $15 a share. Heck, the land the Riv sits on is worth more than that (rumored to be valued @ $15 million an acre and the site is 26 acres, you do the math).

The next casino in that neck of the woods to announce a redevelopment is the New Frontier. The redevelopment there has been on and off for over five years now (Prior to 9/11/01, he had proposed a San Francisco themed casino resort, complete with scaled down versions of the Golden Gate Bridge, Coit Tower, and even Lombard). Phil Ruffin will probably bring in his buddy Trump in for the project (Trump is already building condo towers on the back end of the property). Rumors are that the new resort will be called Mondo.


As for the redevelopment of the Stardust property, the only thing I hate is the name for the main property in the project. Eschelon Place sounds like a shopping mall name, not a casino/hotel. Retain the Stardust name dammit! Since the property isn't scheduled to close until next year, I'll at least one more chance to take more of their money (I took several hundred dollars off of them at the tables in April 2004).


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

Quoting GusNYC (Reply 5):
Well, I stayed last week at the Wynn for $179, and I have to say the Stardust can't compete with it.

Does the Wynn have hot tubs in the floor and shag carpets in the rooms that went for $179?
The Stardust has that feature in there premium rooms.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 4):
With the Ho (just north of the Stardust) gone,

What? Didn't they just OPEN the place?   Also, I thought it was west of Stardust, off the Strip. It's a derivative of Westward Ho, which is kind of a smallish casino with a niche, lower-end crowd. I take it that Westward Ho is still open. I can't believe that they closed Ho already.

What a name, though.  

I often stay at the Hilton family of hotels when in Vegas, so the closing of Stardust won't affect me too much. But it's a nice enough, "classic" hotel.  

[Edited 2006-01-04 23:16:43]

User currently offlineAmhilde From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 643 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

I wonder what the value of the property is that the Stardust is sitting on. I never liked that one- so its ok with me if they implode it- too bad they cant do the Circus while they are at it!


Hang on tightly, Let go lightly
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

Quoting Amhilde (Reply 9):
too bad they cant do the Circus while they are at it!

I guess I'm not a huge fan of Circus Circus, either. It's way too loud in the circus area, even when you're passing through it. Too many screaming kids and I don't really remember ever seeing a good show there.

The casino is all right but I've seen a lot better, and outside Vegas.

I do like the Stardust, as I said, for its classic Vegas look. The real "classic Vegas" is downtown, but I only go there occasionally while in Sin City.

[Edited 2006-01-04 23:34:00]

User currently offlineStlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9236 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4431 times:

I can't believe this. I'm seriously sad. I almost never want to visit Las Vegas again. I *LOVED* the Stardust. Granted, I've heard rumors of them replacing the property with something mega, but I thought they would always keep the name "Stardust" on that property. When I stayed at the Ho, the Riv and the Stardust were almost second homes. I loved every single one of the people I met who worked at the Stardust. They all talked about the casino portion being torn down and rebuilt and keeping the tower intact while the rest was reconstructed. The whole thing going down just blows.

The Stardust had a lot of loyal followers and a lot of the former Westward Ho clients were going to start staying there. They'll probably all head downtown or never go back.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 6):
(rumored to be valued @ $15 million an acre and the site is 26 acres, you do the math).

The Westward Ho property went for $20 million an acre. It was estimated the
Stardust was $20-$25 million an acre, but looks like Boyd doesnt want to sell the property.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
What? Didn't they just OPEN the place? Also, I thought it was west of Stardust, off the Strip. It's a derivative of Westward Ho, which is kind of a smallish casino with a niche, lower-end crowd. I take it that Westward Ho is still open

The Ho closed in October about a month before the Westward Ho closed. It closed November 17, 2005 at 5pm. I was there. It was sad.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 10):
I do like the Stardust, as I said, for its classic Vegas look. The real "classic Vegas" is downtown, but I only go there occasionally while in Sin City.

Agreed. The north end of the strip was tons of fun. Now it's gone to the shits.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

Quoting Amhilde (Reply 9):
I wonder what the value of the property is that the Stardust is sitting on. I never liked that one- so its ok with me if they implode it- too bad they cant do the Circus while they are at it!

Owned by different companies, besides, Circus Circus isn't going anywhere for awhile, see why in Reply 6.

I'm actually looking forward to staying at the Flamingo in March, as I'm still looking for "the place" to stay at when I go to Las Vegas. The Riv is alright, but I spent more time gambling at other casinos than I did at the Riv (I've spent quite a bit of time @ the Stardust), so it's not high on the list of where I'd stay at again. If I like the Flamingo, I'll stay there when I go back in the Fall for vacation.


User currently offlineAmhilde From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 643 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

I think the Circus makes quite a bit of money from a lower end of clientele, so as long as they are packing em in, then no point to refurb. We have a pink abomination on our "strip" here in Reno and the place is really ghetto- the police always have to patrol around there on the weekends.

Have you tried the TI? I had a good experience there in 2003.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

I guess we all must go to the Stardust during the March meet and make a sacrificial deposit into their rebuilding fund.  wink 

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4387 times:

Quoting Amhilde (Reply 13):

Have you tried the TI? I had a good experience there in 2003.

It's on the list for my Fall trip, but their rate calendar is only through the end of October (I'm looking at early November for my trip). But if I like the Flamingo when I stay there in March, I'll probably stay there.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

Hey, some one mentioned something about the Boardwalk. I cant seem to see it, Is it closed? I stayed there in '04 and it was an awesome place. Small yes, but thats why I liked it, and I went home in the black too! Cant complain there.


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 16):
Hey, some one mentioned something about the Boardwalk. I cant seem to see it, Is it closed? I stayed there in '04 and it was an awesome place. Small yes, but thats why I liked it, and I went home in the black too! Cant complain there.

Closes January 9th.

The Boardwalk site (and a good chunk of the back parking lots of the Monte Carlo) is going to be the site of MGM-Mirage's new project, CityCenter. Here's a great article on it (including architectural renderings) from one of my favorite websites Vegastripping.com:
Over The Boardwalk: Project CityCenter


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2564 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4337 times:

Thanks for the website, i've got it bookmarked already.

I'm just amazed that there is such a demand for Vegas condos. There just seems to be no downturn in sight.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4328 times:

Fascinating commentary, everyone. I want to thank the kind person who answered my question about the Ho and Westward Ho. I guess things really are changing in Vegas.

The architectural renderings of Project CityCenter are stunning. If it's built as depicted, it will change the Vegas skyline.

They say that what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas. However, it looks like what's happening now with Project CityCenter will soon be known all around the world.  Smile


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Sounds like a job for the Loizeaux family, who have brought down such Las Vegas buildings as the Landmark, Hacienda Hotel and Aladdin Hotel

User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2336 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

NO!!!!! I was just there in July and we stayed in a small motel just across from it... It was really nice on the inside. Too bad it had to be that hotel...  Sad


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4267 times:

At least I'll have photos to remember the place by when it closes (I'll have to make my way back down there when I in Vegas in March and November). This one of the sign was taken on my trip in April of 2004:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/srbmod/stardustsignresized.jpg


User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5404 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Progress marches on and originality goes the way of honest politicians and cheap gasoline! Today it's all theme park and big money family atmosphere. Something that is all sizzle with little steak. Something that wows your average "Grizwold's SUV driving GOP family." Also, they can slap it up all glitzy and cram more things into a finite amount of real estate. Of course, up go the prices. Of course plenty of shopping and booz and stuff for the rugrats. America is becoming homogonized. The old days of Route 66 and Rat pack Vegas and old old Atlantic City are juse memories on the Internet. The new stuff they throw up maybe has a shelf life of 20 years until the cycle is repeated over again. You can build them on the toxic Avenger's waste dump and they'll come like lemmings.

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User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

Long as they keep their hands off the Plaza down on Fremont Street I'll be a happy camper! lol

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4244 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 24):
Long as they keep their hands off the Plaza down on Fremont Street I'll be a happy camper! lol

The downtown hotels are going to be harder to knock down and rebuild since they are practically built on top of each other (similar to the way things are in parts of Reno). They can pretty much gut the insides of the buildings though, but I belive the outsides are protected (especially those that are on Fremont Street) as they are of historic significance. One of the few times lately (If not the only time) that any sort of modifications have been allowed to the exterior of any casino on Fremont was on Binion's when they lost the Horseshoe name.

The only downtown casino with any sort of renovation plans is the Lady Luck, which is closing down February 12th for a year long renovation project.


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