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Legal Dope In Holland - A Few Questions About That  
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Ok, everyone knows that you can buy hash and marijuana legaly in the great country of the Netherlands. I have a few questions regarding the background.

  • Does the government also earn money? Is there a kind of taxes on dope? If yes, how much?


  • Does the government control everything? Are there only licensed people who are allowed to grow dope and do they have people who test if it is good enough, or can any idiot sell his weed to a coffee shop?


  • Who can open up a coffee shop? Do you have to pass some tests before you can open one, i.e. You must know how to deal with someone who smoked too much, etc.?


  • and finally

  • Why do idiots on the streets try to sell you dope a few hundred meters away from the entrance of a coffee shop? Which idiot is so stupid and buys from them?


  • Patrick

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    User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
    Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

    It's not legal but just 'tolerated/not prosecuted'
    - The coffeeshop owners normally report income tax, same rate as if they'd sell anything else. Not sure about the VAT-taxrate (tax on consumer goods), my guess is the normal 19% rate like on most un-necessecary goods.
    - No it's out of control, especially the production part is illegal and actually prosecuted. Most dutch tough criminals has to do with soft drugs production and distribution.
    - In the 70s-80s anyone could open a coffee shop, just like opening a bar or restaurant. In the last 10 years many cities have a discouraging policy, that they tolerate the existing coffeeshops which were allowed in the more liberal times but not allow new ones to open.
    The existing coffeeshop are checked and scrutinized though. If the owners allow underaged, harddrugs, people using too much and cause any other problems in the neighborhood they see their shops permanently closed by the police, so that's the way they take care of learning how to be fairly decent.
    People on the streets mainly sell other drugs (cocaine, XTC, heroin) which is of course not sold in the shops. The people who DO sell drugs on the streets do that focussing on people who are not allowed in coffeeshops (below 18), or away from coffeeshops. In Amsterdam West you have areas without coffeeshops, so there is lots of selling and consumption on the street. The local government actually thinks of allowing a few new coffeeshops again there.
    Have fun and cheers, Servaas



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    User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

    Thank you very much, a very competent reply!

    Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
    Have fun

    No worries, I am consuming a certain Dutch product, fun is guaranteed.  Wink

    Patrick


    User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

    What was this whole thing about a year back where Amsterdam banned smoking marijuana in coffee shops? What's the deal with that? Can one no longer smoke there legally, or are people required to just do it at home?  Confused

    User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
    Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

    Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
    Does the government also earn money? Is there a kind of taxes on dope? If yes, how much?

    Rather than stating that soft-drugs are legal in Holland, it would be better to say that they are not law-enforcements' nor politicians' Number 1 Priority. They are allowed, but certainly not legal.

    Some coffee-shops are allowed to sell soft-drugs to their customers in the same way as they are allowed to sell a cup of coffee or a bottle of water. However, whereas coffee and bottles of water can be obtained legally by these coffee-shops from their usual providers, it is still unlegal for them to obtain soft-drugs from third-party suplliers (a.k.a. drug-dealers). In a way, they are therefor forced to obtain their soft-drug products illegally, either directly from people who grow these plants illegally or through a dealer. And these particular channels are in turn controlled by the police, not just because they are illegal, but because of the related offenses (i.e. people growing plants not paying their incredibly high electricity bills, dealers selling soft- and hard-drugs). IMHO, the only reason why the Dutch Government hasn't properly legalized the whole soft-drug industry is because of international pressure (particularly France).

    Since the (local) government does raise taxes on coffee-shops in general, I guess one can say that the government does, indirectly, earn money and I guess the (16%?) VAT is also applied to soft-drugs sold.

    Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
    Does the government control everything? Are there only licensed people who are allowed to grow dope and do they have people who test if it is good enough, or can any idiot sell his weed to a coffee shop?

    In part, see above. The Dutch Justice Department issued a guideline which, among other things, stated that only up to a maximum of 5 grams per person per day can be sold, that no hard-drugs (including XTC) are sold, that coffee-shops don't advertise, that no minors are allowed, etc. On top of these guidelines, local authorities also have their own rules and regulations.

    Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
    Who can open up a coffee shop? Do you have to pass some tests before you can open one, i.e. You must know how to deal with someone who smoked too much, etc.?

    This is up to local governments (town-halls). They define their own local soft-drug policy which would include if and when affirmative, how many coffee-shops are allowed, where and which would also establish the rules/guidelines.

    Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
    Why do idiots on the streets try to sell you dope a few hundred meters away from the entrance of a coffee shop? Which idiot is so stupid and buys from them?

    People who want to buy more than 5 grams or people who use their own dealer because of the quality of the produce he sells.

    More info here (in Dutch): http://www.justitie.nl/publiek/crimi...it_en_preventie/drugs/coffeeshops/

    [Edited 2006-01-06 01:09:26]


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    User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1086 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

    Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 2):
    No worries, I am consuming a certain Dutch product, fun is guaranteed.

    What, Chocomel?



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    User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

    Quoting TheCoz (Reply 3):
    What was this whole thing about a year back where Amsterdam banned smoking marijuana in coffee shops?

    Smoking dope banned in coffee shop? I never heard about that. On the other hand I wouldn't be against it, why not buy your stuff and smoke it at home?

    Well, they sell it in coffee shops, so you are of course allowed to "test" the stuff before you buy.  Wink

    Patrick


    User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

    Quoting Rlwynn (Reply 5):
    What, Chocomel?

    Can you smoke Chocomel nowadays?  Wink

    Patrick


    User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1086 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

    I think a trip to Venlo is in order. You know, diesel is like 10 cents cheaper there.


    I can drive faster than you
    User currently offlineIhadapheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6027 posts, RR: 55
    Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

    Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 2):
    No worries, I am consuming a certain Dutch product, fun is guaranteed

    I am seriously beginning to think that Patrick is my untill now unkown younger brother. His interest in "aroma-therapy" reminds me of when I was a young Zippy. It has been many a year since my last "aroma-therapy"


    Uh oh, I'll BRB, wifey is making me some Vodka and Tang!

    IHadABong



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    User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

    Venlo is always a trip worth.  Wink

    By the way, fuel is in Holland more expensive than in Germany.... anyway, a carton of Marlboro is a bit cheaper than in Germany.  Wink

    I used to go to Venlo in the past but nowadays I prefer Nimwegen, coffee shops and bars are great there.

    Patrick


    User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

    Quoting Ihadapheo (Reply 9):
    IHadABong

     rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

    Patrick


    User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
    Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

    think you nead an dutch drugs expert on this questions... but they shouldn't be hard to find  Wink

    User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
    Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

    Most drugs experts (the growing and marketing thereof that is) come from the Antilles Maurice...
    So you're more likely to be one than the rest of us...

    Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 10):
    a carton of Marlboro is a bit cheaper than in Germany.

    Since when? Several people I know that smoke go to Germany to get their fags.


    Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
    Can you smoke Chocomel nowadays?

    Never tried. You can probably condense it enough to make it smokable  Wink

    Quoting TheCoz (Reply 3):
    What was this whole thing about a year back where Amsterdam banned smoking marijuana in coffee shops? What's the deal with that? Can one no longer smoke there legally, or are people required to just do it at home?

    Several are closed down all the time for breaking the rules about what they're allowed to sell without police interference in their illegal business.
    You could never smoke there legally, it's just not acted on.

    Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
    Does the government also earn money? Is there a kind of taxes on dope? If yes, how much?

    As said, most shoppes pay taxes. But I don't think they pay them on the drugs, they'll hardly have a complete registry of where they got them after all  Wink

    Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
    Does the government control everything? Are there only licensed people who are allowed to grow dope and do they have people who test if it is good enough, or can any idiot sell his weed to a coffee shop?

    Anyone can legally grow a certain amount, used to be 5 plants I believe (but that was a while ago).
    More than that and you're illegal (so any semi-commercial enterprise is illegal).
    Noone tests it except maybe the buyer so yes, anyone can sell to a shoppe.

    Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
    Who can open up a coffee shop? Do you have to pass some tests before you can open one, i.e. You must know how to deal with someone who smoked too much, etc.?

    You must submit for permission to the city who will then decide based on local policies whether they want you there to run the place.
    Most cities that allow them at all have strict limits on the number and location of drugs parlors.
    Apart from that there are I think no requirements other than those for a normal pub (after all, there's nothing like a school where they teach you how to run a cofee shop, certainly none that's government approved...).



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    User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
    Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

    Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
    Why do idiots on the streets try to sell you dope a few hundred meters away from the entrance of a coffee shop? Which idiot is so stupid and buys from them?

    Basically the answer was already given: On the streets, at least that is my experience from Amsterdam, and I go there at least 4 times a year, they sell you hard stuff..or pretend to do so. Sometimes dope, correct, but since I have some friends who actually go there AND love to consume marihuana (dear police should you read this: No I won't give names now go fu.k yourself!!), there are some problems with the coffee shops:

    1. A lot of people have "Schwellenangst"...that is, are afraid to enter such a place of sin  Wink

    2. In some cases it was in the end a mistake to do it, because quite often, maybe not in AMS, but close to the border, like Venlo or so, there were undercover policemen checking the coffeeshops, sometimes taking down the numbers of car plates of people who clearly bought more than the usual dose for your plaasure...and then upon re-entrance made their arrest...it happened quite a a few times.

    Can you smoke Chocomel? Of course you can...put it in a pot, heat it and forget to take it away...you'll find out soon enough that virtually all things are somehow smokable...even vanilla Vla (NOT recommended though Big grin)!



    I know it's only VfB but I like it!
    User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

    Patrick, you should be aware of a legal trap situation in Germany. These days, smoking dope or owning small quantities for own consumption is (as in the Netherlands) illegal, but not prosecuted in most Bundesländern. Dealing however is strictly prohibited and will be prosecuted everywhere.

    Now if you buy yourself some weed at your hometown from some (illegal) schmock around the corner, you have to fear no legal consequences (while Mr. Schmock has). All you have to fear is that Mr. Schmock sold you some crap shit.

    But if you go to Holland, buy the same amount of weed from a somewhat trustworthy coffee shop, and bring this weed to Germany only for the purpose of own consumption, you will be accused of drug smuggling (if you are caught, of course).

    Only one of the many stupidities in German drug legislation.

    Anyway, next time you go to Holland for... err... refueling, give me a call... Big grin


    User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1086 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

    The cool thing about going to Venlo is that there is a coffee shop just a few hundred meters from the border when entering the Netherlands from the direction of Mönchengladbach. One can do their day of shopping in Venlo and then on the way out you can check out what is going on at the border. There also is a Texaco station that is in the Netherlands but there will often be a few Opel Omegas sitting and watching. The thing to do is go through the border check it out. When the coast looks clear just go to the next exit which is only 500 meters and go back to the coffee shop, purchase and leave again.

    I am pretty paranoid about this whole smuggling thing so I am pretty careful.

    [Edited 2006-01-06 11:06:15]


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    User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
    Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

    Quoting Schoenorama (Reply 4):
    that coffee-shops don't advertise

    That part I know for a fact is completely ignored...



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    User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
    Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

    Quoting Pyrex (Reply 17):
    That part I know for a fact is completely ignored...

    They can advertise their name, brand, etc. They can't advertise openly that they sell drugs. Most coffee-shops get around this prohibition by including the typical marihuana-leave in their logo which, AFAIK, is permitted.



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    User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
    Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

    Quoting Andreas (Reply 14):
    virtually all things are somehow smokable...even vanilla Vla (NOT recommended though )!

    Do tell us more...

    Quoting ZakHH (Reply 15):
    But if you go to Holland, buy the same amount of weed from a somewhat trustworthy coffee shop, and bring this weed to Germany only for the purpose of own consumption, you will be accused of drug smuggling (if you are caught, of course).

    Only one of the many stupidities in German drug legislation.

    Not stupid at all. You're transporting banned goods across an international border which is smuggling.
    It's a different law altogether at work there.

    Quoting Schoenorama (Reply 18):
    Most coffee-shops get around this prohibition by including the typical marihuana-leave in their logo which, AFAIK, is permitted.

    It's allowed as it's not a brand logo or name so can't be classed as advertising a product.
    Nice little loophole.
    Of course there are more plants using the same shape leaf so they could always claim it is purely coincidental.



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    User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
    Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

    Quoting Jwenting (Reply 19):
    Do tell us more...

    Easy: Put it in a pot, on the oven, turn on the heat full blast, leave the kitchen and forget it...you'll find out soon enough about smokability... funny though, that it smells like all things burnt, so we didn't exactly get addicted to it! But basically it works! And it doesn't really take long.....  Silly



    I know it's only VfB but I like it!
    User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

    At first, thanks to all the Dutch members for the interesting information!

    Quoting Jwenting (Reply 13):
    Since when? Several people I know that smoke go to Germany to get their fags.

    I don't know if smokes are still cheaper in Holland, last time I was there (in March last year) I paid 20 Cent less for a pack Marlboro Light than in Germany. Another advantage is that there are 20 smokes in a box in Holland while there are only 17 here in Germany.

    Quoting Andreas (Reply 14):
    1. A lot of people have "Schwellenangst"...that is, are afraid to enter such a place of sin

    Actually is it fun to watch people in a coffee shop because there are so many different kinds of people, normal Dutch guys, tourists from other European countries, people in suits, kids who just came from school/univerity, etc. So I can't understand that some people avoid these places and buy rather on the street.

    Quoting ZakHH (Reply 15):
    But if you go to Holland, buy the same amount of weed from a somewhat trustworthy coffee shop, and bring this weed to Germany only for the purpose of own consumption, you will be accused of drug smuggling (if you are caught, of course).

    In most cases does the Federal Border Guard not care, at least when you are crossing the border to NRW.

    Quoting Rlwynn (Reply 16):
    I am pretty paranoid about this whole smuggling thing so I am pretty careful.

    It depends on your apperance mostly. You don't have to worry when you cross the border in a "normal" car (not in a pimped Golf III with Bob Marley stickers all around) and when there are "normal" people in the car (not people in a hip-hop outfit along with Selcuk and Mustafa on the back seats). A few friends (among them one Turk and one Italian guy) and I have crossed the border so often, even on Friday or Saturday night, but the BGS never stopped us and searched our car.

    Venlo is also a problem because of the A40 which is pretty full on every time of the day, it is better when you visit other Dutch cities with access to the A31 which is always pretty empty, there is a very little chance that the BGS will stop you once you entered the Autobahn because everyone is going with super high-speed there which brings additional fun (that is the reason why we always borrowed our parents' cars when we went to Holland).

    Quoting Andreas (Reply 14):
    but close to the border, like Venlo or so, there were undercover policemen checking the coffeeshops, sometimes taking down the numbers of car plates of people who clearly bought more than the usual dose for your plaasure...and then upon re-entrance made their arrest...it happened quite a a few times.

    That is true, thus you should park your car away from any coffee-shop.

    Quoting ZakHH (Reply 15):
    Anyway, next time you go to Holland for... err... refueling, give me a call...

    I will do that. I love day trips to Holland, not only because of a coffee shop visit but also because you can buy pretty cool drinks and food there. I love Chocomel, vanilla vla, the cookies filled with honey, Fanta Cassis, frikandel spezial, etc. Big grin

    Patrick


    User currently offlineBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

    Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
    I love Chocomel, vanilla vla, the cookies filled with honey, Fanta Cassis, frikandel spezial,

    Good taste  bigthumbsup 














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    User currently offlineMauriceb From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
    Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

    when you people are at AMS and you need a supplier.... just send me an email  Wink

    User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 547 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

    Ohh how I miss vla and stroopwaffels. Reminds me of my year spent in Leeuwarden.

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