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User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1266 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1099 times:

Well, I think we all knew it was going to happen sometime. The Liberal Party of Canada has released a slew of negative ads directed against Conservative leader Stephen Harper. The ads were downloading very slowly off of their website, so I only watched one or two before giving up, but they showed a rather sinister-looking backdrop of Harper, and the general feeling is heavily anti-American (especially with regards to George Bush).

Personally, I'm pretty disappointed in the Liberals. I agree with a lot of things they have done for the country, their stance on same-sex marriage for example, but I disagree strongly with their campaign based primarily upon anti-Americanism and fear. Anti-Americanism is not good for this country, neither socially or economically, and I really hope these ads backfire. I, for one, will never cast a ballot for a party as hypocritical as the current Liberals.

What's your opinion on this? Do Liberal-supporters like these ads? Do you think it will sway undecided voters, or those whose support for the Conservatives is tenuous?

Dustin

[Edited 2006-01-10 23:47:13]


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User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1085 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Thread starter):
What's your opinion on this? Do Liberal-supporters like these ads? Do you think it will sway undecided voters, or those whose support for the Conservatives is tenuous?

Last ditch effort of a dying Government to try to get some more votes..

I just hope that no one listens.

1011yyz



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User currently offlineCFCUQ From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 712 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 1):
Last ditch effort of a dying Government to try to get some more votes..

While I agree with that, what's the alternative ? The election outcome frightens me with both possible scenarios. One, a corrupt and devious band of thieves, the other a bunch of redneck airheads.
Thinking of moving to the Virgin Islands. Nice weather and all those .... oh, how did the Islands come to be named ?


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1058 times:

The Liberals are toast on January 23rd and these ads are simply resorting to the tiresome Liberal tactics of previous campaigns.

While I am not happy at having to admit that we'll have a Prime Minister Harper, at least the Liberals can dump Martin and his cronies and get some fresh blood back into the party.

The Conservative minority will not sit in the house for long... a majority is looking like a bit of a stretch at this point.



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User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1056 times:

Quoting CFCUQ (Reply 2):
While I agree with that, what's the alternative ? The election outcome frightens me with both possible scenarios. One, a corrupt and devious band of thieves, the other a bunch of redneck airheads.

I honestly think the bad press about Harper is just that. Bad Press.

A politician is a politician, but at this point in time, we need another Government in, and Im' willing to take the chance.

1011yyz



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User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

To late, I voted this morning. I made my mind up back when adscam started. But I do hope that people see it for what it is, a last ditch effort to stay afloat in a sea of shit.

WrenchBender



Silly Pilot, Tricks are for kids.......
User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1046 times:

I vote tomorrow and Liberal attack ads or not, I know who I am voting for. I think that they spend more time attacking the Conservs then promoting their campaign. Pretty weak if you ask me.

User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1044 times:

The Liberal commecials are no worse than the ones the Conservatives have been running. I really wish Harper would stop going on about Martin's shipping company registering some ships in Barbados and Liberia, he clearly knows nothing of how the shipping industry works. Sadly most Canadian will fall for this ploy.

I consider myself a liberal through and through and even I voted Conservative last election and plan to do the same again. But some of the cheap digs and mindless rhetoric make me want to not vote at all. The Liberals have done many great things for this country but until such a time that they have people at the top of their party that have the strength of character and a clear sense of right and wrong I can't in good faith vote for them.

As for Stephen Harper, I don't trust him, I don't particularly like him but he is the lesser of two evils at this point. I say two rather than three because Jack Layton is a non-factor, all he does is take potshots at the Liberals and the Conservatives while looking pleased with himself (doesn't he look like he's just dying to cut you a great deal on a low mileage 1999 Kia Sportage)

Despite all of this I'm pretty sure the Liberals will edge it again and this whole stupid idea of an election in the middle of the bleak winter will have just been a $200,000,000 carnival.

YOWza



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User currently offline808TWA From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 701 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1027 times:

Would have been nice to see an alternative viewpoint by having a debate including the Green Party.

After all, they did get a fair number of seats in the last election and unlike the Bloc, they do represent the whole Country.

Not saying that I would necessarily vote for Green, but fair is fair and an open broadcasted forum with all parties having the opportunity to stage their campaign should have been offered to the Canadian public.

-Alan



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User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1266 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1007 times:

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 8):
they did get a fair number of seats

Though I do agree somewhat with your premise, the Green party did not win any seats in the last election. They won some percentage of the popular vote, I don't know exactly how much but I would guess somewhere in the range of 3-5%, but it was not enough to win a seat in any one riding.

That being said, they are running a candidate in every single riding, unlike the Bloc, so there is certainly an argument that they should be represented at the debates.

[Edited 2006-01-11 03:37:12]


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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 987 times:

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 8):
Would have been nice to see an alternative viewpoint by having a debate including the Green Party.

After all, they did get a fair number of seats in the last election and unlike the Bloc, they do represent the whole Country.

C'mon, the Canadian Green Party is virtually a clone of the NDP without the extremist environmentalist policy. If the two combined and just called themselves what they are, the Canadian Socialist Party, they might actually pick up a couple more seats from the current NDP count--which would actually help the Tories  Smile .

As for the Liberal attack ads, answer this question... Since when is this new? The Liberals have alleged the same thing ever since the beginning of the election, only this time they're throwing it on television. The Martin government will do absolutely anything and alledge anything to stay in power. If I was Harper I'd sue the Liberal party for insinuating that he is violating Canadian campaign rules by taking money from non-Canadian sources.

I'm not Canadian, and I really wonder whether these ads will have a big impact, especially after the "They'll go neg" ad campaign by the Conservatives.

My bet, since the very beginning (yes... even when the Liberano$ were leading by 25 seats in the polls), Conservative minority.



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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1391 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 971 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Thread starter):
they showed a rather sinister-looking backdrop of Harper, and the general feeling is heavily anti-American (especially with regards to George Bush).

They compared Harper to Bush and are trying to make him out to be the Presidents new best friend...this doesn't necessarily make them anti-American.

Quoting A346Dude (Thread starter):
I agree with a lot of things they have done for the country, their stance on same-sex marriage for example

Agreed.

Quoting A346Dude (Thread starter):
but I disagree strongly with their campaign based primarily upon anti-Americanism and fear.

Agreed. They have been weak in the policy area which the Conservatives have been very strong in.

Quoting A346Dude (Thread starter):
I, for one, will never cast a ballot for a party as hypocritical as the current Liberals.

I, for one, will never cast a ballot for a party that wants to repeal a right which has been extended to thousands of Canadians.

Quoting CFCUQ (Reply 2):
The election outcome frightens me with both possible scenarios. One, a corrupt and devious band of thieves, the other a bunch of redneck airheads.

I think you just expressed the same feelings that alot of Canadians feel. On one hand they want to give the Liberals the boot, but on the other hand they don't want a Conservative government.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 7):
I really wish Harper would stop going on about Martin's shipping company registering some ships in Barbados and Liberia, he clearly knows nothing of how the shipping industry works. Sadly most Canadian will fall for this ploy.

Indeed. Apparently he doen't know much about economics either (which is surprising considering he IS an econmist) because a number of well-known economists spoke out against his tax policy when it was released stating how bad the policy was.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 7):
Despite all of this I'm pretty sure the Liberals will edge it again and this whole stupid idea of an election in the middle of the bleak winter will have just been a $200,000,000 carnival.

They did it before. In 2004 the Conservatives peaked early, as they are doing right now, then lost the election. Either Canadians will hop on the Conservative bandwagon as they hear of poll after poll that shows they are in the lead, or they will seriously begin to consider the fact that a Conservative government may be elected in and retreat to support the Liberals. There is still a week and a half left in this election, alot can happen. The Conservatives are going to have to work hard to maintain their current momentum and avoid what happened to them in 2004.

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 8):
Would have been nice to see an alternative viewpoint by having a debate including the Green Party.

Agreed. If the Bloc is included, the Greens should be as well.

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 10):
If I was Harper I'd sue the Liberal party for insinuating that he is violating Canadian campaign rules by taking money from non-Canadian sources

The Liberals could sue Harper for insinuating that all Liberals are criminals. It goes both ways, and I don't think its a path that either side wants to pursue.

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 10):
I'm not Canadian

*gasp* You don't say!  Wink

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 10):
I really wonder whether these ads will have a big impact

I doubt it. Same message, different election- Harper is bad and a danger to Canada. While it may help them a bit, I don't think it is going to change the polls enough to give them a lead. The Conservatives have been running a policy based election and the Liberals need to do the same thing, they can't simply focus on Harper.


User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1266 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 934 times:

Just a heads up - rumour has it the Liberals may be running this new ad in the coming days:


"Stephen Harper has a dog.

You know who else had a dog?

Hitler.

Adolf Hitler.

Did Stephen Harper train his dog to attack ethnic minorities on command?

We don't know.

He just won't say.

Choose Your Canada."





[Edited 2006-01-16 20:56:12]


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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 918 times:

Well. I feel better knowing that some of our brothers and sisters in el Norte haven't lost the use of their bullshit detectors yet. It's cause for some cautious optimism.

User currently offlineBasas From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 915 times:

The latest poll shows this:

Conservative: 40%
Liberal: 27%
NDP: 16%

I'm glad Canada has finally seen the reality. A Conservative government is a step in the right direction for this country.

http://www.ctv.ca//servlet/ArticleNe...060116?s_name=election2006&no_ads=


User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 907 times:

I spoke to the representative of the Conservative party in my riding last week.

He asked me if I was married, I told him yes. (I lied.) And that my wife was at her Christian women's meeting. (rotfl, another lie, of course.)

I asked him what they were going to do about this "gay marriage thing". He informed me that if the Conservatives will be elected, it will be "gone". Then I asked him if the Conservatives would make homosexuality illegal. He laughed and said, "I don't think we could it take it that far."

I asked him what would be happening regarding two tier health care in Canada. He told me that it was "under review".

I asked what would the Conservatives do to help the poor in this country. He looked around and said with a smile, "I don't think you need to worry about that."

I thanked him and told him that he could count on me to make the right decision. He misinterpreted what I said, and as he said goodbye to me, he stated that it was a "pleasure to meet such a fine family man as yourself."


User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 904 times:

Quoting Basas (Reply 14):
A Conservative government is a step in the right direction for this country.

I would be interested to know what right step that might be. I can understand people wanting to get rid of the current government and electing the Conservative Party as a means of doing so. However, I fail to see any merits the Conservative Party has as it stands on it's own. Naturally, it would attract the bigots, the fascist element, as well as the brain damaged. Of course, I know you belong to none of those categories.


User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 893 times:

Quoting Nordair (Reply 15):
I asked him what they were going to do about this "gay marriage thing". He informed me that if the Conservatives will be elected, it will be "gone".


I agree that it should be abolished, but not illegal.

Its time Canada had someone in power besides the Lieberals for a change. On another note, if the Conservatives happen to get a majority, I can't wait to get the new toys to play with.  stirthepot 

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 12):
Just a heads up - rumour has it the Liberals may be running this new ad in the coming days:


"Stephen Harper has a dog.

You know who else had a dog?

Hitler.

Adolf Hitler.

Did Stephen Harper train his dog to attack ethnic minorities on command?

We don't know.

He just won't say.

Choose Your Canada."

 rotfl  Those ads are quite pathetic.


User currently offlineDrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 888 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Thread starter):
I agree with a lot of things they have done for the country, their stance on same-sex marriage for example, but I disagree strongly with their campaign based primarily upon anti-Americanism and fear. Anti-Americanism is not good for this country, neither socially or economically, and I really hope these ads backfire.

I don't want anti-Americanism in Canada either, but I really hope that Canada does not make some of the same mistakes that the United States of America makes, simply out of peer pressure or physical proximity...

-DrDeke



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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1391 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 880 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 12):
"Stephen Harper has a dog.

You know who else had a dog?

Hitler.

Adolf Hitler.

Did Stephen Harper train his dog to attack ethnic minorities on command?

We don't know.

He just won't say.

Choose Your Canada."

ROFL

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 17):
if the Conservatives happen to get a majority

Not quite there yet.

While I won't deny that the Conservatives are on top in the polls I also wonder if some of their support may be over inflated E.g. people who are going to vote Liberal but don't want to admit it. Also, there are still many undecided voters. If I were a betting man I would say that come Monday were going to have another minority parliament.


User currently offlineBasas From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 874 times:

Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 19):
While I won't deny that the Conservatives are on top in the polls I also wonder if some of their support may be over inflated E.g. people who are going to vote Liberal but don't want to admit it. Also, there are still many undecided voters. If I were a betting man I would say that come Monday were going to have another minority parliament.

At the same time, many voters who would have voted Liberal if the race was close, but truly are NDP'ers (voting Liberal just to keep the Conservatives out) realize with a 13 point lead, voting 'strategically' is pointless so will vote their true desire (NDP), instead of Liberal.

As for the other comment, I, for one, strongly support changing back to the traditional definition of marriage: one man, one women.


User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1391 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 827 times:

A fellow student in my department sent me this earlier...looks like someone has been busy (the author/creator of the site). The full report is especially interesting as it contains full footnotes to its sources.

http://www.harperstiestousa.org

http://www.harperstiestousa.org/cons_cand_affs.gif


User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 818 times:

To be honest they're all as bad as each other......(i can't vote yet, but this year i become a citizen), i'll NEVER vote for the Bloc! Liberals have some good policies in my eyes but they've shown alot of contempt for us people, and McGuinty in Ontario treats his position like a god given right. Jack from NDP seems like the middle man, never stepping up front but more often sitting back and watching. Harper...well, i have doubts he could be effective as a PM but he's looking more and more likely to get the vote! At least the tories are all for the Military!

Btw, I've been invited to more than one 'drinks party' where Mr Peter Millikin is going to be etc, but i don't go because i'm not ready to talk politics with those people. Likewise i've been invited to parties where the tories are going to be but i decline........these aren't parties thrown to get my vote, these are invitations only parties, but i don't want to hear it right now. Maybe next year!

Who am i for if i could vote? You know, i'm undecided

Stu in Kingston, Ontario



In the dark you can't see ugly, but you can feel fat
User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 813 times:

With things like this happening
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...060119?s_name=election2006&no_ads=
Can you blame people for not trusting the Libs

WrenchBender



Silly Pilot, Tricks are for kids.......
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