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2005-Deadliest Year For Reporters In A Decade  
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

According to "Reporters Without Borders", more journalists were killed in 2005 than in any other year in a decade.

"At last 63 journalists were killed in 2005 while doing their job or for expressing their opinions, the highest annual toll since 1995 (when 64 were killed, 22 of them in Algeria). Five media assistants (fixers, drivers, translators, technicians, security staff and others) were also killed."

Source: http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=16088

Now, how can we get Lawyers in on some of this action?  Wow!

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User currently offlineLesMainwaring From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 543 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Thread starter):
Now, how can we get Lawyers in on some of this action?

har har har har

how about some IT techs?

signed,

a journalist



I want something under my wheels thats plenty long and mighty dry --- Vern Demarest
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Thread starter):
Now, how can we get Lawyers in on some of this action?

Let's get as many lawyers together as we can, put Jesse Jackson at the head of the group, and send the whole bunch to meet with the terrorists in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq.

When the ransom demands come in, we insult the terrorists' doubtful parentage, and question them on whether the prefer to do it with male or female sheep. Big grin


User currently offlineLesMainwaring From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 543 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

isn't bush a laywer (please, please)

edited when i realized he coulnd't pass the bar ...

[Edited 2006-01-04 22:20:14]


I want something under my wheels thats plenty long and mighty dry --- Vern Demarest
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

Quoting LesMainwaring (Reply 3):
isn't bush a laywer (please, please)

No, he has some morals.

The Clintons are both lawyers. BTW, has Bill Clinton been given the right to practice again, after having been disbarred?


User currently offlineLesMainwaring From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 543 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
No, he has some morals.

well, its obvious he misplaced them a long time ago ... i sure hope he finds them and can start using them before his term ends !!!

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
The Clintons are both lawyers. BTW, has Bill Clinton been given the right to practice again, after having been disbarred?

i'm not sure ... does bill c. have a degree in economics too? seems we had a perfectly balanced budget under him



I want something under my wheels thats plenty long and mighty dry --- Vern Demarest
User currently offlineRAMPRAT980 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 600 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

Well I guess the liberal media will now claim that they have the most dangerous job in the entire world. More dangerous than police and firemen.


With gun control there can be no democracy.. With gun control there can be no Freedom
User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1433 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Thread starter):
more journalists were killed in 2005 than in any other year in a decade.

Yet Geraldo is still among the living.. That is the real tradgedy here.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3531 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

I realize the lawyer bashing is all in good fun, but it kind of makes it seem like most of you are taking the journalists deaths lightly...Out of the six posts on this thread so far, no one has said anything like "it's too bad that to report on things for all of us those journalists have to go into harms way" or "it's a shame people have to die in order to report the news"

Yes, most journalists are aware of the risks inherent in traveling to a dangerous locale to report a story, and most would measure their desire to report a good story against those risks and the story would probably come out on top. They're not going there to report a story for themselves, they're going because they know that as a journalist, it is their duty to report the news to their readership/viewers, and the risks they undertake in doing that are just part of their commitment to reporting the news.

As a journalism student, I find it sad that more people in this country and around the world don't have more respect for the people that gather the news.



Do you like movies about gladiators?
User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 8):
As a journalism student, I find it sad that more people in this country and around the world don't have more respect for the people that gather the news.

As a journalist, I agree with you. But we've earned a fair number of those brickbats over the years. Case in point: a veteran Baltimore Sun columnist resigned today after admitting to plagiarism.

We do need to clean up our act a tad. But that's no reason to diss those who do get in harms way to tell a story; they deserve our respect and admiration.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3531 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Quoting Arrow (Reply 9):
But we've earned a fair number of those brickbats over the years. Case in point: a veteran Baltimore Sun columnist resigned today after admitting to plagiarism.

very true, but out of the many thousands of journalists in the United States, it is only a very small number who have been guilty of plagiarism (Jason Blair formerly of the NY Times comes to mind, as does the guy from the New Republic).

It is like in any industry however that the bad apples or incidents are always the ones that are going to be remembered by the public. There are far more great stories of journalists doing something on a local, state and national level to actually make a difference in something as opposed to the ones where a journalist is found to have been plagiarizing.

the number one rule of journalism relates to sources:
If you're mother tells you she loves you, check it out.



Do you like movies about gladiators?
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 8):
most would measure their desire to report a good story against those risks and the story would probably come out on top.

To the contrary, they measure their desire for the almighty dollar against the odds of them getting shot or becoming "beheading bait". Their greed usually "comes out on top".

Quoting Arrow (Reply 9):
they deserve our respect and admiration.

Respect is earned, admiration is for heroes. Not flaming you, just saying not everyone sees it that way.

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 8):
I find it sad that more people in this country and around the world don't have more respect for the people that gather the news.

It very well may be that people in this country and the world don't have more respect for the people that gather the news because the people that gather the news don't have respect for the people!

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):
Let's get as many lawyers together as we can, put Jesse Jackson at the head of the group, and send the whole bunch to meet with the terrorists in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq.



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
The Clintons are both lawyers.

Hey, there's the man with the plan! Welcome to my Respected Users list!

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):
When the ransom demands come in, we insult the terrorists' doubtful parentage, and question them on whether the prefer to do it with male or female sheep.

Better yet, pigs (swine)!


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 8):
They're not going there to report a story for themselves, they're going because they know that as a journalist, it is their duty to report the news to their readership/viewers, and the risks they undertake in doing that are just part of their commitment to reporting the news.

Bull.

Journalism is a BUSINESS. As a journalist, you go for ratings, and if you don't you won't have a job very long. That is the nature of the game.

Another aspect of the game is that bad news sells better than good news. In fact, most of the time, good news is not news at all. If one million people get up, drive to work, work a good day, go home, spend the evening playing ball with the kids, and go to bed, nothing is said about it except for the one guy who stesses out and shoots a collegue. There is no question that we do get de-sensitized to violence via journalists. Blood and guts are exciting! People watch/read it like lemmings, and it feeds the journalistic machine.

I don't blame journalists for this. Like I said, this is the nature of media. If a dog pisses against your car, it's not vandalism, he's just being a dog. Same thing with journalists and the news they present, heavy on the bad news. They are just doing what they do.

It's up to us, among the great unwashed, to try to recognize the signs which indicate where the journalist is coming from, and to take it into account.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3531 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 12):
Bull.

Journalism is a BUSINESS. As a journalist, you go for ratings, and if you don't you won't have a job very long. That is the nature of the game.

*True* Journalists do not look at journalism as a job, a career, or a business. The people who own the media companies view it as this, and they are the ones who decides what news is news. Journalists have a very refined view of the news, and I can say that most real journalists would love to be able to choose their own stories based on what they feel the news is, not on what some editor or corporate board thinks it is.

Most journalists try and make the best of every story they are assigned, whether or not they have real news value. Going to Iraq and reporting on that or some other international event is definitely considered news, and most jumped at the chance to go over there for a few months to write about it.

In my first semester of graduate school, we had many round-table discussions about force feeding people "real" news, or giving them news that they "want" to hear...which we all know a lot of times isn't necessary real news.

But yes, you are right, people don't necessarily want to read or hear about real news. Hence what you see pretty much on a daily basis from magazines, newspapers, TV's, etc...



Do you like movies about gladiators?
User currently offlineLesMainwaring From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 543 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 12):
Journalism is a BUSINESS. As a journalist, you go for ratings, and if you don't you won't have a job very long. That is the nature of the game.



i am a journalist and have been for 10 years ... its a business, but for the most part, a pretty bland business ... you don't get up in the morning and think "Ratings", you think "i hope this assembly at the high school ends on time"

you see a very small part of sensational journalism on television, just a bit of what the profession as a whole is.

the huge sensational stories happening every day are covered by not even 1 percent of the journalists worldwide --- most cover local government or education or sports or human interest

meeting deadlines and reporting accurately is the true nature of the game

and the bit about dishonest journalists? what profession doesn't have some bad apples? cops on the take, pilots that fly drunk, doctors that cut corners ... its human nature that creates these dishonest type, not a profession

[Edited 2006-01-05 00:41:20]


I want something under my wheels thats plenty long and mighty dry --- Vern Demarest
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Quoting LesMainwaring (Reply 14):
i am a journalist and have been for 10 years

Well......that explains a lot!  Yeah sure


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4514 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

Unfortunately events in Lebanon didn't really help keep that number down this year.

Hoping for a better 2006.



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineLesMainwaring From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 543 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 15):
Well......that explains a lot


so it all came together for you? how kind of you to notice my wit, intelligence, grace and style ... i should come give you a big, wet kiss right on your lips, loverboy

[Edited 2006-01-05 02:34:12]


I want something under my wheels thats plenty long and mighty dry --- Vern Demarest
User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1372 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 10):

the number one rule of journalism relates to sources:
If you're mother tells you she loves you, check it out.

I find it funny that a journalism student doesn't know when to use "your" versus "you're".

AAndrew


User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 8):
As a journalism student, I find it sad that more people in this country and around the world don't have more respect for the people that gather the news.

If the media respected the people they are reporting on they mey get some respect in return. In your face "How do you feel ?" questions to some poor mother who had her kid run over by a bus, will never get any respect in my books.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 12):
Journalism is a BUSINESS. As a journalist, you go for ratings, and if you don't you won't have a job very long. That is the nature of the game.

Yes, it is a shame that sensationalism over fact or truth has taken the lead on most forms of reporting.

Quoting LesMainwaring (Reply 14):
you see a very small part of sensational journalism on television, just a bit of what the profession as a whole is.

The rise in tabloid style print media and the sensationalist way of presenting non print media is a sad statement on todays society as a whole. 'If it bleeds it leads' approach to reporting really pisses me off. The fact that just about every innocuous TV sitcom/drama has to have the canned warning about adult content and violence every 5 minutes but the news doesn't is just another reason not to watch or pay attention the media as a whole.

Quoting LesMainwaring (Reply 14):
the huge sensational stories happening every day are covered by not even 1 percent of the journalists worldwide --- most cover local government or education or sports or human interest

But where does that 99% of info end up ? In less than 5% of the paper or in the last 3 minutes of a news broadcast

The media in general have lost the trust and respect of the public they are supposed to serve. When they make mistakes it's never their fault, or the retraction is buried so deeply that most people never hear or see it. What happened to reporting the facts and letting the reader/consumer draw their own conclusions ? Just report the news and stop being the news.

WrenchBender (rant over)



Silly Pilot, Tricks are for kids.......
User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3531 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 18):
I find it funny that a journalism student doesn't know when to use "your" versus "you're".

*slaps self in the face*

yeah. i deserved that. One of my profs doesn't think I know the difference between "it's" and "its" either because at least once in all of my articles i end up making a typo and use the wrong one.

your = possessive
you're = you are
its = possessive
it's = it is

"If your mother tells you she loves you, check it out."



Do you like movies about gladiators?
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Quoting LesMainwaring (Reply 17):
how kind of you to notice my wit, intelligence, grace and style

 vomit   vomit   vomit   vomit   vomit   vomit 

Quoting LesMainwaring (Reply 17):
i should come give you a big, wet kiss right on your lips, loverboy

Hey, no threats allowed!!! Rule Number 7 from the A.Net Detailed Rules:
"You agree that you will not use this discussion forum to post any statement which is knowingly false, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, graphic, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy or otherwise in violation of any law."


User currently offlineLesMainwaring From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 543 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 19):
The media in general have lost the trust and respect of the public they are supposed to serve.

that is because you make broad, sweeping generalities

it would be like me talking about the southwest overrun at MDW and saying:
"airlines have lost the trust and respect of the public they are suppose to serve"

you can't lump jerry springer and lou dobbs in the same pile. it is totally different

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 19):
What happened to reporting the facts and letting the reader/consumer draw their own conclusions ?



Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 19):
The rise in tabloid style print media and the sensationalist way of presenting non print media is a sad statement on todays society as a whole.

stop watching maury povich and reading the 'national enquirer' and realize those have nothing in common with say, the mcneil/lehrer newshour or washington post

...

do you read your hometown newspaper? what percentage of it do you see as sensationalism?

my point is there is a big pool of journalists out there, and only a few that (1) go cover these huge, sensational stories and (2) are disreputable



I want something under my wheels thats plenty long and mighty dry --- Vern Demarest
User currently offlineLesMainwaring From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 543 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 20):
yeah. i deserved that.

hey, we all need editors! i love having two or three people read behind me on a story

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 21):
Hey, no threats allowed!!!

no threat, sugar, just a promise ... now, pucker-up buttercup, you know we have to recruit, and if you switch teams now, you get a new toaster !!!



I want something under my wheels thats plenty long and mighty dry --- Vern Demarest
User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1344 times:

Quoting LesMainwaring (Reply 22):
do you read your hometown newspaper? what percentage of it do you see as sensationalism?

Here are my 2 choices of Local Newspaper(their websites)
http://www.calgarysun.com/
Tabloid Style reporting, greater than 50% is ads less than 10% of what is left is real news (non opinionated or sensationalism)
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/index.html
A better read, less advertising. Still a little on the sensational side, more local issue stuff. The 2 Nationals, The Globe and Mail and the National Post are too centralized in/on Toronto to give a good local POV.

Quoting LesMainwaring (Reply 22):
you can't lump jerry springer and lou dobbs in the same pile. it is totally different

I don't, Jerry Springer is supposedly entertainment  sarcastic   vomit . Lou Dobbs ??? McNeil/Lehrer, yes that is news that is how it should be reported not the crap that is produced at 6 and 11 on all the major networks. If I want news on TV I watch BBC News World, CBC News World and CTV News Network and on occasion CNN.

Quoting LesMainwaring (Reply 22):
that is because you make broad, sweeping generalities

And I stand by those generalities and my statement

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 19):
The media in general have lost the trust and respect of the public they are supposed to serve.

When the day to day reporting gets back to reporting facts and not opinion. I will gladly get up and cheer those reporters.

WrenchBender



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