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Iraq Adventure Costing $2 Trillions!?!  
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1520 times:


Iraq war could cost US over $2 trillion, says Nobel prize-winning economist


Interesting thoughts from Joseph Stiglitz, who got the Nobel price for economics in 2001, about the real cost of the Mesopotamian adventure. Considering long-time aspects and impacts on the US economy.

I didn't have time to calculate it myself, but it makes a lot of sense.

Source:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1681119,00.html

82 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineWukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Yay, Thorben! Glad you're being Pro-U.S. for once!

Thanks! We appreciate it!

Have a nice day!



We can agree to disagree.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Not surprising.

Is this news?

I think the figures will come close.

I can sure think of a lot of places inside our own borders that could use that $2 Trillion.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Quoting Wukka (Reply 1):
Thanks! We appreciate it!

Have a nice day!

 spit  rotfl 

You sir, owe me one Pepsi.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21520 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1505 times:

What is "pro-US" about stumbling into a war without provocation or necessity without being aware of the consequences?

Bush is not identical with the US, he just holds a temporary office - and has yet to be right about anything.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):

Of course this is news. The figure is a lot higher than everything know so far. And a lot of it will be spent in the US, for care of wounded etc. In addition to that a huge part of these two trillions are not money that has to be paid, rather money that will not be received (lost taxes due to negative impacts on the economy.)


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
The figure is a lot higher than everything know so far.

Anyone with any sense could see the Trillion plus dollar mark coming just for operations inside Iraq . . . .

Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
And a lot of it will be spent in the US, for care of wounded etc

I don't have a problem with this. I hope no one else does.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
In addition to that a huge part of these two trillions are not money that has to be paid, rather money that will not be received (lost taxes due to negative impacts on the economy.)

What negative impact on the economy? This economy is growing . . . the DOW is over (was yesterday) 11,000 and climbing.

The only lost taxes are those we give away with NAFTA and other ridiculous treaties that have sent American jobs to low rent bidders in far off lands. . . .something we should seriously get a handle on ASAP.

Edit: I've got about 30 minutes left here, and then I'll be traveling all day . . . I'm telling you this so you don't think I'm blowing you off if I don't get right back to you . . .

[Edited 2006-01-12 14:56:48]

User currently offlineWukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
What is "pro-US" about stumbling into

...blah blah blah

Klaus, I really hope it's the language barrier, because I can't possibly believe you to be so dense... (but then again, you work for Apple... oh, you don't?)

Nevermind, man. Sorry to have wasted your time. Continue on.



We can agree to disagree.
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21520 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
What negative impact on the economy? This economy is growing . . . the DOW is over (was yesterday) 11,000 and climbing.

The deficit party is still raving on, but this kind of thing does hit a wall sooner or later.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21520 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

Quoting Wukka (Reply 7):
...blah blah blah

Simply declaring anybody "evil" who's telling you uncomfortable and unwelcome truths is a sign of helplessness. Nothing else.


User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

$2 trillion? Well, if so, that'll be about 1/3 the (probably more than) $6 trillion pissed away since Lyndon Johnson started the "great society" hand-outs and giveaways that hasn't done dick except to redistribute wealth, if not actually perpetuate poverty in the US.

I'm negative towards both these "adventures", BTW. Regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 10):
since Lyndon Johnson started the "great society"

Okay Mr. Economist, explain to us how LBJ was responsible for the doubling of the deficit from $4 trillion to $8 trillion in the last five years.

[Edited 2006-01-12 16:12:24]


International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineWukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
Simply declaring anybody "evil" who's telling you uncomfortable and unwelcome truths is a sign of helplessness. Nothing else.

You try so hard to misunderstand, don't you? If you missed any of my points in many of my posts any further, they'd be completely behind you. At least there's a couple of people that understand them every now and then.

Thanks for the past discussions.



We can agree to disagree.
User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

What was the cost of our adventures in Iraq from 1991-2003?


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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

Westy, I didn't make a statement about the deficit over the last five years; I was inferring that both the $2 trillion and $6 trillion are/were simply not being spent on what I think are well-grounded ideas and I support neither.

You, of course, can infer that the Iraq $2 trillion, if it comes to that, will weigh mightily on the deficit, but that's another thread. Regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21520 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

Quoting Wukka (Reply 12):
You try so hard to misunderstand, don't you?

If you spent more time actually addressing points instead of hurling insults (ineffective ones, at that), it might reduce the potential for misunderstandings tremendously.

Have a nice day!


User currently offlineIceTitan447 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

Quoting Thorben (Thread starter):
Iraq war could cost US over $2 trillion, says Nobel prize-winning economist

And you thought it would be free?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
What is "pro-US" about stumbling into a war without provocation or necessity without being aware of the consequences?

We had great reason to enter into a war with Iraq, and coming to a theater near you, Iran.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
Bush is not identical with the US, he just holds a temporary office - and has yet to be right about anything.

His temporary office got him two terms? How is that temporary? If Clinton would have taken care of Iraq we wouldn't be where we are today.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
The deficit party is still raving on, but this kind of thing does hit a wall sooner or later.

I would worry more about US troops leaving the fine country of Germany for Poland. Big grin Lets see how you economy thrives, But then again you still have France as a friend.  flamed 


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1376 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
I can sure think of a lot of places inside our own borders that could use that $2 Trillion.

ANC, great to hear a proponent of the war saying that. You are right, better things to do with that money. But hell, why bother we can just print more right?

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 16):
We had great reason to enter into a war with Iraq, and coming to a theater near you, Iran.

What makes you think we are in any sort of position to have even a medium scale war with Iran? We are currently streched thin as it is, and Iran is a much larger country than Iraq, with much harsher terrain. A signifigantly larger poppulation with most of them 15-30 years old, also Islamic extremism is much more rampant there than in Iraq or even Palestine. Who would we send in the boy scouts?

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 16):
His temporary office got him two terms? How is that temporary?

Bush is out in January 2009. He has about 1100 days left. He is as temporary as any President we have had.

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 16):
If Clinton would have taken care of Iraq we wouldn't be where we are today.

Now this is utter BS. It was Reagan who sold arms to him to fight the Irainians, it was Bush41 who was and still is in bed with the Saudi's and who didnt finish the job in 91 when we had the chance, and then after the war Bush didnt support the poppular uprising that cost thousands of lives and added an extra 15 years to the mess.
When Saddam kicked out the weapons inspectors Clinton launched airstrikes in 98 Operation Desert Fox IIRC, but the republicans of course spun it to make it look like he bombed iraq to focus attention away from him doing the worst most unthinkable act known...getting his knob slobbed by an intern.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
What negative impact on the economy? This economy is growing . . . the DOW is over (was yesterday) 11,000 and climbing.

Dow is just speculative value. If it grows ten percent, the US economy hasn't grown ten percent. And if it falls ten percent, the US economy hasn't lost ten percent of the GDP.

Negative impacts are things like the deficit (raises interest rates which lowers the GDP, at least in theory), higher oil prices due to setbacks or spectacular terrorist attacks (hurt the US as an oil importing nation), costs for lifetime treatment of wounded, or simply lost because money ditched in Iraq could have been used for things in the US, which would have stimulated the economy.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11):
Okay Mr. Economist, explain to us how LBJ was responsible for the doubling of the deficit from $4 trillion to $8 trillion in the last five years.

Especially after the Clinton adm. actually managed a budget surplus.

Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 14):
Westy, I didn't make a statement about the deficit over the last five years; I was inferring that both the $2 trillion and $6 trillion are/were simply not being spent on what I think are well-grounded ideas and I support neither.

If spent inside the US, than money stimulates the economy.

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 16):
And you thought it would be free?

I never said that, but some people suggested that Iraq, due to it's oil, could basically finance its occupation and rebuilding itself.

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 16):
We had great reason to enter into a war with Iraq, and coming to a theater near you, Iran.

Go for it. It can't get much worse than Iraq.

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 16):
I would worry more about US troops leaving the fine country of Germany for Poland.

I would worry about your troops, when they are leaving Germany for such places like Poland or Romania. Have fun. You deserve it!

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 17):
and then after the war Bush didnt support the poppular uprising that cost thousands of lives and added an extra 15 years to the mess.

Even more interesting is that the US told the Shia and Kurds to rise against Saddam, abandoned them after that, and somehow had forgotten to bomb the elite Republican guard during its air campaign, allowing Saddam to crack the uprising down with it.


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
but some people suggested that Iraq, due to it's oil, could basically finance its occupation and rebuilding itself.

and some of those people were in the Bush administration itself. IIRC correctly it was the all-wise Cheney himself that suggested oil revenue would go to the reconstruction. But even smarter on his part, instead he has the US taxpayers pay for it through no bid contracts awarded to his old company Haliburton of which he is a stockholder and benefits from.


User currently offlinePbottenb From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
What is "pro-US" about stumbling into a war without provocation or necessity without being aware of the consequences?

Bush is not identical with the US, he just holds a temporary office - and has yet to be right about anything.

Klaus,

I think that you are incorrect on this.

1) We did not "stumble" into the war. The term stumble implies some sort of unintentional action due to lack of attention..This is not the case. There was a long build up over 10 years. Regardless of ones politics, the entry into war was heavilly debated here and had, if I recall, a majority of popular support here in the US.

2) Provocation or necessity - this is subjective. While I did not necessarilly support Pres Bush, I did support the war. I agreed that there was provocation and there was a necessity. Alas, I fear that we will never agree on this point, so lets not debate it...

3) Awareness of concequences - rubbish - I believe that we as a country were very aware of the consequences, hence the rubust debate. the fact that pres Bush was REelected in the middle of the war shows (IMO) that the majority of the American public had a pretty realistic understanding of the consequences (both positive and negative).

My final note for you is that one thing in your post bothered me - the fact that you are saying that Bush is not identical to the US. It bothers me because it tells me that you really do not have an understanding of America. the US govt, perhaps more than any other govt IS a direct reflection of the American people. To seperate the two is a mistake.

The fact that we are doing all of this with an entirely volunteer based armed forces should really provide you some insight...

Finally, $2Trillion to secure stability in the middle east is a pittance, even if we only partially accomplish the goal...

Anyway, cheers - and Im going to go ahead and say GOD BLESS AMERICA!


User currently offlineIceTitan447 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 17):
We had great reason to enter into a war with Iraq, and coming to a theater near you, Iran.

What makes you think we are in any sort of position to have even a medium scale war with Iran? We are currently streched thin as it is, and Iran is a much larger country than Iraq, with much harsher terrain. A significantly larger poppulation with most of them 15-30 years old, also Islamic extremism is much more rampant there than in Iraq or even Palestine. Who would we send in the boy scouts?

We will have massive air strikes against Iran. You can try and convince the large number of Liberals on this forum, but truth be known it will happen. Even your boy Kerry said the Iraians are making a big mistake by doing what they are doing, still believe its bad? or will you change your mind like your 2004 Presidential Hopeful?

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 17):
Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 16):
His temporary office got him two terms? How is that temporary?

Bush is out in January 2009. He has about 1100 days left. He is as temporary as any President we have had.

actually they say the leaving Presindent doesn't really do much in his last year, well unless you pardon criminals like your boy Bubba did. Smile

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 17):
When Saddam kicked out the weapons inspectors Clinton launched airstrikes

Just to divert heat from his romp with adultery. He should have been Impeached, but you people saw no wrong in him. Smile


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 21):
Just to divert heat from his romp with adultery. He should have been Impeached, but you people saw no wrong in him.

Just like you find no wrong in Mr. Bush. Amazing, he starts an unjustified, totally unnecessary war, yet you wanted Mr. Clinton out over a blowjob. I think a war started over false pretenses is a big bigger than what you bitch about with Clinton.

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 21):
actually they say the leaving Presindent doesn't really do much in his last year, well unless you pardon criminals like your boy Bubba did.

Get a clue, dude. Every president pardons people in the last few weeks of his term. I'll bet your boy pardons a few that will make eyebrows raise a bit.


User currently offlineIceTitan447 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 16):
We had great reason to enter into a war with Iraq, and coming to a theater near you, Iran.

Go for it. It can't get much worse than Iraq.

Have you ever had the chance to talk with US troops about said topic? Have you ever had the chance to ask questions about the war? I work in a city that is VERY military, the folks I have talked with laugh at how the media reports the war, but like every Left wing media outlet you cant be surprised. They say it is scarier reading the Newspapers than being there. I would believe these folks, not an A.netter from Germany.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 16):
I would worry more about US troops leaving the fine country of Germany for Poland.

I would worry about your troops, when they are leaving Germany for such places like Poland or Romania. Have fun. You deserve it!

Ungrateful? We've done nothing for your economy? More than 50,000 troops and over 2000 flights went through Rhein-Main airbase in Germany in 2003, nothing for the economy though.  sarcastic 


User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 22):
an unjustified, totally unnecessary war

Now that's a stretch...



Take off and live
25 Toulouse : ohhh enlighten please!
26 Falcon84 : Really? Starting a war, that has cost billions, over 2100 Americans lives, much of our good name and credibility-over something that DIDN'T EXIST at
27 Post contains images IceTitan447 : Your first response is oil, judging from where you hale. I do believe that it has a lot to do with WMD's. If an idiot like Saddam knows the most fear
28 Thorben : What do they tell you? That Iraq is a success? I could live without it. And the flights to the airbase only took slots off FRA. Could you explain whi
29 Post contains links Dougloid : The solicitude of our German brothers in this matter is most touching and deserves a round of applause doncha think? Great fellas, job well done and
30 Falcon84 : You mean, the one's that we've never found one flipping piece of evidence ever existed? You mean those tons and tons of bio and chem warfare weapons
31 Post contains images Klaus : Since the adherents of the current US administration so happily profess their eagerness to repeat the monumental screwup of the Iraq invasion there i
32 IceTitan447 : France, the guy I was responding to was from France. They can stop their program to make Nukes. I suppose you Germans think Iran should have nukes? B
33 Post contains images IceTitan447 : Same to you, on both of you. Like the tune plays we march off to the white house. You sentences are broken, re-read the highlighted portion, it doesn
34 Bushpilot : Will be interesting to see when it happens. If you live in a "military city" go ask any halfway decent officer about winning a war based on conventio
35 Falcon84 : Can the GOP playbook, will you, and type like someone who is speaking for himself, OK? I don't fear God. I've been brought up that God isn't wrathful
36 Bushpilot : yeah I think this guy is a joke. But he is new, as I am fairly new, so hopefully he will come around. It would be one thing if it was ANCFlyerish whe
37 Dougloid : It's none of your business what it costs. It's our problem and not yours, we have to pay for it and not you so why don't you two geniuses work on you
38 Frequentflyer : Yes it is. I was referring to the debate on whether to go to war or not. And that did provoke a significant debate amongst nations did it not? Had it
39 Falcon84 : Ok. I can accept that with no problem. Thanks for clearing that up. On that, I would have to disagree-especially on the last part. The mistakes were
40 AAden : O damn I guess our children's children's children's children will be paying for this one.
41 Post contains images Lehpron : We could have gone back to the moon. This contradicts the title. Example: I'm sure the Cold War costed trillions as well, but I think the War on Terr
42 BN747 : I was so sure this was some yet-to-get-hair-on-his-nuts 14 year old... imagine my surprise when I check the profile...! Down right scary, Klaus... as
43 Bushpilot : Well ill admit not to thinking about a Ken Lay pardon by Bush. If that were to happen, I think my goddamn head would explode. I have said before Bush
44 Thorben : Now, why is France the most cowardly nation in the world? Yes? How?? I don't know what all Germans think, but I do not want the Iranians to have nuke
45 Post contains images IceTitan447 : wasn't removed from office fella. Gore never took over, and he should have. Lets not go down that path, you have a twisted outlook on life. I printed
46 Falcon84 : But he WAS impeached. You need to learn a little about Constitutional process-fella. Uh, OK. Because I believe God is merciful and not wrathful, I'm
47 Dougloid : After the balls up you made of the last century and the mess you made of Europe the very least the Germans could do would be to STFU. That would be a
48 Frequentflyer : Some fellows around here need to take a pill really. Dougloid try to take one, then another step back. What you will see is a commonality of political
49 Thorben : Dougloid, your dumb posts will not stop me from saying what I think about the US and its strange adventures. You only show that you have no understand
50 Dougloid : The feeling's mutual I'm sure Thorben. Your dumb posts show that you do not understand a thing about the United States either, and they will not stop
51 BN747 : And your profile says you joined A.net FIVE days ago. So only two possibilities exist, A.net is correct and is -- which means you're lying thru your
52 Thorben : Dougloid, you critizice things that happened sixty years ago, I critizice things happening now. Don't you see some sort of difference between that? Be
53 Post contains images IceTitan447 : I know he was impeached, I he should have been removed from office. Don't hide or protect a coward like Bubba. I was wrong in my wording, you have ho
54 Falcon84 : Amazing, since I've never read his book. I use my words. I don't throw around words like "liberal", "bubba", "Al Franken", and things right out of th
55 Post contains images Gilligan : Considering the entitlement programs that he authored now cost the U.S. taxpayer somewhere in the area of 1 trillion dollars a year I'd say he's resp
56 Bushpilot : Yes, since 1933 following the 20th amendment the POUSA is inagurated on January 20th following the November election and the December electoral colle
57 Wukka : Doug, can I please get a clarification on who is getting told to "piss off"? I'm confused because my name was in all of the quotes that you used in y
58 BN747 : Quoting BN747 (Reply 42): 'Just why isn't $2 TRILLION dollars being spent on New Orleans, Mississippi and Alabama? Wrong... dead wrong, when a State i
59 YOWza : When I wanted to play with trucks in the sand my Dad bought me some Tonkas and a couple of large sacks of sand. Georgie is better connected and wealth
60 Thorben : I don't feel good about Angie anyway. She managed to avoid the biggest outcries over here by making some nice, but useless, remarks about Gitmo. Towa
61 Post contains images Wukka : Just a hunch... I think we'll all be surprised on who calls for action against Iranian nuclear development and acts upon it. Don't hold your breath f
62 Falcon84 : ROTFL! He's gonna cart them across other nations to Libya! Now, that's a good one! It's new, at least. Do you REALLY believe that line of horse manur
63 Post contains links Gilligan : Thus the most "temporary" President ever I believe. The economic depression caused by the fall of the stock market lasted until 1939, the start of th
64 Falcon84 : Sorry, but that did not constitute a trip-wire for this war: research and missiles and umanned vehicles were not a legit pretext for an invasion. We
65 IceTitan447 : You are a breath of fresh air, and finally a non-ignorant response.
66 Gilligan : What a bunch of BS. Here is an edited version of the Presidents speech just prior to the invasion, read it well. "For more than a decade, the United
67 Dan-Air : Even the dumbest of the Bush flock don't subscribe to this theory. He was pushing this nonsense a while back - apparently he's hooked on the Kool-Aid
68 IceTitan447 : Has so much more validity when it comes from an intelligent response. Thank You sir.
69 Cptkrell : Former President Clinton was impeached for lying under oath...as he should have been...irrespective of the "why's or where's" of the original poltical
70 Gilligan : Really? How would you know? How do you explain the advanced portions of Libya's nuclear program? They readily admit that foreign sources were involve
71 Dougloid : Well, there happens to be a quantitative difference here that's quite apparent. The US is in an expensive war which you have not been asked to pay fo
72 Klaus : "National character flaws" are not the issue here. You are the only one who insists that the Bush administration was identical to the entire US of A.
73 Falcon84 : Little Buddy, stop embarrassing the heck out of yourself, dude. Saddam's weapons aren't in Libya. Another dishonorable attempt by you to support a wa
74 Thorben : You still don't get it. Whatever happened back then happened back then. You can't reverse it now, whatever you do. But you can affect the things that
75 Dougloid : Wrong, Klaus. You haven't been reading my posts for very long. Nonsense. You haven't read any of my posts for content for very long. I for one have n
76 Post contains images Gilligan : Not anymore. The press sure isn't going to investigate it, it's in their best interest to perpetuate the myth that they were never anywhere. The UN s
77 Thorben : Germany has changed. Believe it or not. And for your "twice in a century" thesis: WW1 was not alone Germany's mistake, although that was claimed afte
78 Wukka : Oh... now we're going in this direction, huh? Nazi party coming into power because of Versailles? Really? I'll agree with that only to the extent tha
79 Frequentflyer : He does not IMO. Economic weakness and political near-void compounded. That's what lead to rise of extremism by popular vote. Bad? Yes Avoidable? Yes
80 FlyAUA : Well then I am glad some of my taxmoney is going as loans to Airbus. At least that's something for the world.
81 CaptOveur : So I should read this thread to indicate someone thought this war was going to be cheap? Sorry, Wal-Mart doesn't have a aisle for "regime change"
82 Wukka : Germany's political and economic downturn and the subsequent election of the Nazi party was being blamed on the "brainless" treaty of Versailles per
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