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V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended  
User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5014 posts, RR: 44
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

I might have missed something here, but when did it become offensive or disrespectful to show the V-sign? AFAIK, it just means 'peace' or 'victory'.

Anyway, driver in the UK got his licence suspended for a year plus a fine for showing the V-sign to a speeding camera whie not speeding.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/08/891.asp

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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

Penalty for being disrespectful of an officer on duty taken to the next extreme (could be argued that the camera is a police officer on duty, the person watching the images certainly is)?


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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Thread starter):
I might have missed something here, but when did it become offensive or disrespectful to show the V-sign? AFAIK, it just means 'peace' or 'victory'.

Not in the UK. There when you want to tell somebody "up yours", you use two fingers instead of just one. I don't know why so don't ask. So I guess the punishment was for telling the speed camera "up yours"  Wink



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

Scorpio let me tell you a little story.

Back in the day (1977) when I first moved to California I had an old Plymouth Barracuda and my hair was pretty long. So I was cruising down Redondo Boulevard in Long Beach with Mamasan when I got flagged by a sheriff's deputy.
I pulled over to the side of the road and the deputy pulled in behind me. I looked in the morror to see him unholstering his pistol and holding it down to his side while walking up to my car.

I kept my hands up on the steering wheel where he could see them and was very careful to say "I am now going to get out my wallet" "I am now reaching in the glove compartment for the registration and insurance documents" "I am on my way to XXXX for the purpose of XXXXX. I have come from my home. This is my wife. There are no weapons or contraband in this car."

The result was that I went on about my business and that was the end of it. Had I been cute, I'd likely have ended up in jail or gotten myself an equipment ticket.

And how many fingers did the guy REALLY hold up?


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 2):
Not in the UK. There when you want to tell somebody "up yours", you use two fingers instead of just one.

Not if the "V" is presented palm outwards. If the "V" is shown with the palm towards oneself, that's "up yours."


User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

It's probably classed as careless driving or something like that. His own fault, the bloke should of been concentrating on his car and the road not being a prat.


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Taking both hands of the steering wheel is classed as dangerous driving. He wasn't in total control of the car, so he quite correctly got a ban


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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5126 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

ok, a little history lesson for you all, why the V sign is offensive.

Many moons ago (i didnt take history) but the english and French were at war. The english archers were some of the best in the world, and were devestating the french forces. The french threatened they would cut the 2 fingers off any archer they caught, so they could never fire an arrow again.

The french never caught any archers, and the english marched through the french towns, with their hands raised revealing the two fingers the french threatened to remove, shouting "we still got ours".

this gesture was then adopted and became somewhat of an insult, and is used to this day to mean "up yours", and often called "giving them the fingers".

During world war 2, i believe the same gesture but with the hand rotated became used as the sign for victory as the shape of the fingers made a V.



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User currently offlineBrendan03 From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 951 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

That's so pathetic, I've 'peaced' at surveillance cameras of all sorts, If I'm in a lift by myself I peace at the cameras and smile


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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Taking both hands of the steering wheel is classed as dangerous driving. He wasn't in total control of the car, so he quite correctly got a ban

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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 8):
That's so pathetic,

Wouldn't be pathetic if he had lost control and injured, or even killed a little child on the pavement, would it?



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User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Taking both hands of the steering wheel is classed as dangerous driving. He wasn't in total control of the car, so he quite correctly got a ban

Damn! I so HATE having to agree with young kirk, but in this instance he's correct. Act the twat and you'll get nicked. Serves him right.

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 4):
Not if the "V" is presented palm outwards. If the "V" is shown with the palm towards oneself, that's "up yours."

Yes sorry, I should have added that, I forgot.

In any case... weird Brits  Wink



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Taking both hands of the steering wheel is classed as dangerous driving. He wasn't in total control of the car, so he quite correctly got a ban

Where does it say he took both hands off the steering wheel?  Confused

Harry



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User currently offlineBrendan03 From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 951 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 10):
Wouldn't be pathetic if he had lost control and injured, or even killed a little child on the pavement, would it?

From taking one hand off the steering wheel for a whole... What? 5 seconds? That's highly unlikely



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 12):
In any case... weird Brits Wink

However, if he had lost control of the car and injured or killed FlyAUA, then it would be ok  stirthepot  duck 



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User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 13):
Where does it say he took both hands off the steering wheel?

It was on the radio this morning, on Radio 2. Which, unless you listen in the net, you wouldn't have heard. I suspect it was also stated elsewhere but I can't find it. Over to you kirkie!

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineBrendan03 From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 951 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

He took both hands of the wheel? Oh.. Mybad, Sorry, I guess I skipped that post... I stand corrected... He is a fool (so am I, Sorry again)


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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 16):
It was on the radio this morning, on Radio 2. Which, unless you listen in the net, you wouldn't have heard. I suspect it was also stated elsewhere but I can't find it. Over to you kirkie!

He took both his hands off the steering wheel!? In that case I'd say a well deserved punishment. Driving is not a game, and driving recklessly is even worse! Well done to whoever withdrew this persons license.

Are there actually any people that drive with both hands on the wheel!? I drive with only one hand on the wheel, except when I am on the highway or if it's really windy.



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User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 18):
Are there actually any people that drive with both hands on the wheel!?

Afraid so mate. I drive about 90% of the time with both hands (cue sarky response from Pe@rson, kirk et al!). About the only time I just use one hand is if I'm in the states and bimbling along the freeway with cruise control on.

Or when I pick my nose/scratch my arse/give the V sign to some dork Big grin

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6685 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 2):
I don't know why so don't ask.

Goes back to the battle of Agincourt (english vs the french) and the fact that the English had longbow archers who caused a lot of damage to the french ranks. The 'V' sign is waving the 2 fingers that were used to pull the bow and holds the arrow. It's lived on as an insult.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 4):
Not if the "V" is presented palm outwards. If the "V" is shown with the palm towards oneself, that's "up yours."



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 7):
During world war 2, i believe the same gesture but with the hand rotated became used as the sign for victory as the shape of the fingers made a V.

Winston Churchill gave the V-for Victory sign both ways:








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User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 20):
Goes back to the battle of Agincourt (english vs the french) and the fact that the English had longbow archers who caused a lot of damage to the french ranks. The 'V' sign is waving the 2 fingers that were used to pull the bow and holds the arrow. It's lived on as an insult.

Adding to that, the Evil French ( Big grin ) would cut those two fingers off if they caught an archer. The V sign was used to show the Frogs that they were still able to use their bow.

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 19):
Or when I pick my nose/scratch my arse/give the V sign to some dork

 rotfl   bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5126 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 20):
Goes back to the battle of Agincourt (english vs the french) and the fact that the English had longbow archers who caused a lot of damage to the french ranks. The 'V' sign is waving the 2 fingers that were used to pull the bow and holds the arrow. It's lived on as an insult.

already mentioned in reply #7, try reading the thread before replying...



That'll teach you
25 Post contains images Logan22L : No, in the first picture, he is saying "up yours."
26 Scorpio : Well, you learn something new every day. Should've known there was an offensive version of the V-sign...
27 Post contains images SlamClick : Well, since he once called Hitler a "bloodthirsty guttersnipe" that is entirely possible.
28 Post contains images Nighthawk : Now, is that Saturn "Victory" or Saturn "Up Yours"...?
29 Post contains images KaiGywer : Did I just see GKirk make a serious post? Did somebody hack his account?
30 Post contains images FlyAUA : LOL
31 Ryangooner : I wouldnt go as far as "dangerous driving" but certainly careless and inconsiderate.... Im sure it wasnt a V for victory sign either, it states it wa
32 Racko : If he was not speeding, why did the speeding camera even take a picture of him?
33 Post contains images Mir : It would be the Saturn "Up Yours", with the "Up Yours" directed towards gravity. -Mir
34 Post contains images SlamClick : Well, I've just been informed that this picture was the late PM in Rome ordering five beers.
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