Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency  
User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 40
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

A socialist doctor and former political prisoner was elected as the country's first female president on Sunday, with her conservative multimillionaire opponent conceding defeat in a race that reflected Latin America's increasingly leftward tilt. First latin american female to be elected president.

News on Yahoo!


Whatever
43 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

The Concertación keeps winning. Piñera didn't even have a chance. At least, we can keep it clear that the government will not intervene in LAN.  Yeah sure

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11 Junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

Her father had been murdered and she and her mother had been tortured during the Pinochet regime; She had lived in exile for many years, later returned and was appointed to two successive ministerial posts, defense being the latest.

Congratulations to her, and to Chile for continuing to conquer its painful past.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

I am waiting for Pat Robertson to call for her assaination. Congratulations to Chile for taking a great step forward.


Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

Indeed, with my humble vote, Michelle will be our first female president. (What will happen with the first lady job???)

Our current President, Ricardo Lagos, will leave the government with more than 70% of popular approval after 6 years, which proves that Chile has some political stability and credibility that many would desire, specially after the dictatorship.

This is the first time in almost 200 years of Republic that the same political alliance will rule the country with no interruption.

Dulce Patria, recibe los votos





in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Quoting Alphafloor (Thread starter):
in a race that reflected Latin America's increasingly leftward tilt. First latin american female to be elected president.

Yep, the region is leaning to the left. I'm really worried that Mexico could be next this year. Mr. López Obrador is not a moderate as the new Chilean president elect, he is more alike to Mr. Chavez. As I have posted before, if he gets elected I will move back to the Bay Area way before I originally intended.

BTW, she is not the first woman elected president in Latin America. Nicaragua and Panama elected women as presidents a few years ago.


User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

What's next??A ''national shopping spree''?  Wink Big grin
And how's the husband called? the first man??

Mike



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

On the surface, this sounds like great news to me. I will confess, however, that I know nothing of this woman other than what I read in the link. She is obviously a person of courage and determination. And, for a Socialist to defeat a fat cat rich bastard conservative - that's good news in my book, regardless of where, when, and how. Good luck, Chile - may you prosper in the areas of fairness, health-care, and a lack of corruption.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 6):
And how's the husband called? the first man??

She's a divorced single mother.
Michelle Bachelet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Cue the sound of certain fanatics spontaneously combusting...! Big grin )


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

Quoting Alphafloor (Thread starter):
First latin american female to be elected president.

Wrong.
Isabel Peron, Mireya Moscoso vda. de Arias were Presidents of Argentina and Panama.
BTW, next February 5th., we will celebrate our Presidential election in Costa Rica. Oscar Arias Sanchez, Nobel Peace Price, is the favourite one. And of course my candidate.


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 6):
And how's the husband called?

Ha! she's actually divorced and single mom, as her youngest daughter was born of another relation. AFAIK, we don't have first lady yet... maybe her mother will be in charge

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 7):
hat I know nothing of this woman other than what I read in the link.

She was also the first woman to become Health Secretary and Defense Secretary, both under Lagos' government. Is precisely in this last secretary that she became that popular: even when she was prisoner of the military regime and her father was killed, she was serene enough for ruling the militars and gained all their respect.

Quoting Alphafloor (Thread starter):
First latin american female to be elected president.

As posted, there has been some other latin americans, but I think it's the first time in South America, although Isabel, wife of Peron ruled Argentina after his death. She was never elected president, though

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 1):
will not intervene in LAN

How come you always end up talking about LAN??? It's not healthy, get some psychiatric check!

Regards )(

[Edited 2006-01-16 03:20:39]


in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1319 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 7):
Good luck, Chile - may you prosper in the areas of fairness, health-care, and a lack of corruption.

I always wonder why those on the left equate socialism with the lack of corruption, when it flourishes just as much in leftist governments as it does in right wing regimes.


User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
I always wonder why those on the left equate socialism with the lack of corruption, when it flourishes just as much in leftist governments as it does in right wing regimes.

It's probably the whole Jorge Dubya Busch thing.  Smile


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
I always wonder why those on the left equate socialism with the lack of corruption, when it flourishes just as much in leftist governments as it does in right wing regimes.

Source? Statistics?

Perhaps we should let this new administration serve as a model we can all use moving forward. Time will tell. If in fact you are correct, I'd still rather have corruption in power, but the people have equal health-care, and scumbag fat-cats can't make a buck for doing nothing like sitting on the board of an Insurance company.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 13):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
I always wonder why those on the left equate socialism with the lack of corruption, when it flourishes just as much in leftist governments as it does in right wing regimes.

Source? Statistics?

Perhaps we should let this new administration serve as a model we can all use moving forward. Time will tell. If in fact you are correct, I'd still rather have corruption in power, but the people have equal health-care, and scumbag fat-cats can't make a buck for doing nothing like sitting on the board of an Insurance company.

Where is your source that socialist governments are less prone to corruption than democtatic governments? The Soviet Union was a socialist government, and by the time it finally fell, it was among the most corrupt governments around. I was in the Ukraine recently, where they are still struggling with the vestiges of soviet era corruption.

I wasn't suggesting that the new Chilean government will be corrupt because it is socialist. I was commenting on your suggestion that because it is socialist, it will be not be corrupt. That is patently absurd.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
The Soviet Union was a socialist government

"Socialist" in most cases means social democratic, nothing like the stalinist / soviet model you seem to be thinking of.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 10):
How come you always end up talking about LAN??? It's not healthy, get some psychiatric check!

I'll follow you.  Wink. It was somewhat doubtful that Mr. Piñera would keep the Government out, of business with LAN. That was what I was trying to say, you fool  Wink.

I certainly think, that even though I'm not in line with Bachelet's line of thinking, that she is the right person to preside Chile for the next 4 years. It was amazing what Lagos did, too.

Arcano, I am surprised that, in accordance with your "ideology" you didn't vote for Piñera, I'm gratefully surprised, I must say.

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11 Junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 6):
the first man??



Quoting AR1300 (Reply 6):
A ''national shopping spree''?

Mike, no. Fortunately there are only ONE pair of Kirchner's in the world. Unfortunately, WE have them.

And if there was to be a Mr. Bachelet, the job would be called "First Citizen"
I see how is the Church going to try to make Michelle Bachelet's life miserable...

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
Where is your source that socialist governments are less prone to corruption than democtatic governments? The Soviet Union was a socialist government, and by the time it finally fell, it was among the most corrupt governments around. I was in the Ukraine recently, where they are still struggling with the vestiges of soviet era corruption.

I wasn't suggesting that the new Chilean government will be corrupt because it is socialist. I was commenting on your suggestion that because it is socialist, it will be not be corrupt. That is patently absurd.

Arcano, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Chile has been under the "Concertación" government for more than 15 years now. I can say, that they have one of the lowest corruption levels if not the lowest, in the whole continent.

Cheers!  
Gastón - The MD11 Junkie

[Edited 2006-01-16 04:09:55]


There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
"Socialist" in most cases means social democratic, nothing like the stalinist / soviet model you seem to be thinking of.

Thanks, Klaus, exactly what I was going for.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
The Soviet Union was a socialist government, and by the time it finally fell, it was among the most corrupt governments around.

No argument here. I'm talking Sweden, Canada, France, et al. Sure, corruption is a human trait, and has no borders. I'd still rather have health-care for everyone, corrupt gov't or not.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
That is patently absurd

I am far more clever than to be an idiot 24/7, although I have suceeded at being one many times. Your premise is marred.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
The Soviet Union was a socialist government

"Socialist" in most cases means social democratic, nothing like the stalinist / soviet model you seem to be thinking of.

Regardless of which model one talks about, the bottom line is the same. Corruption crosses party lines with ease. Here in the US, the democrats are making great hay with the Abramoff affair - as they should - but if they start suggesting that they are above the fray, I'll offer one Tony Coelho, a former congressman and power broker from California who at least had the common decency to leave office in advance of his nefarious dealings staining hte rest of his party.

For those that may have forgotten, Coelho is the father of the vast and ethics-flouting Democratic money machine in the 1980's. As head of the democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in the 1980s, Coelho set a new standard in fundraising and strongarming, becoming the very model of a political shakedown artist. He made the party rich, but in 1989 was forced to leave the House under a cloud of financial scandal.


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 16):
Arcano, I am surprised that, in accordance with your "ideology" you didn't vote for Piñera, I'm gratefully surprised, I must say.

jajajajaja, why is that? do I sound too "right wing" or because of LAN?
Actually, I'm pro concertacion, and I don't like Pinera. In fact, in first round, when I realizes that there would be a second round, I didn't voted for Bachelet but for Lavin, to prevent Pinera to advance. As you can see, I lost my vote...
Besides, as Lagos did, Bachelet will also support private capitals and open economy, as we all love!

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 17):
Arcano, please correct me if I'm wrong.

No my friend, you're right: Concertacion has ruled since the return of democracy in 1990 and Chile shows by far the lowest corruption level of Latin America, ranking about 15 in the world next to USA and Israel.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
I always wonder why those on the left equate socialism with the lack of corruption, when it flourishes just as much in leftist governments as it does in right wing regimes.

Actually, it has more to do with political system than with left of right wings. You know, Pinochet regime had still some supporters, that even justified some of the human rights violations under the argument of a non declared civil war that prevailed in the country under Allende's government in 1973.
But know, after the Riggs Bank investigation the people realized that Pinochet stole money (about 20 millions dollars, almost nothing compared to other dictators), and that was it, most of his supporters just abandoned Pinochet. One thing is "war", but nothing, nothing justifies a president stealing in the eyes of Chilean.

Many people has said that this is probably one of the few countries were Presidents traditionally end their period poorer than they were at the beginning! We just don't tolerate corruption.
How many countries you know were police is one of the most respected and admired public institutions, as our police is?

Regards )(



in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 17):
Mike, no. Fortunately there are only ONE pair of Kirchner's in the world. Unfortunately, WE have them.

I'll have to say that I'm not really very akin of him, but has been from the best we had lately , overall.I think I'll vote next time.
Mas vale malo conocido que bueno por conocer...

Quoting Arcano (Reply 10):
.. maybe her mother will be in charge

 crazy Imagine!!!Poor chileans when the Govt house's phone bill arrives!!
You'll need a lot of IMF help.3 gals in the couch....(plus that daughter...)
Sorry for you guys!There goes your tax money.And to make up.And clothes.And that new juicer.And the new washing machine.... Big grin


mike



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

There are reasons why Latin America is the way it is. The last thing we need is a left leaning Latin American socialist government.

God help us! And them!


I found this interesting. "A 22-year-old medical student at the time, Bachelet was also arrested along with her mother and later forced into five years of exile, first in Australia, then in communist East Germany. She married a fellow Chilean exile while in East Germany. Back in Chile, they separated, and she had a third child from a new relationship."

Hmmmm East Germany. Now I wonder what she learned there? Hmmmmm????
Let's not kid ourselves people!



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineMarambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 21):
I'll have to say that I'm not really very akin of him, but has been from the best we had lately , overall.I think I'll vote next time.
Mas vale malo conocido que bueno por conocer...

¿Vas a votar a ESO?  crazy  ¡Shemá Israel! Under your logic, you should have voted for Menem in 2003 because we already knew him. If you want somebody with about the same ideology but who is way more respectable, try former Rosario mayor Hermes Binner - that guy has my vote.

Saludos,
Marambio



Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 22):
There are reasons why Latin America is the way it is. The last thing we need is a left leaning Latin American socialist government.

Yea, let me guess... And no I'm no socialist, unfortunately for the purposes of this thread. But as usual the same condescending attitude that 'the US can have a left', but Chile (in this case), can't, arises from Northamericans.

The Chilean left of what is called 'concertacion' (why it's called that I don't know), is not very different from the democratic party of the US. Chile and the US have had very good relations under this 'leftist' ruling period. Now you may not agree with their views, but from that to leap to 'East Germany', shows a bit of sensationalist zeal which quite frankly is unwarranted.

Is Chavez a worry? For sure, he needs to be dealt with. The best way would be for the world to end it's dependency on oil, so many problems would be solved (Iran).

But instead of worrying about Bachelet, I'd worry about Ollanta Humala in Peru. Believe it or not, he might be worse than Chavez because he has radical nationalist views about Peru, and what in fact some would even consider 'racist' views about non-Incas.



My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
25 Post contains images MD11junkie : EEP! Vade retro! Sheezus, Mike - don't tell me you did vote for Menem in 2003. Hermes Binner is a respectable guy, someone that does everything accor
26 AR1300 : Nope.I voted for lopez murphy. But I don't know politics anyways, just have a vague idea.... Quien??? Mike
27 Post contains links Marambio : Here you are: http://www.hermesbinner.com.ar Saludos, Marambio
28 AR1300 : " target=_blank>http://www.hermesbinner.com.ar gracias.Quite interesting, nonetheless.... Mike
29 Alphafloor : They were also elected presidents by a democratic vote ?
30 Racko : Our chancellor Merkel is also from former East Germany...does that make her socialist?
31 Post contains images MD11junkie : Yes. Mrs. Martinez de Perón was Perón's Vice-president, until he died in 1974. Then she became acting president. Mrs. Moscoso, was elected in 2000
32 Alphafloor : But that sounds like she was not elected as president by the people with votes. Ok, maybe I should have said "South America" instead of latin america
33 Post contains images MD11junkie : When you elect a President, you elect its vice-president too, at least in this country. The Formula as we call it here was "Perón-Perón". It was fa
34 Klaus : No, it's not. Social democrats are first and foremost democrats. The stalinist / soviet approach is authoritarian and absolutist. Economically, socia
35 Alphafloor : I understand and I knew the process but... I'm not convinced about the explanation.
36 Post contains images MD11junkie : Well, if she was to be president, like Mr. Duhalde was - elected by the Constitutional assembly, that took place when Mr. De la Rua, Rodriguez Saa, P
37 Pdpsol : I was going to make this point before Derico beat me to it! Chile is not Peru or Venezuela or Bolivia and Ms. Bachelet is NOT Chavez or E.Morales. Sh
38 Alphafloor : OK, here we are ! That was my point here. Saludos desde Ginebra, Alpha
39 Derico : The US media talks about 'Latin America PLUNGES left', or things like that, when facts in fact are more ambiguous and not so fatalistic. But the US m
40 Clipperhawaii : Haha. Only if she says she is!
41 RootsAir : none of them is good...come on if only we got new candidates, new faces.. Oscar Arias is unsing is nobel Prize to get elected... you'll see if calder
42 RootsAir : I hate how Americans are brainwashed onsocialists..they think they are communist! As a socialist let me give you my definition of socialist(or at lea
43 Post contains images Jasepl : Ah yes! Moving to that hotbed of conversatism will solve all of your problems, won't it? What are you waiting for anyway? Why don't you - in the ways
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Calderon Wins Presidency! posted Mon Jul 3 2006 07:20:23 by JoseMEX
So Much For Close USC Wins... posted Sun Nov 26 2006 05:35:02 by JpetekYXMD80
U.S. Efforts Wins Hearts, Minds In South Asia posted Wed Nov 22 2006 02:41:44 by AerospaceFan
Transsexual Wins Seat On Hawaii's BOE posted Tue Nov 14 2006 20:15:06 by HALFA
Webb Wins Virginia - AP posted Thu Nov 9 2006 02:37:32 by AsstChiefMark
Delta Blues Wins Melbourne Cup posted Tue Nov 7 2006 09:12:00 by QFA380
Top Gear Wins NTA posted Wed Nov 1 2006 22:12:08 by AirbusA346
Election First! Dead Canidate Wins Tie-Coin Toss posted Tue Oct 31 2006 05:36:37 by L-188
Brazil's Lula Wins Second Term posted Mon Oct 30 2006 10:49:13 by Cedars747
If Lieberman Wins What Does It Mean For Democrats posted Fri Oct 20 2006 15:41:30 by UALPHLCS