I Like To Fly From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1188 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2558 times:
Well I can tell you nothing is for sure right now. A lot of the buildings that were planned have been postponed in wake of the WTC stuff. I really think we should build something bigger and better, but I also realize there are many people who won't step foot in a skyscraper now. I think Hong Kong was the city looking at building a structure that would be the tallest in the world. But like I said, who knows what they are doing now.
Watewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2552 times:
With the 'tall building phobia' America is suffering from, we can cross of Chicago off that list for a long time. Hong Kong sounds reasonable, but I have never heard of such plans- at least serious ones. I've heard rumblings about Seoul, but with the economy still in shambles (with outlook getting bleaker with US economy slowing down), you can cross Seoul off the list as well.
In the next couple decades, the tallest building WILL be in China. I've seen a couple prelim studies, and I have no doubts that one of these will materialize to show off China's pride and newfound prosperity.
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2538 times:
With respect, any sane human being, American or otherwise, who has seen the footage of 9/11 would probably be 'tall building phobic' to one degree or another...
I predict tall buildings will continue to be built, but looking very little like today's skyscrapers. First of all, architects that have been canvassing the talk shows here almost all agree...beyond 80 stories, a building becomes impractical. anything more is penis envy.
I predict new skyscrapers built within 'cages' if you will...steel frames that not only strengthen the structure but sit 10 to 20 yards outside the body of the main building....far enough to absorb at least a portion of the kinetic energy of any plane or 'missile' shot at the building.
Still, I suppose if you wanted to get at one, no revolutionary design could save it..... one thing is for certain from now on...whoever builds the next 'tallest building in the world' may be boasting of their pride and properity....but they'll also have built a target. Plain & simple.
YKA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2533 times:
China has plans to build a self contained city in Hong Kong of 80'000 ocupants in the form of a sky scraper. It will be shaped like a cigar, be as tall as 3 CN towers and will even contain a park. They will also make it safe from biological attacks and it will withstand even the largest earthquakes as well as other natural disasters.
I read about in an article the history teacher hung on the wall last year.
Dasa From East Timor, joined Aug 2001, 760 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2521 times:
HA! tall building phobia.... sorry all, with all due respect, but i dont understand how you can be tall building phobic after the attacks. aah well..... thats just my opinion. i think most of the skyscraper proposals outside of the USA will still go ahead.... and the Hong Kong one will probably be the next tallest building in the world...... i think this one is almost definitely going ahead as it is part of a larger project, with parts of the project already completed........
Kasper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2507 times:
I think eleven storeys was the record before elevators were used in chicago in the 1880s. Why build a structure that would wear firefighters out before they could arrive at a hotspot should the elevators be out of action. A lot of people would also suffocate from smoke rising through a buildings centre. Phobia or no phobia they are allways dangerous.
Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3408 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2500 times:
Reclaimed land, can that withstand the weight of a 100+ story building? I know people build on reclaimed land. Being Dutch I spend quite some time on reclaimed land, but the weight of a 40+ building (about the top in Dutch polders I guess, not sure) or a 100+ story building is a lot.
SunAir From India, joined Jun 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2495 times:
Kasper brought a good point up there.
The problem with 110 floor buildings is that if an aircraft hits say the 90th-100th floors, it'll take firemen at the least 15 minutes to reach the top, by which time they'll be exhausted. And also, how are you going to put a blaze out 100 floors up? Difficult, if you ask me. Added to this, by the time the fireman have fought their way past all the people escaping the burning inferno, the building would have collapsed, which is exactly what happened on 9/11.
Architecture is going to take on a far more different angle from now on. Pity though, because I love skyscrapers!
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7814 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2496 times:
The next tallest building is already under construction... though now I don't know about its status. 6 South Dearborn in Chicago will be 110 stories and taller than Sears Tower or Petronas Towers. So it will be the tallest for the time being.
But then again really tall buildings may come into question again with the results of the WTC tragedy. How quickly can a building be evacuated from the top floors and how quickly can firefighting personel get up there etc etc...
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2435 times:
I think that skyscrapers will continue - it meets a need where land is limited. A Microsoft-type campus would of course be ideal, but where are you going to find the place for that in NYC? Or Hong Kong?
One thing that will have to change is the standard for evacuation. I believe skyscapers should be built so that they can be evacuated within one hour, maximum. How to do this is the question. The WTC had the standard system of stairwells, but maybe that can be supplimented by other systems, like slides. I don't pretend to know much about this, but I think that is what architects of such buildings should be looking at very carefully.
Lower Manhatten has lost close to 20% of its office space in this attack. Skyscrapers must be part of the solution.