"The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his return."
I know that there are other threads on the current state of affairs on iran, but I want to look at it differently -
Is President Ahmadinejad a scary Shia version of Pat Robertson, but with nukes?
Or is he crazy like a fox and this is all just a negotiation technique?
If he trying to freak us out here in the US - its working.......
StuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2805 times:
I'm not scared of him. What I am scared of though is that our government will be too shy to take action against him until after it's too late because of all of the criticism it has received from both inside and outside our country over the Iraq situation. Those that have criticized the unilateral action that finally resolved the situation in Iraq don't fully realize the negative ramifications of their blatant anti-nationalism.
We can only hope that we get a true hawk as our next president who will not at all blink at Ahmadinejad's rhetoric and be able to stare him down by putting several divisions right on his doorstep and leaving them there until the people of Iran see the harm that he is causing their country both economically and possibly militarily and do the right thing by ousting him.
I am a Shia muslim and I really do not think this Guy means a thing that
he says. If He is scares you than he has already won. He is all talk. Believe
me, Shia muslims all over the world do not feel the same way he does.
Emirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2742 times:
Quoting Pbottenb (Thread starter): "The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his return
Let me inform you that the return of the Hidden Imam (Imam Mehdi) is awaited by all Muslims be it Sunni or Shia. According to the Sunni's he is going to be born as a child whereas according to Shia's he is a relation of Hazart Ali and has been in hiding since Hazart Ali's time.
You are losing it mate, the guy is sitting thousands of miles away from you trying to build a bomb. In reality Osama is a bigger threat to the US than Ahmadinejad, have a glass of wine and watch Fahrenheit 9/11, you will be feeling much better in no time.
QANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2707 times:
Iran is a sensitive issue - that doesn't mean that world leaders should preclude the use of force. The trouble is, no matter what the Iranian President does - US retaliation will be received with indignation. It will create terrorists and add further tension to the relationship between Iran and Israel. Regime change is out of the question in light of Iraq. The US needs to basically shove Iran in the right direction, while maintaining existing institutions and infrastructure.
Certainly, QFF. But what exactly is the 'right' direction?
One thing's for sure - this Ahmadinejad isn't a crazy fool. He's a populist president, democratically elected and he's voicing the opinion of what I suspect is the majority of Iranians.
I also suspect the pro-nuclear opinion in Iran isn't a result of any great desire to be armed to the teeth. Rather, it's a reaction to Britain, France, America, India etc etc trying to order Iran around. Who the hell are these countries to demand that Iran not develop nuclear technology when they themselves aren't going to do anything about theirs?
Unless the existing nuclear powers are committed to getting rid of their own nuclear arsenal and technology, they aren't going to be seen as anything but bullies. Which is basically what they are right now. Hypocritical bullies, at that.
That said, I think it's not the smartest move for Iran to spend all that money on nuclear weaponry (if that is indeed what they're spending it on). Just as it was damn stupid for India to do it. And that's because both countries have much bigger issues where that money would have been better spent.
QANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2613 times:
Quoting Jasepl (Reply 12): Certainly, QFF. But what exactly is the 'right' direction?
Pacification. Dismantling Iran's nuclear program, getting the President to tone down the rhetoric (I see the irony, don't worry), and in a more long-term sense - promoting secularism and religious tolerance. It won't be easy - and the US will have to employ every covert, diplomatic, back-channel tactic it can muster, but it's worth doing.
Pbottenb From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2576 times:
Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 7): Let me inform you that the return of the Hidden Imam (Imam Mehdi) is awaited by all Muslims be it Sunni or Shia. According to the Sunni's he is going to be born as a child whereas according to Shia's he is a relation of Hazart Ali and has been in hiding since Hazart Ali's time.
Emirates773ER - I was not aware of these beliefs. In the article from the starting post they claim that the belief is that Jesus will also accompany him...very Interesting....sounds very similar to my Christian beliefs....
Anyway, many of the posts here are pooh poohing the prospects of Iran being a problem...OK, I hope you are all right.....but do you think that the Israelis will take the chance and just wait it out until the nutjob goes away?
Gatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2562 times:
This guy isn't scary at all. The longer he talks, the more he pisses off the international community. If he ever makes an offensive move, he will get spanked by a coalition. He's is a big talker, but is no real threat.
WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2472 times:
Quoting Gatorman96 (Reply 18): This guy isn't scary at all. The longer he talks, the more he pisses off the international community. If he ever makes an offensive move, he will get spanked by a coalition. He's is a big talker, but is no real threat.
that's about it.
All the Israel stuff is just piss and wind, plus hysteria from the Israeli side.
As the Saudi Foreign Minister said, Iran dare not attack Israel as it would kill Palestinians as well. And that would REALLY cause him problems.
All the outraged commentary is really doing no good whatsoever. The best thing the West could do is deny him publicity, but unfortunately certain elements are using his rants for their own purposes. He's a toothless lion roaring at the moon.
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