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The Bias And Failures Of Islam  
User currently offlineIbhayi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

With Eed coming tomorrow for many Muslims I realised the bias and failures of their religion to tolerate others, whom have different sexual choices and choose to believe in different ideas.

As far as my knowledge is correct one can not erect a Church of Schul in Saudi Arabia, mosques are built in the US, Britain and many other countries.

Non Muslims are not allowed into Mecca, however a Muslim is welcome to see the Vatican and welcome in Christian Churches.

A woman traveling to Muslim states most notably Saudi Arabia has to cover her self up, yet in Britain when a school told a girl to remove her head scarf she took them to the courts and the courts ruled in her favour. Now this is where my confusion lies? In a Muslim country we need to abide by their rules although in a Christian country there rules apply again and not that of the relevant country?

Many claim their religion is above the law and your allowed to assault ur wife, in return she can tell her husband he has to pray 5 times a day.

It's great to eat McDonald's, wear Nike shoes but America is the devil?

The ideas of banning the consumption of Coke and other American products at the initial stages of the Iraq war was short lived. Besides the founders of Coke when I last heard where all for bombing Iraq and so was Coke as a company. They started drinking it again shortly after they realised it isn't that bad.

A man may commit adultery a woman is sentenced to death and executed in the following manner. Buried in the ground with only her head above the ground and rocks thrown at her till she is dead. Im sorry I don't see the quality in that.

With the recent actions of a Danish newspaper came one of the best responses from whom I assume to be the Prime Minister. He said we subscribe to freedom of speech and press as a nation and therefore I will take no action. If they don't like it don't live in Denmark, believe they would have little tolerance in Saudi Arabia for cries by Christian and Jews if a similar event happened.

My thoughts.

P.S. A very close friend of mine is a Muesli (as he says) and he doesn't subscribe to such mad ideas.

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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Man, I think you are just itching for a fight tonight.

I would suggest deletion before it gets out of hand!

True, it's an interesting topic of conversation, but it can not be adressed here in a civilized fashion! We are all too bigoted in one way or another, and this will just turn into a shouting match and flying insults!


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Why delete? I think he makes some terrifically insightful points. Let it ride.

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Why delete? I think he makes some terrifically insightful points

I agree that he makes some interesting points, but it will get ugly.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting Ibhayi (Thread starter):
My thoughts.

I think you make some excellent points. I look forward to some of our muslim members answering.

I just hope you haven't earned yourself a fatwa  Wink


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1):
We are all too bigoted in one way or another

Speak for yourself.

As with many things, it is the extremists that ruin it for the masses. It sickens me when I see couples walking through the street, the man dressed in a polo shirt and khaki shorts, and the women completely covered up; to hear stories of American servicewomen in Saudi Arabia having to cover up to abide to their ridiculous demands; to learn of all the Middle Eastern women who are executed for a relatively trivial offense, while men walk free for the same offense. There is something seriously wrong with these cultures, and there is no solution in sight. And oil is certainly not helping.

Harry



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User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Quoting Ibhayi (Thread starter):
Muesli

What is that?



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User currently offlineIbhayi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Muesli, sorry miss spelled the type of breakfast. Also known as a Muslim.


As with all faiths there is extrematism, however it seems that there are muslim extramatists that others or their actions are more destructive and more hatefull than others. Eg. The suicide bombings and blowing up holiday destinations in the East. Not many Christian suicide bombers lurking around that have grabbed international news headlines.

The extramatism in this case covers an entire country not just a small section of the population.


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Quoting Ibhayi (Thread starter):
P.S. A very close friend of mine is a Muesli (as he says) and he doesn't subscribe to such mad ideas

I know a lot of those, there are a lot of them where i'm from!!
I am Middle Eastern (Catholic) and I gotta tell you... YOU ARE 100% right...

I'm looking forward for this Thread..

Did you also know that a Muslim Male can divorce his wife simply by saying (Inti Tale'e) which means you are divorced; 3 times... while women cannot do that to men unless they have what is known as the (ismat) which is basically the power!


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Quoting Ibhayi (Thread starter):
With Eed coming tomorrow for many Muslims I realised the bias and failures of their religion to tolerate others, whom have different sexual choices and choose to believe in different ideas.



The same can probably be said about many other religions and races and tolerance of such things as; gay marriages, mixed marriages, sunday shopping. Remember apartheid? Black and white segregation.


OK. Moslems aren't meant to drink alcohol are they?

My wife used to be a teacher in Ilford, near London, and she was told that the place was to be avoided during Eid because the place would be full of drunk asians "celebrating."

I worked in Malaysia for a while and some of the moslems drank alcohol there.

A friend of my wife's knew someone who worked as a chambermaid in one of the hotels in London and the Saudi Arabian visitors were notorious for going completely off the rails once they'd left the clutches of the Sharia police back home.


Most Moslems I have met have been the nicest, kindest people you could hope to meet and they have been from all over... Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Syria, both men and women. They have generally been students, so perhaps at a better level of education than others who could be more easily led into more extreme behaviours. I have even received Christmas cards from moslem students, something that's probably at best frowned upon by the more staunch adherents of the religion.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

I dont think Islam is responsable for the majority of the issues in the thread starters post, I think its people thats responsable.

The Christian Bible has its fair share of horrific things, including summary execution for specific crimes, and yet noone takes any notice of them. The same goes for most muslim countries. But then you have the fundamentalist countries, which, because they always make the headlines, are the ones you always think about.

Im not religious so Im fairly neutral in this, but I did some googling for another thread and this url came in handy - I think its wise to post here again:

http://www.muslim-answers.org/Introducing-Islam/miscons.htm


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 9):
OK. Moslems aren't meant to drink alcohol are they?

No.. It's (muharram) which means Forbidden!


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 10):
The Christian Bible has its fair share of horrific things, including summary execution for specific crimes, and yet noone takes any notice of them. The same goes for most muslim countries. But then you have the fundamentalist countries, which, because they always make the headlines, are the ones you always think about.

Yes, but how many of these "horrific things" are carried out in the present day? How many people do you see executed or killed in the name of Christianity?

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2593 times:
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You make some valid some points, ones which i agree with. Some muslims are just not tolerant of people of other faiths and cultures, which is sad. But ofcourse it is a loud minority who make their religion look bad, as RichardPrice said, it is not Islam at fault, it is some of the people who follow the religion. It is these people who interpret parts of Islam to suit their ideas and ideology. Nowhere does it say in Islam that you should beat your wife, nowhere does it say that a muslim should should be intolerant or show disrespect to followers of other faiths. Infact it is the opposite, a decent muslim will at all times show respect to their neighbour, their fellow human being. It is all a matter of how you interpret things, one can interpret quotes from the Quran in a number of different way.

Quoting Ibhayi (Thread starter):
The ideas of banning the consumption of Coke and other American products at the initial stages of the Iraq war was short lived. Besides the founders of Coke when I last heard where all for bombing Iraq and so was Coke as a company. They started drinking it again shortly after they realised it isn't that bad.

Who is "they"? A small number of narrow-minded individuals don't speak for the rest of Islam, and i certainly have not come across any muslim who's stopped drinking coke. That's not to say some muslims have not boycotted American products after the invasion of Iraq, they have. These things happen which are highlighted in the media, and unfortunately some people fall into the trap of believing muslims are all hypocrites who see America as evil but continue to drink coke, wear Nikes and eat big macs. And besides, it's been pointed out many times, muslims are deeply suspicious of American policies and motives, but they love the country and what it stands for.

Quoting Ibhayi (Thread starter):
A woman traveling to Muslim states most notably Saudi Arabia has to cover her self up, yet in Britain when a school told a girl to remove her head scarf she took them to the courts and the courts ruled in her favour. Now this is where my confusion lies? In a Muslim country we need to abide by their rules although in a Christian country there rules apply again and not that of the relevant country?

Absolutely agree, when in Rome, do as the Romans do, which leads me to the point about the difference in freedom, justice and equality between Saudi Arabia and Britain (example). The Saudi's live in a strict and hardline environment, bordering on extremism, not much different from the Taliban. Saudi Arabia is a poor example of basing your views on Islam and muslims, they do no favours to the reputation to other muslim states. Look at Malaysia, Tunisia, the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Lebanon and Oman, they are far more free, open minded and forward thinking while the Saudi's live in the dark ages.

But yeah, i can relate to your thoughts on some of your points made.



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User currently offlineIbhayi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

I have chatted to many "liberal" muslims, who love their Nike, McDonalds and they informed me it was written that a man can hit his wife, I based it on that.
I am infact seeing her tomorrow and her husband, whom I really like and I will seek clarity from them on the issue. Incidentally they were the one snot eating McDonalds not drinking Coke.

I went with them to mosque once and found it quite interesting. It was just after the invasion of Iraq and there was a large number of muslims there boycotting American products, as with the never ending protestors outside the US embassy.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

There are numerous Muslim nations in which other houses of worship exist and are tolerated. These include Pakistan, Bangla Desh, Indonesia, Malaysia, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Turkey. The list goes on.

Focusing on a nut house like Saudi Arabia (a nation that we have essentially helped keep intact) doesn't help your argument. Islamic fundamentalism and Saudi Arabia are intrinsically linked, and do the religion a great disservice.


User currently offlineFOMEA From Lebanon, joined Jul 2005, 849 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Typical Islamophobia!

let me get this straight:
Of all Muslim countries of the world, you pick no other than Saudi Arabia, you erect it as a role model of what & Islam is!
Why don't Lebanese, Bosnian, Emaratis or even Turkish Muslims apply such practices in your opinion!

Should I consider Christians blood suckers, because of the German Nazi era!
Or in relation to the subject, did the church practices during the medieval times meant that Christianity as a whole was responsible for these actions!!!

Saudi Arabia is ruled by the Saudi family, which is allied with the Wahabi wing of Islam!
Wahabism is the most extreme branch of Salafi Sunni Islam.
Thanks to continuous American support, the suadi family had ruled the kingdom with an Iron fist, shutting up any voice for change or questioning of the practices of the wahabists in fear of their rule!!!

Suadi Arabia is indeed a medieval country, even by Muslim standards!!!
But the blame should be to the exception, please do not generalize on all of Islaml!



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Well said, FOMEA.

In the US (I certainly can't speak for other places), most Americans can barely get themselves to learn about their own country, let alone a foreign civilization. To the average Texan, New York is an evil, sinful place. How then can you expect such a person to understand the cultural complexities of Lahore, Beirut or Istanbul?


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 16):
Of all Muslim countries of the world, you pick no other than Saudi Arabia, you erect it as a role model of what & Islam is!

So I went out and bought a copy of the Quran - in English.

The introduction said that many of the words they found it necessary to use in the translation were not exact equivalents. Okay fair enough. That happens. It went on to say that to understand the meaning you would not only have to read it in Arabic, but would have to have grown up in the Arabian Peninsula and the culture there to get the true meaning.

Now if that introduction by a Muslim scholar is correct then perhaps the best possible understanding of the culture of Islam is to be gained by study of how those people behave within their own country.

What do you think?



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User currently offlineFOMEA From Lebanon, joined Jul 2005, 849 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 18):
So I went out and bought a copy of the Quran - in English.

The introduction said that many of the words they found it necessary to use in the translation were not exact equivalents. Okay fair enough. That happens. It went on to say that to understand the meaning you would not only have to read it in Arabic, but would have to have grown up in the Arabian Peninsula and the culture there to get the true meaning.

Now if that introduction by a Muslim scholar is correct then perhaps the best possible understanding of the culture of Islam is to be gained by study of how those people behave within their own country.

pWhat do you think?

I am not sure I understand your question, could you elaborate!
Also, What do you mean by the culture of Islam!




Anyway,
The Quran, according to Muslims, is not only a holy text!
All prophets of other religions sent by God, did miracles that fascinated people of their times!

Christianity claims that Jesus treated the blind, woke the dead, as apparently people at his time had many Illnesses!

Judaism claim that Moses did magic, by throwing his stick into a snake...etc, As the people of Egypt were fascinated with magic!

At Mohamad's time the Arabs of the dessert were fascinated with poetry, so Mohamad's miracle was the Quran. The Quran's poetry, structure, rythem & Composition impressed the Arabs to a degree that Mohamad's foes would block their ears in order not to be convinced!

So, due to the complication of the Quranic structure, the Translation is often weak(as any translation of a piece of literature is)!

Please also understand that the Quran contains many Historic tales, so quoting a paragraph without connecting it to the context of its surrounding is a mistake, and its unfortunately being abused by anti-Muslims!



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User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1415 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 19):
Please also understand that the Quran contains many Historic tales, so quoting a paragraph without connecting it to the context of its surrounding is a mistake, and its unfortunately being abused by anti-Muslims!

It is not being abused by anti-muslims, but by muslims themselves. Muslims believe that everything that needs to be said is in Qoran, and that scholars will interpret it with the times so other muslims will follow them. In fact, one of the pakistani member mentioned the same thing in one of the threads earlier. So what you have is a group of scholars interpreting Quran as they see fit as per current times. However the terrorists/jihadis too interpret the quran their way and hence feel justified in doing what they do. The same thing applies for S Arabia and many other islamic actions like stoning etc which many find repulsive now.

The main weakness of Islam as compared to other relegions is their following the koran to the T going with the interpretations of their favourite scholar. But other relegions like christianity, Jews and hindus don't literally base their lives on their relegious books. This weakness is what is exploited by various islamic leaders and jihadis for their own ends and hence the situation as it exists now.

BTW, of the 5 pillars of islam that every muslim has to follow to be a good muslim, there is no mention of not lying, not killing, not comitting adultery, being honest etc which many consider something basic to be a good human being. Why is none of these a pillar of islam? One can be a good muslim by praying 5 times a day, doing haj, giving charity, fasting and belief in allah only.


User currently offlineFOMEA From Lebanon, joined Jul 2005, 849 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Blrsea,
You said it yourself, its the interpretation of some Scholars (a small minority) that is abusing the Quran!!
Trust me, if a group of extremists wanted to abuse a certain text for meanings that satisfies & Justifies their goals, they will do it!

For, example, Pat Robinson always quotes the Bible for his satisfying, and if it wasn't for the enlightenment of other Christian Scholars & their followers , One Billion people will march to the valley of Kadesh for judgment day, LOL!!!(Note that the 200 year crusade war was sparked by similar reasons, interpreted from the Bible)

About the 5 pillars, well the name says it they are pillars!
Stealing, Killing, hurting Animals & even Over-Eating are explained in special verses, since they are Sub categories, in comparison to "believing in God' & "praying"

[Edited 2006-01-11 05:41:19]


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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Quoting Ibhayi (Thread starter):
It's great to eat McDonald's, wear Nike shoes but America is the devil?

These are not Islamic Beliefs. We have McDonalds in Pakistan and all
the Rich kids wear Nikes. These are the beliefs of Muslims who are
down on their luck and need some one to blame but them selves.

Quoting Ibhayi (Thread starter):
P.S. A very close friend of mine is a Muesli (as he says) and he doesn't subscribe to such mad ideas.

95% of "Mueslis" don't.

PIA777



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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 15):
There are numerous Muslim nations in which other houses of worship exist and are tolerated. These include Pakistan, Bangla Desh, Indonesia, Malaysia, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Turkey. The list goes on.

Exactly. I was watching PTV (Pakistan TV on Dishnetwork) during
the Christmas holiday and they have numerous shows on Christmas.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6770 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

This topic shouldn't really be titled "the bias and failures of Islam"... but "Do these intolerant people realise they're just shooting themselves in the foot?"

Which goes to both Muslims and non-Muslim extremists...
Islam is about 500yrs younger than Christianity. 500yrs ago Christianity went through a dark era... Both have had its share of idiots trying to run the show.

You're now not allowed to build churches in Saudi Arabia, that's because the state of Saudi Arabia has a state religion... Islam. This is very convenient because they can use either politics or religion to suppress dissent.. through one avenue or another or both. In the 1500s, would you dare to build a mosque Madrid or Rome? You'll be lucky if you weren't burnt at the stake! Even scientists came under inquisition...

Don't like what Saudi Arabia's doing? Simple... don't do business there, don't go there... don't tell your friends to go there. Save yourself aggravation. They are a sovereign state with their right to rule as they please (rightly or wrongly).

Indonesia is the world's most populous Islamic "state"... We have laws that prevent women from being forced to wear the veil, and also to prevent women from being forced NOT to wear the veil. We have Islamic societies donating for churches and Christian societies donating for Mosques. Here, religion is not above the law, it is equal at its highest. The state and the religious scholars (except for the few mad radicals) believe that being a responsible national citizen and a responsible citizen of God means everyone has to balance between their worldly lives and the hereafter.

Beware of those who preach wrong things... I can't remember which part, but...

"Beware yee My followers of those who claim to preach My words but are themselves unbelievers."

Even in the Qur'an... God has warned us beforehand that some will try and lead us the wrong way by abusing His name...

Mandala499

[Edited 2006-01-11 15:48:42]


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25 Cfalk : And don't forget to sell your gas guzzler and get a car that gets at least 30 or 40 MPG, and next time you buy or build a house, make sure it has a h
26 Jwenting : in which case the ugly responses should get removed, not the well thought out original post. None of those excesses are accepted and tollerated, Isla
27 Post contains images Mandala499 : When Muslims force their women into factual (if not actual) slavery everyone says that such is their culture and we should not think poorly of them be
28 ME AVN FAN : Churches are "in action" and new ones are built in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan Western women can travel to all Arab coun
29 Slider : You are so far outside the realm of reality, please wake me up when you come back to earth.
30 Newark777 : Doesn't make these people any less dangerous. No, not culture, they usually are not saying they have to destroy mosques due to Christianity. They are
31 ME AVN FAN : people in need of MEDICINE which is NOT prohibited --- but they for sure do NOT consult the nearest Imam as this theory of course is NOT watertight,
32 YOWza : I had quoted about 12 things the starter of this thread had written to pick apart. These ranged from things such as not understanding the seperation o
33 Post contains images Newark777 : Oh oh, he's offended, we all have to stop. Go smoke some weed and mellow out man. Harry
34 YOWza : Way ahead of you, already had a toke this morning. Nice to see you sticking up for your 16-20 year old friend, really cute if a little bigoted. YOWza
35 Post contains images Newark777 : You're only "21-25" yourself, nice to see you act all sophisticated. But I'm sorry, in those few extra years I'm sure you've gained a whole new perse
36 YOWza : Actually I don't look down on people younger than me. I took my A-levels in the UK when I was 16 (most take them at around 18) so I know being young
37 Kay : To Jaysit, FOMEA, Arsenal: A slight note regarding the repeated mentionning of Beirut. You should all go there, the nightclubs are wilder than many Gr
38 EA CO AS : The biggest reason I'm hopeful that alternative fuels will be developed and become plentiful is that I hope to live to see what happens when the one
39 Post contains images Scbriml : Would you expect a visitor to the US to obey US laws? Why does it pain you so that visitors to Saudi Arabia are expected to do the same? Respect for
40 ME AVN FAN : Messrs Karadzic and Mladic in the "Srebrenica-years" repeatedly, in English in front of Western TV correspondents, claimed to DEFEND CHRISTIANITY. Pe
41 BA : For the most part, I agree with you, but there are a few points I disagree with. While it is true that Lebanon was formed on the basis of a 50% Chris
42 Post contains links FOMEA : Where did you think i was from? I hope that wasnt Directed to me.... Take a look at this thread..Read carefuly Reply 17 RE: Sinai Peninsula: Asia Or
43 Post contains images Kay : Where do you think I was from? Greetings to all! Kay
44 Post contains images BA : Was???? Where are you two from now? Burkina Faso? I mean I know you both immigrated, so have I, but that doesn't change where I'm originally from.
45 QR332 : Holy crap... this is going to be ugly. If your talking about Islam, why are you talking about Saudi Arabia, a small part of the Muslim world? It is th
46 Post contains images FOMEA : I know you are 1/2 Lebanese and 1/2 ?????. Either way Ahlan.. Regards F-OMEA.
47 Newark777 : Yes, only the 32nd ranked university in the United States, oh Mr. Mensa child prodigy. Do not say anything about civilized nations when speaking of S
48 BA : Only two countries in the world require this, Saudi Arabia and Iran. And in the case of Saudi Arabia, it's not really the House of Saud ruling family
49 CO7e7 : It is, as far as diversity is concerned PALESTINE. I was born there, and i lived there for 23 years. Re-read it and if you don't understand it, i'll
50 Ibhayi : Saudi Arabia, is it not considered the holiest of the Islamic states? As for my age, I'm 20, 21 in less than two months. Your older and more intellige
51 QR332 : Great, so you and I are both Palestinians, but you are a Catholic, and I am a Muslim. A friend of mine is a Palestinian Catholic Christian from Bethl
52 Post contains images YOWza : I see you are studying engineering. I too studied engineering at a certain institution in Massachusetts. It's called MIT, you MAY have heard of it. I
53 Post contains images Newark777 : Haha, good for you. Do you want a prize? Harry
54 YOWza : I'm not saying I'm better than you because I went to a "better" college I just find it funny that you tried to imply you were smarter than me because
55 Post contains images Newark777 : You brought it up because you made fun of my university. I defended it, and you think I am somehow trying to prove something against you. Not every o
56 CO7e7 : You ask her! If something is HARAM then it is then the same thing can be called muharram. Besides i'm not an expert on Islamic terminology.. GAZA and
57 YOWza : You know what Newark777, I agree with very little of anything you say but at the end of the day you seem to have a good head on your shoulders so as
58 CO7e7 : 2 different perspectives, we'll never agree.. but I respect where you come from. I'm not going to argue with you about Palestine because this is off
59 Post contains images Newark777 : Hey, I have nothing against you, I just tend to get irritated by the "I went to Harvard, so I am better than you" arrogant folk, and came off as that
60 YOWza : I'd go to college in a strip mall before Harvard! You should meet my former roomie Ryan, you guys would have a lot to talk about. YOWza
61 QR332 : Gaza, definatley, but the West Bank, it is a minority. Have I personally been to Palestine? Nope, haven't had the chance. But loads of relatives and
62 CO7e7 : Amr, itsharaft bi ma3riftak! Welcome to my Respected User's List...
63 Scbriml : If you need to live or work in the country then you have no choice. While I don't condone the subjugation of women for one second, one has to respect
64 Post contains images Newark777 : Yeah, because if you don't, you'll be executed in public. Harry
65 Emirates773ER : A very interesting thread indeed, shows us a lot about how Islamophobia spreads among people intentionally.
66 Post contains images Mandala499 : No, not culture, they usually are not saying they have to destroy mosques due to Christianity. They are just a bunch of stupid teenagers. The Muslims
67 Post contains images TS-IOR : I apologize not to have enough time to read all the posts,so would be kind to summarize the points you want to be explained and i'll do my best to do
68 Post contains images Blrsea : Mandala499, good post. Many people forget that Indonesia is the country with the highest muslim population. But I guess the tolerance found there is n
69 Scbriml : If I remember correctly, the US still executes prisoners. Glass houses and all that?
70 ME AVN FAN : FEW Muslims try to defend Saudi Arabia. And most NON-Saudi Muslims prefer OTHER countries to go for work or pleasure, but for many there is no real c
71 Post contains images Slider : If Sun Tzu's ancient Chinese manuscripts can be reasonably translated into English, then so can Arabic. The motivations are curious, I must admit. Ye
72 Post contains images CO7e7 : It's because we're Palestinians... not a lot of us on A.net
73 Molykote : My reaction to this was "Why would someone not pick Saudi Arabia?" Isn't this the motherland of Islam? Vatican -> Catholicism Israel - > Judiasm Woul
74 Dougloid : Not quite the same thing. We do have courts and a system of judicial review that works after a fashion. By no means perfect but we're working on it.
75 CO7e7 : I've seen Videos of things like that in Afghanistan when the Taliban was in power.. I remember it was a soccer game, and the car pulled in to the mid
76 Arsenal@LHR : It's ironic isn't it? The birthplace of Islam is where the damage is now being done. Saudi Arabia is a poor example simply because they preach and pr
77 Post contains images Mandala499 : I don't know who these "many muslims" are, but none of the muslims members on A.net have defended the Saudi regime, infact we are a bigger critic of i
78 Emirates773ER : Because Saudi Arabia is not infact the holy place but Madinah and Mecca are, just like the Vatican city in Italy and Jerusalem in Israel.
79 PIA777 : "Muharram"?? Don't you mean Haram? Muharram is a month which is in 3 weeks. PIA777
80 CO7e7 : I know that!! but what i meant to say was MUHARRAMA.. Do you speak arabic ??? If you do.. here's my explanation: (sorry i cannot explain it in englis
81 ME AVN FAN : Is the USA like the Vatican ? Are US radio and TV stations like Radio Vatican ? Is the Pope governing the USA ? Are the laws of the Vatican also the
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