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Why Was Isreal Set Up With The Current Borders?  
User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11793 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Why was Isreal set up with the current boarders? How did Isreal come to be and how much was the United States really involved in the formation of Isreal?

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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

Ummmmmmmmmmm, they had that class in high school....what was it? Oh.....world history, that's what it was.

User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11793 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Yes, we had world history, but we never touched on Isreal except to say that it was set up in 1948. That is the extent of my Isreali history.

GO CANUCKS!!



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

This one should be fun.....Out of curiousity, why do you ask?

Quoting Seb146 (Thread starter):
Why was Isreal set up with the current boarders?

In a nutshell, when Israel was declared as a state on a small portion of Palestine, the Arabs declared war and in the ensuing war, Israel expanded its size by about 50% and the Arab refugee crisis began. Israel also lost 1% of its already small population in that war. In the 1967 war, Israel again expanded its borders when the Arabs attacked.

Quoting Seb146 (Thread starter):
How did Isreal come to be and how much was the United States really involved in the formation of Isreal?

The United States recognized Israel minutes after it was formed...But had very little to nothing to do with its actual formation. The US didn't begin selling arms to Israel until the 1960s, and the "special relationship" didn't heat up until the 1970s and 1980s.

Many American citizens, including Frank Sinatra, were involved in helping the formation of Israel...But the American government didn't do much.


User currently offlineCoTXDFW777AA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

wikipedia it

(filler)



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181, approved in 1947.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/partition.html



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 2):
Yes, we had world history, but we never touched on Isreal except to say that it was set up in 1948. That is the extent of my Isreali history.

Hmmmmmm....well, there's google that will take you to several hundred thousand websites with something important to say on the subject, try searching Israel+history. Then there's Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia which has some good information on the subject. There's also Amazon which lists no less than three scholarly texts under the subject of Israel history.

A History of Israel -- by John Bright; Paperback (Rate it)
Buy new: $23.07 -- Used & new from: $17.47
2. Israel: A History -- by Martin Gilbert; Hardcover (Rate it)
Buy new: $19.80 -- Used & new from: $16.00
3. A History of Israel : From the Rise of Zionism to Our Time (Second Edition, Revised and Updated) -- by Howard M. Sachar; Paperback (Rate it)
Buy new: $18.90 -- Used & new from: $15.00

Last but certainly not least there's the public library system, supported by your tax dollars. I betcha the nearest branch of your library has a copy of Leon Uris' "Exodus" and it's worth a read if you have any real interest at all in the subject.

Your city has a couple pretty good university libraries as well, I should imagine that have even more detail.

But yet you chose to post this in the non aviation related section of a chat site.

Why do I get the feeling that you're trying to stir up something?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

I've never heard of a country called Isreal.  Big grin

User currently offlineJoge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1444 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
I've never heard of a country called Isreal.

Seems it's not real in the first place...  Wink



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User currently offline808TWA From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 701 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
I've never heard of a country called Isreal.

Or it's current "boarders"  Wink  Wink



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 9):
Or it's current "boarders

Isreal must be protected by a bunch of 2x4's.  

[Edited 2006-01-09 21:22:28]

User currently offline808TWA From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 701 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
Isreal must be protected by a bunch of 2x4's.

If Israelites are "boarders" does this mean they are renting from Palestine??

 Wink



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 11):
If Israelites are "boarders" does this mean they are renting from Palestine??

Who wants to be the next in line to try and serve an eviction notice?


User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

I'm sorry I miss the humor. Since the Muslims seem to make the distinction of Muslims/Jews-consider the amount of land possessed by the Muslims. They span from North Africa almost continuously to South East Asia. Yet some how they can't allow a little sliver of desert to be had by the Jews. Furthermore, I might add that in recent times there has been little Muslim contribution to humanity. Despite the constant adversity Israel has made many contributions to the world in science and technology. They are considered the smartest country, in the respect that they have the most Nobel Prizes relative to their population.

User currently offline808TWA From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 701 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 13):
I'm sorry I miss the humor.

The humour was in the grammar/spelling and not intended as political



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User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 2):
Yes, we had world history, but we never touched on Isreal except to say that it was set up in 1948. That is the extent of my Isreali history.

GO CANUCKS!!

You must have skipped that class.

It also appears you skipped English quite frequently.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Okay way too subtle everyone.

Here's the deal:

It is spelled

ISRAEL


And
B-O-R-D-E-R-S define a nation's land area.
BOARDERS rent a room.



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Isreal??????????????????

Do you mean ISRAEL?


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21855 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Quoting Joge (Reply 8):
Seems it's not real in the first place...

Of course Israel is real. Big grin

-Mir



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User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 13):
Yet some how they can't allow a little sliver of desert to be had by the Jews

You should look into the Muslim history, what importance does this "silver desert" have? What is the Al-Aqsa mosque? What is the Dome of Rock? Why do Muslims and Jews fight over it?

The net can easily provide you with answers, most of what you will get here will be biased towards the Jews or Muslims.

I would not discuss this on Anet if I were you, this will most probably turn into a Israel Vs Palestine thread and get locked.



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 19):
I would not discuss this on Anet if I were you, this will most probably turn into a Israel Vs Palestine thread and get locked.

I think the O/P is a troll and the only question is WHEN will this thread be killfiled?


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 19):
What is the Al-Aqsa mosque? What is the Dome of Rock?

Has Israel ever blocked access to these places to Muslims?



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 20):
I think the O/P is a troll and the only question is WHEN will this thread be killfiled?

How silly. Two of the three questions were answered in my Reply #5, the United Nations setup the state of Israel and determined its borders. That is factual and not up for debate.

If people want to make this into something that it's not, only to get this thread killed, then they should be banned for attempting it.



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User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 21):
Has Israel ever blocked access to these places to Muslims?

Yes.



The Truth is Out There ---- Face It!!!!!
User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 23):
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 21):
Has Israel ever blocked access to these places to Muslims?

Yes.

Were the environs of the Al Aqsa Mosque (in particular, the wall of the old temple) denied to observant Jews?


25 Sean1234 : Indeed, there are religiously significant locations meaning their real value is none other than for faith. The issue here is a place to exist. I gues
26 SlamClick : Well, I was hoping that whoever answered would elaborate a little bit. Perhaps I should have been more specific. I really mean did the government of
27 Post contains links Emirates773ER : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Mount http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque The issue is of great religious importance and not merely a plac
28 FOMEA : No, Nice try though.......... Regards F-OMEA.
29 Sean1234 : There is no proof that anything in your faith is in fact reality, therefore you have no ground on which to hold your principles. Do you ever wonder to
30 Jean Leloup : They're not the only ones, it seems. Don't you see that your own beliefs (about Islam or anything else, for that matter), shouldn't be accepted by ev
31 Dougloid : Concur. Theology does not seem to be your strong point. That's the thing about faith that makes it faith-it's incapable of the kind of direct proof t
32 Post contains images GREATANSETT : SEAN1234-I would love for you to maintain that kind of attitude when part of the United States is taken and given to the Red Indians. And what if that
33 UH60FtRucker : I remember my grandfather once told me this story... some of you might have already heard it... There once was a little girl who had a teacher named M
34 Sean1234 : I don't disagree; Interesting point. What if the Natives engaged in suicide bombings to take back their lands? Say the Navajos want a sacred ground b
35 Emirates773ER : You my friend need to learn a chapter in respect.
36 Sean1234 : Intellectually, I cannot respect any person that follows a religious dogma.
37 Damirc : Here we go again. I'll bite - but only because there is also another side to this story. The great plan of the Zionists (to create Israel in it's bibl
38 AeroWesty : I think genocide is a bit of a strong word to use if the movement of refugees didn't consist of the wholesale slaughter of a culture/people.
39 Alessandro : Well, Palestine (Eretz Israel) was a British mandate until 1948 and when the British left Israel was founded. There was a jewish minority in Palestine
40 Emirates773ER : Then do not force your opinions us as well.[Edited 2006-01-10 06:11:07]
41 RJpieces : Using the word genocide to describe the Palestinians is just pathetic...And it weakens the word for the few times when it should be properly used. I
42 Sean1234 : I think you guys are looking for "ethnic cleansing."
43 Damirc : Genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group. Which part is pathetic, please? Yes. And Iraq had plee
44 BA : Do you get the History Channel? There's a good documentary they made about the USS Liberty. You should watch it.
45 RJpieces : Look, dance around the word all you want. But to compare the Holocaust, and countless other genocides since then, most recently in Africa, to the pli
46 Post contains links BA : Wow Rjpieces....way to go in dodging the point. It's so typical of you. You make it sound like Arab-Americans are very politically active. Well they'
47 FOMEA : To me, It sounds like the History channel is trying to destroy the US-Israel Relationship. Regards F-OMEA.
48 Dtwclipper : Sean, Whilst I don't often agree with Emirates773ER, I do here. You have really crossed the line of poor taste. It was one thing to question in order
49 Pyrex : The jews could have founded Israel in a lot of different places but yet they chose that one for what? Faith. It's a two-way street the one you're goi
50 LY7E7 : How about historic connections the the country of origin from which they were expelled by the Romans? (Not saying that the faith had nothing to do wi
51 Dougloid : That means you can't respect most of the world. Find another axe to grind. Religious baiting will not get you anywhere in this world. You disagree wi
52 Post contains images FOMEA : Way to go Dtwclipper.. Regards F-OMEA.
53 Damirc : Ah. Condemned in the important circles of the society. Would that be a society of a particular religious denomination perhaps? (or do you just wish t
54 Post contains images Emirates773ER : I am impressed by you Dtwclipper!
55 Dougloid : True. Marc Reisner has said that the central fact of the American West is water-there's not enough of it. So too with the middle east. Ultimately con
56 Vc10 : Damirc, I thought your initial reply was well presented, with the facts as you believe them to be, nicely laid out. Whether I agree with them all is a
57 Pyrex : I honestly don't know if you are being sarcastic or not so I will try to give a serious answer. I usually appreciate your posts very much so I'm sorr
58 RJpieces : All I'm saying is that it might be acceptable to call the Palestinian plight a genocide far away from Slovenia...But you would never hear it in the U
59 LY7E7 : You , again, are conviniently diregarding historical facts (and don't read others posts)
60 Dougloid : Not sarcastic at all. All commentary honestly given is respected and appreciated. The dialogue's the thing-as long as we're talking we're not fightin
61 Dougloid : I believe he meant it literally. At least that's the takehome I got from reading Cadillac Desert.
62 Pyrex : I was just trying to understand what Dougloid was saying, as it seemed a bit confusing. I read you're response to my original post but I didn't reply
63 RJpieces : There is water in many places in the Middle East, and the conflict has very little to nothing to do with water.
64 Post contains links Dougloid : It's the subscript to every dispute in the region, when you strip away matters of faith. Take a look at water wars http://www.mideastnews.com/WaterWa
65 Avi : To understand Israel borders today you really have to learn some history. I will not go too far back in time. For hundreds of years the entire area w
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