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Why Is Being A Liberal So Bad?  
User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Logan22L's post in the end of the world thread has set me thinking, why, if being an extremist is such a bad thing that its worth spending millions on wars to kill them, is being a Liberal so bad?

Probably one for the yanks to answer.

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User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2436 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Thread starter):
Probably one for the yanks to answer.

I disagree - I think it is an international question - although it does depend on your definition of "liberal".

So I think that if people are going to discuss the merits of weaknesses of "liberalism" they should define it within their own context.

QFF


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

B/c we really don't mind the gays, women, or any minority group  sarcastic 

User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 1):
I disagree - I think it is an international question - although it does depend on your definition of "liberal".

True Jon but its the Americans who seem to have the most to say about it but don't let that stop you, I'm sure the Poms will say "Because they are useless lard-arses with no policies" or something along those lines  Smile


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 2):
B/c we really don't mind the gays, women, or any minority group

Don't you see the irony in your statement? In the same breath you can proclaim yourself as enlightened people who are civilized enough to accept all walks of life - gays, females, blacks, Hispanics, the poor, the underprivileged, etc... Yet at the same time totally stereotype an entire segment of society!

"We accept everyone... except for people who disagree with our political views"

-UH60


User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
"We accept everyone... except for people who disagree with our political views"

Doesn't sound like a party-specific statement to me.


User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

I guess I'm a liberal because I'm "left wing" on various social issues such as abortion and gay marriage. But does this a liberal make?

At the same time I believe that government has a responsibility not to interfere in the private lives of citizens (outside the basic civil and social responsibilities to those in need). This is a traditionally conservative opinion. Am I a conservative?

Is it possible to be a governmental conservative, a social liberal, and a believer in alternative forms of government (e.g: replacing monarchy with republic)?

Who is really qualified to say?

QFF


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9304 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

being a liberal is bad because it is a nasty nasty genetic flaw in Intelligunt Desine that spreads bad disease on our precious children such as "unions," "not-so-iron-hymen," "legacy children with mediocre grades," "a 50% mandate," "national endowment of the arts and sciences," "stem cell research," "using alternative energy sources," and "consumption of imported french vodka."

[Edited 2006-01-06 05:07:53]


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User currently offlineKevinl1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Definition: "Liberal", and from what angle or perspective?


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Being liberal isn't bad...conservatives are just scared of us, so they act like we're a virus instead of dealing with their own problems.  Wink

User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2370 times:

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 6):

Sounds like you're a liberal with some closet conservative leanings.

I used to be quite conservative, but mainly because I didn't expect my government to look after anything except the economy. In more recent years, as I have seen Govt's take some bizarre actions on behalf of their people, I have come around to the fact that maybe we should rely on them to consider moral and social factors in their policy making as well.

So, having been on both sides of the fence, I will have a crack at answering the thread, (beware there will be some generalization here):

Conservatives are often guided by their interpretations of religious principles. Therefore Liberals can be seen as "sinners". By this reasoning, liberals are not just wrong, they are evil, and must be crushed!!

Liberals, as the name would suggest, tend to be more outwardly spoken regarding their views. Therefore more prone to protest etc. This is easily viewed as public nuisance, rather than exercising democratic rights. Conservatives don't tend to use organised protest unless they get their golf privileges curtailed at the country club.

Liberals tend to sell themselves as hyper-intellectuals. I myself find this quite annoying. Every student studying political science thinks they are the first to discover the injustices of the world.

Conservatives believe that they have built society on sensible economic reform, instead of more touchy-feely things like the developing psychology and culture of society. Liberals "sponging" of this economic success annoys them as it is seen as undermining to the most important societal building block, (to them anyway), economic growth.

Shit, post too long, back to work!


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2362 times:

OK, having been referenced in the thread-starter, I have to define some things:

1. Liberal - one who is willing to accept change
2. Conservative - one who isn't; wants the status quo

Now, these definitions are completely ridiculous.

My position:

1. The same Healthcare for everyone - employers pay for it w/ gov't subsidies;
2. Anything bedroom-related is off limits to any laws, unless abuse is involved, of course;
3. Church is church, not politics;
4. There are no tax-exempt organizations, and taxes are a flat percentage of everyone's income. No exeptions, no confusion;
5. Gov't personnel (i.e., Congress) are on a volunteer basis. No salary, no pension. Social security will be fixed within 6 hours;
6. There is no Real Estate business. Housing is limited to primary, secondary or business properties. If you don't live there or work there, you cannot own it. Rental properties for students and people transient will be controlled by the gov't. Don't worry, I'll be in charge, and I will fire people who suck. Property prices will go down. No one who does nothing except have money will ever make more money because of their fortune ever again.
7. Insurance is abolished as we know it. My Gov't controls insurance, and all incompetent people are fired. Problems arise, and lawyers are appointed to fix them. Anyone filing a suit that is determined to be false is jailed for life. Insurance should protect us, not rape us, and anyone on a Board of Directors of an Insurance Company who makes money for being a lazy, rich MF, should look very closely in their rearview mirror.

My "gun" is out, and it's pointed in your general direction.

[Edited 2006-01-06 05:48:08]

User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2362 times:

The concept itself isn't bad, except in the mind of those scary few that truly believe an ordered society requires everyone think alike.

The term however, has become pejorative in American politics. There was a concerted effort by the Republicans, starting back in the 80s, to turn the term into something meaning anti-American, and for the most part they were succesful. Today one of the most damaging tags you can pin on someone is liberal. Even Kerry, a liberal Senator from a liberal state, found it necessary to try and disguise himself as a moderate. And since the ascendency of George W, far left extremist has been added to the anti-American connotation, making it a very potent weapon to be used against anybody not toeing the Republican line.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2358 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Thread starter):
if being an extremist is such a bad thing that its worth spending millions on wars to kill them, is being a Liberal so bad?

An extermist and a liberal are two totally different animals.

The spectrum usually goes:
- Radical
- Liberal
- Moderate
- Conservative
- Reactionary

What constitutes a liberal versus a conservative change from generation to generation. These days, a liberal and conservative believe in roughly the same end, but believe in different policy toward that end. No liberal in Congress believes the U.S. should be a Marxist state, but quite a few believe we need more attention to domestic issues like wages, enviornment, health care, etc.

Today, there are no radical, stable governments on friendly terms with the Western world. For different reasons, Iran and North Korea. Other figures like bin Laden are radical. They want a totally different end than mainstream society and will do anything (namely kill) to achieve it.

Because the stakes of human life are so high, I think the Western world not only should, but must, persue radical individuals and negotiate radical governments off the ledge.

---

One other thing:

Since modern "liberalism" began during the American/French Revolutions, liberal means to have a reasonable alternative. If I am a liberal revolutionary, I want to replace one government with another. Throughout the 18-19th century, this was monarchy to democracy. In the 20th century, democracy was the new "norm" and communism was the new "liberal" government. Communism has completly failed, and is now a totally discredited philosophy.

Thus, true liberals are dead. There is no reasonable form of society outside a capitalistic democracy or some variation thereof.

Radicals, however, do not have a reasonable alternative. Their end is unobtainable or unacceptable. Bin Laden's would be the destruction of 250 million Americans and millions of other westerners. That isn't what anyone would call a reasonable alternative to government. That doesn't stop them from trying... thus, steps must be taken to stop them.

[Edited 2006-01-06 05:35:25]

User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2347 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
Don't you see the irony in your statement? In the same breath you can proclaim yourself as enlightened people who are civilized enough to accept all walks of life - gays, females, blacks, Hispanics, the poor, the underprivileged, etc... Yet at the same time totally stereotype an entire segment of society!

"We accept everyone... except for people who disagree with our political views"

-UH60

In order for one group of people to separate themeslves from another group of people, it takes an opposition. Liberals cannot be liberals unless we have conservatives.

Bottom line, this country needs both liberals AND conservatives. Without such checks and balances, there'd be no true democoracy.

Political views are a very funamental thing to every person's philosphy. I'd say the real problem doesn't lie with a person's views, per se; it has more to do with the person's ability to understand their opponent's views. That's where the political battle is won.


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
Don't you see the irony in your statement? In the same breath you can proclaim yourself as enlightened people who are civilized enough to accept all walks of life - gays, females, blacks, Hispanics, the poor, the underprivileged, etc... Yet at the same time totally stereotype an entire segment of society!

I never claimed any of that, so aren't you generalizing as well?  Wink Joking aside, the topic is somewhat of a loaded question. If I have to "prove" that being liberal isn't bad, I have to gauge it against itself and other ideologies.

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 5):
Doesn't sound like a party-specific statement to me.

Pretty much.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2325 times:

Being Liberal isn't bad at all . . . . being Ignorant and Liberal is a tragedy.

The same is said for Conservatives. Being Conservative isn't bad at all. Being Ignorant and Conservative is a tragedy.

Having a closed mind on many issues can be said of both Liberals and Conservatives. That's worse than being Ignorant. At least one can teach the ignorant.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17369 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2314 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 11):
Gov't personnel (i.e., Congress) are on a volunteer basis.

You think people would voluntarily choose to be endlessly abused and sued?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDw9115 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 449 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2312 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 7):
being a liberal is bad because it is a nasty nasty genetic flaw in Intelligunt Desine that spreads bad disease on our precious children such as "unions," "not-so-iron-hymen," "legacy children with mediocre grades," "a 50% mandate," "national endowment of the arts and sciences," "stem cell research," "using alternative energy sources," and "consumption of imported french vodka."

This kind of comment is why far left liberals piss people off. You should look at what ANCFlyer said in reply 16.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 9):
Being liberal isn't bad...conservatives are just scared of us, so they act like we're a virus instead of dealing with their own problems.

You sholdn't point fingers until you deal with your own problems.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
Being Liberal isn't bad at all . . . . being Ignorant and Liberal is a tragedy.

The same is said for Conservatives. Being Conservative isn't bad at all. Being Ignorant and Conservative is a tragedy.

Having a closed mind on many issues can be said of both Liberals and Conservatives. That's worse than being Ignorant. At least one can teach the ignorant.

Great point.


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2293 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
You think people would voluntarily choose to be endlessly abused and sued?

This was the Founding Father's vision (i.e., free participation). I cannot speak for how times have changed. I have not been a part of that. I can only say that I have a vision for the future that encompasses fairness, not the status quo.


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2292 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 19):
This was the Founding Father's vision (i.e., free participation).

Heh, the Federalists and Anti-Federalists agreed on this?


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2280 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 11):
My Gov't controls insurance, and all incompetent people are fired.

Logan, can I be your Chief Socialist Actuary?  Smile



But that was when I ruled the world
User currently offlineDrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting Dw9115 (Reply 18):
This kind of comment is why far left liberals piss people off.

I'm sure that kind of comment does piss conservatives off. On the other hand, the groups of people referred to in the comment piss liberals off.

If, hypothetically speaking, you're a conservative and I'm a liberal, why should I believe it is worse for me to piss you off than it is for you to piss me off? (And vice-versa...)

-DrDeke



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9304 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting Dw9115 (Reply 18):

This kind of comment is why far left liberals piss people off. You should look at what ANCFlyer said in reply 16.

yes people on the right side tend to get a little uneasy about the things i mentioned.

oh, and there is no ignorance when the truth is involved. but nice try, doll.



Eternal darkness we all should dread. It's hard to party when you're dead.
User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5491 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 6):
Is it possible to be a governmental conservative, a social liberal, and a believer in alternative forms of government (e.g: replacing monarchy with republic)?

Yep, what you describe sounds almost as if you are... yes, it definitely *is* that you are thinking for yourself.

Beats pigeon-holing, don't it?



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
25 AerospaceFan : It's best to think for yourself. Which, I think, makes it seem slightly ridiculous that if you're a feminist organization, you can claim to speak for
26 Post contains images Jafa39 : Just a crazy mixed-up kid! Reason enough in itself!! If only...... They still going?? Thats the gays and women out on the streets then! Can you have
27 Andreas : Now that's horrible, I mean REALLY horrible, no matter if you're a liberal or a conservative or a lesbian jewish dachshund-breeding single mother fro
28 STLGph : hey, I don't have a problem with french imported vodka, but Fox news told me otherwise. well, isn't this the wish for everybody? it seems one of the
29 Post contains images Andreas : Well I do!!! And I don't need Fox to tell me that! Yes, of course, but in fact many people are using all their intellectual energy and abilities to d
30 QANTASFOREVER : Well, gosh - darn it, I think you're right. Ironically - I run a political lobbying group. lol Perhaps we should have a lobby group that campaigns on
31 Post contains images Andreas : I'd be happy to take the German franchise and work real hard...see my posts above!
32 Braybuddy : American liberals need to re-claim the word in a positive context the way blacks did with nigger and gays with queer.
33 STLGph : and conservatives dont? problem is...you've got both liberal and conservative on both sides with different degrees. it's like ordering a steak. eight
34 Pyrex : So true... in the US the word is used to attack people on the left, in Portugal it is used to attack people on the right.
35 Post contains images Andreas : And in Germany it is used to attack people in the "middle" Sounds like a perfect job for masochists of all political colours
36 767Lover : This terrifies me. First, there are people who can afford to pay their own healthcare (like myself) and so I don't need the gov wasting its resources
37 Post contains images MidnightMike : I would not say that being a Liberal is bad, but, why are most people afraid to admit that they are a Liberal?
38 AerospaceFan : Hollywood actors might not be. George Clooney just said something to the effect that he's a proud liberal.
39 Wingman : I like the rsponse by QFF, some policy positions may make one liberal and others may make one conservative. The one thing I'll say about the US is tha
40 Post contains images FXramper : Why is being a college conservative so bad? The bashing I got for being pro-life and having a silly sticker (W04) on my car. Isn't it my right as a ta
41 A332 : Right... and probably well deserved because it comes down to the choice of the individual involved and not you... I don't understand why right-winger
42 767Lover : I forgot to add to my earlier rebuttal: Do you have any idea how much $$ the government would lose in property taxes if the government owned most of
43 Logan22L : Prices would go down and the people would own the real estate - for the purposes living and/or working there, not for the purpose of sitting on your
44 SlamClick : The same thing that is wrong with being a conservative except in a different flavor. Both sides, both political parties are a sideshow intended to kee
45 Scamp : Being a liberal isn't bad at all. Unless, of course, you are rabidly conservative. The bad thing about government being in charge of a lot of things i
46 Dw9115 : You do have a good point. How do you know that what you say is the truth? You should try and listen to what people are saying and gather all the fact
47 Zippyjet : Because a lot of the media and the current administration and Congress have done a masterful job of propaganda and manipulation. Equating liberals wit
48 Post contains images DrDeke : I wish that this could be the case, but I do not believe that there are enough resources in the world at the current time to make this happen for eve
49 STLGph : well, you're getting all pissy about it now aren't ya? score another.
50 Post contains images Jafa39 : That is so very true of NZ as our last election map showed, farmers = Blue, Jafas = Red That would be a first for any a.netter on non-av, myself incl
51 Falcon84 : Many are afraid for one reason: because the Gingrichs and Limbaughs of this nation have done a masterful job in perverting and bastardizing the meani
52 Dw9115 : Most liberals claim to listen to what people have to say and gather the info and make a good decision based on that but you just seemed to be interes
53 STLGph : no, i am just pointing out that you're entirely wasting your time trying to piece apart an entire bit of parody and sarcasm.
54 Gilligan : Yes, they're called "Moderates" and in survey after survey that's what most Americans call themselves although when pushed they almost always lean to
55 Dw9115 : Interesting you would say that now that things are not going your way you were just joking around interesting how things seem to work out your way an
56 767Lover : And how does this stop everyone from going to the doctor every time they have a bump? Or taking medicine (which half the time they don't need) just b
57 QANTASforever : What you've said is kinda true here as well. Almost all inner-city residents are extremely rich yet vote liberally. Some areas around Sydney (the wes
58 UH60FtRucker : But here's the thing: Liberals are very proud of their "openness" and "acceptance for others." In the 90's the Democratic Party self-titled themselve
59 Gilligan : Liberal, conservative, makes no difference. Both sides use their respective labels for one thing, the acquisition of power. Neither side is happy as l
60 Jafa39 : Are the opposition proud of their closedness and non-acceptance of others? I'm not taking the piss, I just wonder if there is a certain degree of hyp
61 UH60FtRucker : I don't know. But lets face it, Republicans really don't try and be the party of the "disenfranchised." I don't know how they can be hypocrites when
62 KiwiinOz : I don't think they would call it that. They would say they were proud of their steady, measured approach and their commitment to uphold the values an
63 Post contains links Cairo : This is true all over the western world. (Europe and those countries who have a European heritage). Europe has 4 times the populatin density of Ameri
64 Jafa39 : True, that is the truth i was seeking.
65 Post contains images RAMPRAT980 : Being a republican/conservative I personally don't equate being liberal with bad. But there are those on the left who push the envelope when they are
66 Ctbarnes : I really hate political labels, but these are just too good to pass up: Conservitives don't read and liberals don't think. Or, A liberal becomes a con
67 Texan : True liberals do. They know there is a need for debate and difference of opinion, that Conservatives/Republicans/Democrats are good people. They just
68 Braybuddy : There's always an urban/rural divide on this, but even here in rural areas you don't have the hard-nosed conservatism (and I'm talking about Bible Be
69 AerospaceFan : About the diversity issue, I don't know if you can blame Democrats for not having conservatives. For whatever reason, liberals gravitate toward the De
70 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Logan22, while I'd still consider you a sociopolitical lunatic-- your views aren't nearly as insane as I was first lead to believe! (PS, that's a comp
71 767Lover : Hey, self-employed person here. I pay for my own coverage, and it's not that big of a deal. You shop around and agree to a little higher deductible a
72 ConcordeBoy : no need to explain that to me... I was arguing on behalf of those strong enough to get out there and do it on their own.
73 YVRtoYYZ : Ask LibTurdSlayer why liberals are so evil. -YVRtoYYZ
74 JGPH1A : It doesn't - that's what happens in France (and it's VERY expensive on the poor old contribuable ! They're trying to rationalise the system a little
75 Dougloid : Anyone who makes less than $100,00 a year is a Democrat whether he knows it or not.
76 YOWza : I'm a through and through liberal but I'm voting conservative in the upcoming Canadian election becasue the liberal party in this country is a shamble
77 Dougloid : Whoa there fella....that kinda talk is likely to get you mugged by your fellow Europeans-and then the 110 % Amurricuns would wipe up what remains. Fa
78 ConcordeBoy : ...again, what about those brave enough to not need an employer? Why do you types continually avoid that question??
79 Post contains images Ctbarnes : I guess that makes me a Democrat since I may way, way less than $100k. Charles, SJ PS: Dear Hillary...
80 RAMPRAT980 : Well I made 101k last year so I have some breathing room. If need be I guess i'll cash in those nickle deposits. Honey. Get the car ready. Tomorrow i
81 Post contains images IceTitan447 : I think the problem with America is Answers like the one above. Liberals have typically flocked to democrats because they promise to help and take ca
82 Falcon84 : And visa-versa. What i get from that is you thing conservatives are almost always right. They're not. Actually, I see it as the other way around, to
83 ConcordeBoy : ...or if you're a member of the Lucky Cumshot Club, you deserve to keep pie that you never baked. (I'm not arguing this, just stating it)
84 Post contains images IceTitan447 : I wouldn't say the almighty dollar. Maybe the almighty Savior. No compassion for other human beings? No, I don't think our welfare system works. I do
85 Falcon84 : Another myth: that liberals can't be God-fearing. I am. Although in the faith I grew up in, we were taught not to fear God, just the opposite. But yo
86 IceTitan447 : You have it all wrong. How did you mis interpret this? Joh 9:31 But we know that God does not hear sinners; but if any one be God-fearing and do his
87 LesMainwaring : That's the only bad thing about being a liberal is the snow job that has been done on the name. ... The Lester Mainwaring Party ... Proud to be a lib
88 ConcordeBoy : ...and for those pregnant women who did not decide to have sex, i.e., rape victims?
89 IceTitan447 : You gave such a liberal excuse. The % of women being raped, and raped by family members is less than 5% I believe. How do you account for this? Do yo
90 Logan22L : Sorry, I thought this thread had died. In my vision, everyone gets the same healthcare, employed, unemployed, self-employed. It's run by the governme
91 Bhill : Kinda like owning a Harley...If ya gotta ask, ya don't "get it"....plus...toss in the "Golden Rule".... SPQR.... B
92 Post contains images 767Lover : What the aspiring writer means to say is, "The money THAT doesn't go to other programs...." (Sorry, Log, I just couldn't resist!
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