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Iran's Pres Ahmadinejad Scares The CR#P Out Of Me!  
User currently offlinePbottenb From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 431 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Ok, Check out this article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...heet=/news/2006/01/14/ixworld.html

"The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his return."

I know that there are other threads on the current state of affairs on iran, but I want to look at it differently -

Is President Ahmadinejad a scary Shia version of Pat Robertson, but with nukes?

Or is he crazy like a fox and this is all just a negotiation technique?

If he trying to freak us out here in the US - its working.......

PB

35 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

I'm not scared of him. What I am scared of though is that our government will be too shy to take action against him until after it's too late because of all of the criticism it has received from both inside and outside our country over the Iraq situation. Those that have criticized the unilateral action that finally resolved the situation in Iraq don't fully realize the negative ramifications of their blatant anti-nationalism.

We can only hope that we get a true hawk as our next president who will not at all blink at Ahmadinejad's rhetoric and be able to stare him down by putting several divisions right on his doorstep and leaving them there until the people of Iran see the harm that he is causing their country both economically and possibly militarily and do the right thing by ousting him.


User currently offlinePbottenb From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 1):
We can only hope that we get a true hawk as our next president who will not at all blink at Ahmadinejad's rhetoric

I'm convinced that this pimple will come to a head long before the next election. its going to be up to GW to figure it out...


User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Quoting Pbottenb (Thread starter):
Iran's Pres Ahmadinejad Scares The CR#P Out Of Me!

I am a Shia muslim and I really do not think this Guy means a thing that
he says. If He is scares you than he has already won. He is all talk. Believe
me, Shia muslims all over the world do not feel the same way he does.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Ahmadinejad doesn't scare me.
He does make me laugh though.


User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 3):
He is all talk. Believe
me, Shia muslims all over the world do not feel the same way he does.

That being the case, please tell all of these Muslims as well as all other peace loving Muslims to speak just a wee bit louder.



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 1):
What I am scared of though is that our government will be too shy to take action against him until after it's too late

The USA shy of using force ??????????
hahahahahahaha......... laughing 


Read some History Books!


User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Quoting Pbottenb (Thread starter):
"The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his return

Let me inform you that the return of the Hidden Imam (Imam Mehdi) is awaited by all Muslims be it Sunni or Shia. According to the Sunni's he is going to be born as a child whereas according to Shia's he is a relation of Hazart Ali and has been in hiding since Hazart Ali's time.



The Truth is Out There ---- Face It!!!!!
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Quoting Pbottenb (Thread starter):
Iran's Pres Ahmadinejad Scares The CR#P Out Of Me!

Take a laxative and you'll feel better.  yes 

Until then, this guy scares no one but his own people. He'll get what's coming to him very soon.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Quoting Pbottenb (Thread starter):
Iran's Pres Ahmadinejad Scares The CR#P Out Of Me!

You are losing it mate, the guy is sitting thousands of miles away from you trying to build a bomb. In reality Osama is a bigger threat to the US than Ahmadinejad, have a glass of wine and watch Fahrenheit 9/11, you will be feeling much better in no time.



The Truth is Out There ---- Face It!!!!!
User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

I think Iran's president is trying to over compensate for his lack
of size, on TV he looks around 5 feet tall. I think N. Korea
and Osama are bigger threats right now.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

Iran is a sensitive issue - that doesn't mean that world leaders should preclude the use of force. The trouble is, no matter what the Iranian President does - US retaliation will be received with indignation. It will create terrorists and add further tension to the relationship between Iran and Israel. Regime change is out of the question in light of Iraq. The US needs to basically shove Iran in the right direction, while maintaining existing institutions and infrastructure.

QFF


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 11):
The US needs to basically shove Iran in the right direction

Certainly, QFF. But what exactly is the 'right' direction?

One thing's for sure - this Ahmadinejad isn't a crazy fool. He's a populist president, democratically elected and he's voicing the opinion of what I suspect is the majority of Iranians.

I also suspect the pro-nuclear opinion in Iran isn't a result of any great desire to be armed to the teeth. Rather, it's a reaction to Britain, France, America, India etc etc trying to order Iran around. Who the hell are these countries to demand that Iran not develop nuclear technology when they themselves aren't going to do anything about theirs?

Unless the existing nuclear powers are committed to getting rid of their own nuclear arsenal and technology, they aren't going to be seen as anything but bullies. Which is basically what they are right now. Hypocritical bullies, at that.

That said, I think it's not the smartest move for Iran to spend all that money on nuclear weaponry (if that is indeed what they're spending it on). Just as it was damn stupid for India to do it. And that's because both countries have much bigger issues where that money would have been better spent.


User currently offlineDragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 11):
The US needs to basically shove Iran in the right direction, while maintaining existing institutions and infrastructure.

why do we have to do it? We're kinda busy at the moment.



Formerly known as Jap. Srsly. AUSTRALIA: 2 days!
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

I suspect the next time Iran has its nuclear plant closed, it'll be done at 350ft, in the dark, from a westerly direction.

User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 12):
Certainly, QFF. But what exactly is the 'right' direction?

Pacification. Dismantling Iran's nuclear program, getting the President to tone down the rhetoric (I see the irony, don't worry), and in a more long-term sense - promoting secularism and religious tolerance. It won't be easy - and the US will have to employ every covert, diplomatic, back-channel tactic it can muster, but it's worth doing.

Quoting Dragogoalie (Reply 13):
why do we have to do it? We're kinda busy at the moment.

Um, to stabilise the region?

You think that because of Iraq the west can't do anything else - that we're too preoccupied? Ensuring that Israel and Iran don't nuke each other into oblivion is kinda worth the extra effort.

QFF


User currently offlinePbottenb From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 7):
Let me inform you that the return of the Hidden Imam (Imam Mehdi) is awaited by all Muslims be it Sunni or Shia. According to the Sunni's he is going to be born as a child whereas according to Shia's he is a relation of Hazart Ali and has been in hiding since Hazart Ali's time.

Emirates773ER - I was not aware of these beliefs. In the article from the starting post they claim that the belief is that Jesus will also accompany him...very Interesting....sounds very similar to my Christian beliefs....

Anyway, many of the posts here are pooh poohing the prospects of Iran being a problem...OK, I hope you are all right.....but do you think that the Israelis will take the chance and just wait it out until the nutjob goes away?

I have my doubts...


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

Jeez, don't be such a weenie. We leave him alone, he's not going to mess with us.

User currently offlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

This guy isn't scary at all. The longer he talks, the more he pisses off the international community. If he ever makes an offensive move, he will get spanked by a coalition. He's is a big talker, but is no real threat.


Cha brro
User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Quoting Pbottenb (Reply 16):
Emirates773ER - I was not aware of these beliefs. In the article from the starting post they claim that the belief is that Jesus will also accompany him

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

Follow the above link and it will give you a good idea about the coming of Imam Mehdi.

Quoting Pbottenb (Reply 16):
sounds very similar to my Christian beliefs....

Considering the fact that my religion is more or less a continuation of yours, they are rather similar!



The Truth is Out There ---- Face It!!!!!
User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 19):
Considering the fact that my religion is more or less a continuation of yours, they are rather similar!

They are very similar. Most of the names are same, we pronounce them
differently like Jesus is "Isa".

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1879 times:

Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 5):
Quoting PIA777 (Reply 3):
He is all talk. Believe
me, Shia muslims all over the world do not feel the same way he does.

That being the case, please tell all of these Muslims as well as all other peace loving Muslims to speak just a wee bit louder.

Agree 100%


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1871 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 21):
Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 5):
Quoting PIA777 (Reply 3):
He is all talk. Believe
me, Shia muslims all over the world do not feel the same way he does.

That being the case, please tell all of these Muslims as well as all other peace loving Muslims to speak just a wee bit louder.

Agree 100

I suspect that if anyone in Iran spoke out against its insane President, they'd get their head lopped off.


User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

He's losing credibility even with his allies at this point. Saw this story on the news tonight.

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Quoting Gatorman96 (Reply 18):
This guy isn't scary at all. The longer he talks, the more he pisses off the international community. If he ever makes an offensive move, he will get spanked by a coalition. He's is a big talker, but is no real threat.

that's about it.

All the Israel stuff is just piss and wind, plus hysteria from the Israeli side.

As the Saudi Foreign Minister said, Iran dare not attack Israel as it would kill Palestinians as well. And that would REALLY cause him problems.

All the outraged commentary is really doing no good whatsoever. The best thing the West could do is deny him publicity, but unfortunately certain elements are using his rants for their own purposes. He's a toothless lion roaring at the moon.


25 GDB : Well you scare pretty easily then. No doubt with help from a 'shock horror' dumbed down mass media.
26 Post contains links Jacobin777 : incorrect, most of the Iranians aren't too crazy about the current leaders in power (president, supreme leaders, ect.)..... "The president is elected
27 Pbottenb : This is the kind if euro arrogance that frequently ends up in US forces having to clean up after your ineptitude (Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq, ..the list go
28 Klaus : Right now it looks as if you've got your hands quite full trying to clean up after your own arrogant ineptitude in Iraq. Have a nice day.
29 Mir : I find it hard to imagine a more hawkish president than GWB. I suppose we could throw away diplomacy altogether and just send off the troops when som
30 Wukka : I've been working some weird hours lately and haven't been keeping up on things like I should be, but didn't we just go park an entire National Guard
31 Flyboy36y : Or maybe if our goverment had not attacked Iraq in a way that opened itself up to criticism by both Dems and Reps then maybe they wuld not have to be
32 RJpieces : Umm, Israel can take care of themselves. It is in the national interest of the United States, and the entire free world, that Iran does not acquire n
33 NoUFO : RJpieces, What makes you so sure it won't happen? Because Israel has nukes, too? Hopefully you are right, but I wonder if nuclear deterrence as we kno
34 Wukka : I couldn't agree more with your statement. Mutual Assured Destruction worked nicely (for want of a better word) during the cold war. Now with these l
35 QANTASforever : I know that. I'm certain that any immediate battle would be won by Israel. But this is a conflict that would go further than that. It cries out for i
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