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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13554 posts, RR: 62
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11210 times:
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Here's a new car I think even Superfly will have to admit is a beaut - today's technology merged with the classic 70s muscle-car look and feel...and it's a TWO DOOR!  bigthumbsup 

Now if only we can see the '68 Camaro revisited...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/funonw.../01/04/dodge_challenger/index.html



NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - With an appearance that draws heavily from the classic muscle cars of the late 1960s and early '70s, the Dodge Challenger, premiering in concept car form at next week's Detroit Auto Show, should satisfy those who thought the 4-door Dodge Charger just didn't have the right stuff.

This time around, the number of doors stays true to the original spirit. Just two.

"The people who were complaining about the Charger, if they complain about the Challenger there's something wrong with them," said David Zatz who runs the Web site Allpar.com, a site about Chrysler Group products.




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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11204 times:

SWEET!
Absolutely gorgeous!

I hope Chrysler has the balls to put this in to production.

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):
Now if only we can see the '68 Camaro revisited...

Do yoy expect any logic or common sense from General Motors of today?
I don't.
I wouldn't be suprised if GM slapped the Camero namplete on the existing Aveo platform. They did a similar stunt with the Nova and LeMans namplate.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineMuddydwagon From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 657 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11186 times:

We can always wish for the return of the Camaro








Too bad this is just some kids concept maybe GM will open there eyes on this and bring them back.

Cheers Peter


User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3394 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11175 times:

Finally, retro done right.

GM is too busy with garbage like this. May I present the 2007 "Dub" edition cadillac Escalade.
http://www.autospies.com/images/uploads/large/SP32-20060102-160214.jpg?undefined

Horrible.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11172 times:

Can't wait to see this beauty at the Philadelphia Auto Show next month. I would love to see this car receive production approval.  thumbsup 


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11169 times:

Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!

Allpar has some really great closeups of the Challenger:
LY: 2007 Dodge Challenger


And in other DCX news, Chrysler is rumored to reintroduce some old nameplates at the Detroit Auto Show. The Aspen is coming back as a Chrysler SUV that's based on the Dodge Durango. And the Imperial concept car as well (rumored to be a stretched 300C evolved into a Rolls Phantom direction).


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):
And the Imperial concept car as well (rumored to be a stretched 300C evolved into a Rolls Phantom direction).

OH MY GOD!  Wow!
Will someone send SWA TPA or Pilot_kaz over to pinch me?!?!
Is this a dream come true?
Does anyone remember a thread I started almost two years ago about Chrysler bringing back the Imperial based on the current 300C?
Is this for real?
I must be a psychic!  Wow!



Flight152:
I hope that is just a bad joke or a spoof site of some sort. Would GM actually do something that stupid?
Ooops, never mind. Forget I asked. Embarrassment



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineCFCUQ From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 712 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11151 times:

I'm not a Daimler-Chrysler fan, but that concept car rocks ! And you know what ? I bet they have the balls to build it, and will sell like crazy.
Too bad no-one at GM has gonads these days.


User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2470 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11147 times:

Yes, the new Challenger concept is a sweet looker and it's a given Dodge will build it. It's everything in style the god-awful hideous new Charger isn't. The only caveat is that it'll be built on the LX platform underpinning the Charger, making it significantly bigger and heavier than the Mustang GT it will compete with. While a suitably powerful Hemi engine can erase that weight difference in the 0-60 sprints, the Challenger won't be as tossable as the Mustang, limiting its fun-to-drive factor. The other downside is that high insurance and gas prices will likely curtail sales to younger drivers who'd want it most; it'll end up selling more to older retro-minded buyers as the Mustang GT appears to be doing. Although Ford (per Car and Driver) sold about 165,000 Mustangs in 2005, past experience shows sporty cars have a rather short shelf life after they're new; sales decline sharply after the first couple of years after the novelty wears off. This was certainly true of the last Camaro/Firebird, a superb sportster that buyers nevertheless abandoned. While Ford has had far more success than GM in this area, even Mustang sales have ebbed and flowed in recent years. The once-hot ponycar market dwindled away as buyers went SUV-crazy. Now that SUVs are on the decline, will a viable market for pony and musclecars return? The lack of buyers for the excellent Pontiac GTO leave a question mark here; somehow I doubt it's only the GTO's lack of flash holding it back. People are also into hot sports-sedans like BMWs 3 and 5-series and the Chrysler 300C plus the possible threat of gas prices surging to $4. per gallon or higher this summer casts a pall over the performance car market. As in the old days, Dodge had better also offer an economical six as does Ford to capture buyers looking for style instead of power. Surely, GM will have to respond with a similarly conceived new Camaro.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11134 times:

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
This was certainly true of the last Camaro/Firebird, a superb sportster that buyers nevertheless abandoned.

More like GM aboandoned. The last time I saw a Camaro/Firebird Trans Am ad was when Night Rider was on air. GM went 15 years without putting hardly any marketing in to it.

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
Although Ford (per Car and Driver) sold about 165,000 Mustangs in 2005, past experience shows sporty cars have a rather short shelf life after they're new; sales decline sharply after the first couple of years after the novelty wears off.

The boxy Fox platform Mustang (1979-1993) sold well for 14 years looking about the same throughout the years.

[Edited 2006-01-05 01:36:09]


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11125 times:

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
The only caveat is that it'll be built on the LX platform underpinning the Charger, making it significantly bigger and heavier than the Mustang GT it will compete with

It's going to be built on the LY platform, which is the next gen of the LX platform. The Challenger has a shorter wheelbase than the current LX cars (116 inches vs. 120 for the other LX cars), so there will be some weight savings there.

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
It's everything in style the god-awful hideous new Charger isn't.

I love the way the Charger looks; the only way to make it look even better would be to lose the four doors. I saw an edited Charger photo that made it a two door and it looked sweet.


User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 927 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11101 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):

Now if only we can see the '68 Camaro revisited...

Looks like they've listened...keep your fingers crossed that it does make it into production for 2008:

http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_sh...006/0601_chevrolet_camaro_concept/






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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11062 times:

That's not a bad looking concept, but by 2008? Typical GM of late, late to the party, that is.

And I don't know about y'all but I seriously dig the Charger SRT-8.


User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11057 times:

Watch out, Mustang! It'd be so cool to see this and the new Mustang side-by-side waiting at a red light!

User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11048 times:

I was amazed about how the new car looks like the original article, from a rear 3/4 view. And it appears to be a true two door hardtop, as well. (For you young whipper snappers, that's a car who's B-post goes down with the rear window.)

It's a stunner....



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11046 times:

Quoting Tristarenvy (Reply 14):
(For you young whipper snappers, that's a car who's B-post goes down with the rear window.)

Actually the real difference between hardtop and sedan is that in a hardtop (whether pillared or conventional) there is no frame around the door's windows similar to convertibles. With a conventional (non-pillared) hardtop, you're right; with both windows down (assuming the model allows it, more on that in a moment), there is no pillar obstructing the view.

However, since 1975, most 2-door hardtops did NOT allow the rear-side windows to roll down even though they conceivably could have. One actually has to look on the car's inside to see whether there's a bonfide pillar between the front and rear-side windows (don't just go by the chrome edge). Examples include the '77-'79 Mark Vs, '77-'79 LTD IIs/Cougars (including XR-7), '79-'85 Eldorados/Rivierias/Tornados (excludes Trofeo models), not sure if the '75-'78 full-size Mercs. allowed the rear windows to roll as well (though the '74 and earlier models did), and I also believe that the '74-'76 GM B-body 2 doors (excluding the '75 Impala 2-door (non-Custom)) hardtops did not allow the rear window to roll down.

By 1975, most full & mid-size 2-doors adopted opera windows and hence became pillared hardtops. The last true 4-door hardtop (no pillar) was the 1978 Chrysler Newport/New Yorker.

For the most part, hardtops & pillared hardtops were casualties of the late '70s/early '80s downsizing.

[Edited 2006-01-05 15:48:50]


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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11044 times:

Using the Challenger name is somewhat odd because the original Challenger was not a sales success. If Chrysler wants to reincarnate a muscle-car name, they'd be better off with Barracuda even though that was a Plymouth name rather than Dodge.


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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6799 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11020 times:

Too bad it's a Daimler-Chrysler.

User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11016 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
not sure if the '75-'78 full-size Mercs. allowed the rear windows to roll as well (though the '74 and earlier models did), and I also believe that the '74-'76 GM B-body 2 doors (excluding the '75 Impala 2-door (non-Custom)) hardtops did not allow the rear window to roll down.

Correct. The 74-76 "Colonnade" GM B body DID have a version that had windows that moved. Some, but not ALL, Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs had a small pane that rolled down. Chevy had a large glass, that didn't.



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User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11007 times:

The new Challenger concept car is a modified version of the Charger concept of a few years ago.

They put the flat front on it to give it the current Chrysler/Dodge look. But I really wish they would have just built the car shown below:

http://www.atspeedimages.com/pebble99/elegance/dodge_charger_concept_car.jpg



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11004 times:

I still want to know what the hell happened to the charger they were supposed to build (see above)...

User currently offlineNKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10959 times:

Quoting Diamond (Reply 19):



Quoting Diamond (Reply 19):
The new Challenger concept car is a modified version of the Charger concept of a few years ago.

They put the flat front on it to give it the current Chrysler/Dodge look. But I really wish they would have just built the car shown below:

http://www.atspeedimages.com/pebble9...r.jpg

Oh yes, I remember. Quite possibly the best looking 4-door car on the planet and I sure wish they would've released the Charger in this form rather than the current mold of the "somewhat streamlined brick" look of so many of Mopar's offerings now.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10951 times:

Quoting Diamond (Reply 19):
The new Challenger concept car is a modified version of the Charger concept of a few years ago.
http://www.atspeedimages.com/pebble99/elegance/dodge_charger_concept_car.jpg

Looks like a Stratus on steroids.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10945 times:

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 18):
Correct. The 74-76 "Colonnade" GM B body DID have a version that had windows that moved. Some, but not ALL, Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs had a small pane that rolled down.

I believe the 74-76 Buick/Olds/Pontiac B-body 2-doors all featured the small pane but I don't believe the pane necessarily rolled down on the '75-'76 models.

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 18):
Chevy had a large glass, that didn't.

Only the '74-'76 Caprices & '74-'75 Impala Customs had just the opera window that you speak of; the non-Custom '74-'75 Impala 2-doors had 4 available roll-down windows.

IIRC, the move to eliminate roll-down rear-side windows on most 2-doors then might have been due to a red-herring reaction the automakers had to some potential safety regulations that, to my knowledge, ultimately didn't materialize. The same could be said (this one's actually documented in a Ford book) for why Ford got rid of all its 4-door (non-pillared) hardtops in 1975.



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User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10939 times:

In keeping with all other American muscle cars it'll have a 400 litre V8 engine, do 3mpg and won't be able to go around corners.

BF

 duck 



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25 Post contains images NKP S2 : Depends what era of which you speak, and even then your statement is rife with ignorance. The "classic" musclecar era ( 1964-1973 ) were not very fue
26 Post contains images Gilligan : Absolutely!!! That's what a true muscle car is all about. Hopping from one light to the next and leaving a visible smoke trail! Shame they probably w
27 Superfly : BristolFlyer: NKP S2 is correct. In fact all of the American cars are of better quality than the British/Leyland cars and even after Leyland disolved,
28 RNOcommctr : My only complaint about the Challenger is that it is TOO retro. In other words, it looks almost exactly like the original. I had somewhat the same com
29 MrChips : Of course it's going to handle better...it's a wonder what 60 years of automotive technology can do to handling qualities.
30 Post contains images NKP S2 : True...but of course the sword cuts both ways. Which way do you want it? Some of the more effete sneering know-it-alls on this forum take pleasure in
31 MrChips : Even though I have only been driving for about 8 years now, I have had the opportunity to drive a lot of cars of many types. I can categorically tell
32 NKP S2 : I wasn't referring to "tuner" cars vs classic muscle, I was referring to new muscle vs classic muscle; the new denoting the Mustang/Charger/Viper/Cor
33 Post contains images 3DoorsDown : Two things: I may finally have to buy another Dodge. And Oh my God!!! 2007 Cadillac PieceofCrapcalade. Fricking hideous looking. 3DD
34 Post contains links AvObserver : "More like GM abandoned. The last time I saw a Camaro/Firebird Trans Am ad was when Night Rider was on air. GM went 15 years without putting hardly an
35 Post contains images Cptkrell : The Challenger Concept is kinda neat, but IMHO, doesn't have quite the "reach" appearance-wise (sort of like the new Mustang...it's percieved as too m
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