PANYNJ From Bahamas, joined Sep 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 926 times:
I'm getting a little tired with people claiming that Islam is completely innocent of this attrocious crime because Christianity isn't blamed for the OKCity bombing.
Tim McVeigh DID NOT commit his act in the name of Christianity. Muslim fundamentalists do and often yell the lovely words "allahu akbar" (god is great) before their attack.
Tim McVeigh was an isolated case and did something NO ONE has ever done before with the same motive. Countless attrocities have been attributed to the peaceful religion of Islam over the years and certainly more will come.
Tim McVeigh was one deranged individual with the help of one other guy, Terry Nichols who (while it is arguable) did not fully know what McVeigh was attempting to do.
Our WTC attack was coordinated by a giant Islamic terror network and possibly supported by several governments (some secular and some NOT secular at all).
So stop comparing the two, as a Christian I am offended. Our religion stopped violence against non-believers oh say..............900 years ago and Tim McVeigh never thought what he was doing what get him to heaven or martyred or anything holy like that. Simply politics. Also, he wasn't a goddamn suicide bomber.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21592 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 909 times:
PANYNJ: So stop comparing the two, as a Christian I am offended. Our religion stopped violence against non-believers oh say..............900 years ago
That would be very nice if atrocities had stopped back then; But not even the crusades had ended by that time. Much of the worst was yet to come: The inquisition, post-reformation wars, colonialisation, slavery, diverse genocides, discrimination and prosecution of jews which even culminated in the holocaust. And that´s just a deliberate selection of the crimes that were perpetrated in the name of christianity (the holocaust "just" partially).
And all were completely against the spirit of christianity.
It was basically just in the second half of the 20th century that human rights have actually become a real factor in real politics.
So we´re not looking too stellar there.
Which still does nothing to excuse any other crimes!
Stretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 888 times:
I am wondering if the WTC/Pentagon/PA atrocities will shut up the "black helicopter crowd" of militia/vigilantes who fear the U.N. and U.S. Government more than outside enemies. This is the McViegh/Nichols constituency. Send these jerks to the 'stans first as cannon fodder.
Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 879 times:
Well, of course, fundamental Islam is to blame for the Sep. 11 attacks.
But then fundamental Christianity has more than its own history of shame. As for Tim McVeigh et al, they were all adherents of a "Blame the Federal Govt-hate all minorities-keep America White and Christian" philosophy.