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MLK Jr. Day- More Than A Holiday  
User currently offlineIlikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 21
Posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1510049

The article quotes an AP/Ipsos poll:

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Three-quarters of those surveyed say there has been significant progress on achieving King's dream. But only 66 percent of blacks felt that way.
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"For a big portion of the African-Americans, there's not better education," said David Bositis, an analyst of black issues for the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies. "There have been some gains made, but it's uneven. A lot of whites basically say: 'The civil rights movement has been done. I don't want to hear about it anymore.'"
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Only 23 percent of respondents say they will do anything to commemorate the national holiday that took effect in 1986 after a lengthy campaign in Congress to honor King. A solid majority of blacks, 60 percent, say they will get involved in holiday activities.
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Three-fourths of those polled say King should be honored with a federal holiday. Blacks almost unanimously favored that, according to the poll of 1,242 adults that included an oversample of blacks.

And the quote that best summarizes the article is:

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"Martin Luther King would turn over in his grave if he thought he was recognized by a day of shopping and rest," said former Sen. Harris Wofford, D-Pa., who worked with Rep. John Lewis of Georgia to establish the holiday as a day of service.

Because the civl rights movement was before my time and because I am white, I will never be able to truly appreciate this day the same way that many black people do. I am glad to see that this man is recognized for his efforts, and from now on this day, for me, will have more meaning than just a day of rest.

Your thoughts on Dr. King and this day of rememberance and reflection?


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User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

This holiday used to have significance for white people when it was called by it's original name of Lee-King-Jackson day.

User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Good thread, YYC. Although I worked today, I did take a moment or two to think about what I have, and how not everyone gets to have what they have without some need to defend something over which they have no control.

Quoting Ilikeyyc (Thread starter):
Martin Luther King would turn over in his grave if he thought he was recognized by a day of shopping and rest

More likely, he'd go up to them and whip them into shape. Peacefully, of course.

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 1):
This holiday used to have significance for white people when it was called by it's original name of Lee-King-Jackson day.

I confess my ignorance on this, but certainly MLK merits a day of his own, and if stupid white people got screwed like blacks did, maybe they'd have an ounce of understanding. Then again, maybe not.


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 2):

I confess my ignorance on this, but certainly MLK merits a day of his own, and if stupid white people got screwed like blacks did, maybe they'd have an ounce of understanding. Then again, maybe not.

I've always thought other countries should honour his memory as well.

When all the MLK stuff was going on in the USA, it also caused many other countries to take a long, hard look at their own societies. Maybe there was not as much overt racism as used to be found in some US locations, but it was certainly jut as much a problem elsewhere. And still is.

MLK and people like Rosa Parks helped change laws and, more importantly, attitudes. Nobody can honestly say "well it isn't a problem in my country". Martin Luther King made people all over the world take a long hard look at their own attitudes.


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 3):
Martin Luther King made people all over the world take a long hard look at their own attitudes

And for that, I rank him as one of the greatest people to ever walk the face of the Earth. He had balls the size of the Earth itself. He knew it was coming, and he pressed on.

At the ATL meet back in September, we made a pilgrimmage to the MLK memorial (thanks to OYRJA for suggesting, and Ian for driving), including the chapel at which he and his father preached. I have to say I was moved very deeply.

Your message has been heard, and some of us still hear it, Dr. King.


User currently offlineIlikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 2):
I confess my ignorance on this, but certainly MLK merits a day of his own,

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/mlkhistory1.html

According to this link, of all the states, Arizona is the one that caused the most trouble over it. The governor refused to recognize the holiday, and as a result, the Super Bowl, one year, was moved from Phoenix to California as part of a state boycott. Also, this link says that the day was often recognized in different states under different names.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2289 times:

Some deep south states recognize the day on the state level as a holiday for ex-confederate leaders, in deference to the racist opinions of some influential whites in those states, including CSA Gen. Robert E. Lee and Andrew Jackson, both slave holders.
The designation of MLK day started as State holidays in the 1970's and 1980's, mainly by politicians attempting to attract the Black vote. Then it became a Federal Holiday, once again for politicans to get Black vote cheap. What they won't do is make sure there is sufficient funding of education, and for the poor in general. This has worsened under the power of the Republican party in the USA, catering to the rich and middle-class whites who want to keep their privileged position over and tax money from everybody else, including most Black Americans.
Yes, like many I did think of MLK's contributions to the cause which still goes on as to civil rights, how it influenced the fight for civil rights not only of Black Americans, but also a wide range of other non-white/european Americans, immigrants, working people, women, gays, criminals and other groups in the USA as well as elsewhere.


User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1337 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2284 times:
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Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
This has worsened under the power of the Republican party in the USA, catering to the rich and middle-class whites who want to keep their privileged position over and tax money from everybody else, including most Black Americans.

Flamebait!

As a single white Republican male my tax burden is enormous.

I'll look this year for the check box on my IRS paperwork that affords me a tax break as a white Republican.



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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2281 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
This has worsened under the power of the Republican party in the USA, catering to the rich and middle-class whites who want to keep their privileged position over and tax money from everybody else, including most Black Americans.

I didn't know Jesse, Al Sharpton or Louis Farrakhan frequent these boards.
Please, this is sheer demagoguery of the worst kind. Sorry to break this to you, but your statement is race baiting.



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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 9):
Sorry to break this to you, but there is no such thing as race in my world. You may be smart, educated, and shrewd, but I still think you're an asshole.

Again, such eloquence is blinding. I am nearly overwhelmed by your rhetorical brilliance. Please give me a hint on how you do it, so I may reach your verbosity. If you don't realize that blaming all of the ills of Black America on Whites is wrong, then you are hopeless.



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User currently offlineIceTitan447 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 3):
Quoting Logan22L (Reply 2):

I confess my ignorance on this, but certainly MLK merits a day of his own, and if stupid white people got screwed like blacks did, maybe they'd have an ounce of understanding. Then again, maybe not.

What a truly ignorant response. Whites got screwed like blacks? Try the Irish, and they moved up through society. Blacks are well on their way up and in my opinion Mexicans are taking that spot from them. You will never be able to live down slavery, but you have to find a way to move on. It was a bad time in American History, one at which gets people stirred to this day. MLK was a great man, and he changed the lives of many not just Blacks.

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 8):
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
This has worsened under the power of the Republican party in the USA, catering to the rich and middle-class whites who want to keep their privileged position over and tax money from everybody else, including most Black Americans.

I didn't know Jesse, Al Sharpton or Louis Farrakhan frequent these boards.
Please, this is sheer demagoguery of the worst kind. Sorry to break this to you, but your statement is race baiting.

Those three are just a start on people who screw this great nation up. Jesse Jackson, a man who claims to be godly but has an affair on is wife. Al Sharpten is as racist as they come. Louis Farrakhan had Malcom X assassinated, why do Blacks follow these men? They keep segregation alive and well in this country. Take the 100,000 man march, feed these young black minds your hate, and they will listen and find reasons to believe the nonsense. In my opinion, don't ever use M.L.K.'s name in the same sentence as the 3 folks mentioned above. They don't have half of his(MLK) respect or dignity! for those of you who have never read it, here is the wonderful mans speach.

"I Have A Dream"
by Martin Luther King, Jr,


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Delivered on the steps at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. on August 28, 1963. Source: Martin Luther King, Jr: The Peaceful Warrior, Pocket Books, NY 1968

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of captivity. But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the Negro is still not free.

One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land.

So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition. In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir.

This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation.

So we have come to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to open the doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and to underestimate the determination of the Negro. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights.

The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. we must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" we can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.

Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair. I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the South. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring." And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania! Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California! But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and every molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"



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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 10):
What a truly ignorant response. Whites got screwed like blacks?

Did you actually READ what I wrote??? I said IF whites got screwed by blacks (you know, in the same way blacks WERE actually screwed by whites), THEN maybe they'd have a better understanding.

Careful tossing that "ignorant" word around, it might just come right back at you.


User currently offlineIceTitan447 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 11):
Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 10):
What a truly ignorant response. Whites got screwed like blacks?

Did you actually READ what I wrote??? I said IF whites got screwed by blacks (you know, in the same way blacks WERE actually screwed by whites), THEN maybe they'd have a better understanding.

This happens to whites, its called affirmative action. That is the biggest crock ever. I am assuming your a black man judging from your profile. So I don't expect you to agree. Blacks and Whites can live together peacefully, until leaders from BOTH sides remind each other of our differences, skin color. Our community leaders need to stop doing this. Hollywood does it, in Black movies with people like Queen Latifa or Chris Rock, they always find a way to degrade the other race, If a white movie did this the Jesse Jackson and his band of morons would go nuts. So yes, we whites know what it feels like. Is it the same as to what your ancestors went through? Not even close, but don't get to surprised when us white folk don't see your point of view.

Sad world we live in. There is not one Black leader today who could come close to filling the shoes of the Good Reverend, my opinion.

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 11):
Careful tossing that "ignorant" word around, it might just come right back at you.

Is that right?


User currently offlineIlikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 12):
I am assuming your a black man judging from your profile.

Having met Logan22L in person, briefly, I know he is white. Heck, even his hair is white!  duck 



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User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 48
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Quoting Ilikeyyc (Reply 13):
Having met Logan22L in person, briefly, I know he is white. Heck, even his hair is white!

AHEM! "hair?"



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User currently offlineIlikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 14):
AHEM! "hair?"

OK, I should have said what's left of his hair is white!



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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 12):
Is that right?

Yes. The following statement is the epitome of ignorance:

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 12):
I am assuming your a black man judging from your profile.

Ignorance is not necessarily an insult, it is simply a complete unawareness of the truth. I defended MLK, I defended the position of a race of people long persecuted, and some of my favorite jazz musicians happen to be Coltrane, Dolphy, Monk, Mingus and Art Taylor.

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 12):
This happens to whites, its called affirmative action.

A far cry from being hated because you happened to be born with dark skin.


User currently offlineIceTitan447 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 16):
Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 12):
This happens to whites, its called affirmative action.

A far cry from being hated because you happened to be born with dark skin.

Yah, reverse racism. You get turned away because of the color of your skin. Then they hire a man or woman based on the color of their skin. Hmmm


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 12):
This happens to whites, its called affirmative action.

Oh yea, that policy has really left many Whites in the poor house and Blacks are so rich and powerful due to this policy.  Yeah sure
(Dripping with sarcasm).


You seem to spend a lot of time watching a handful of Black entertainers but you need to see the role Blacks played in many movies in the past and in some today. Watch the news also (especially Fox).
Reporters love to find the most ignorant Black person they can find when reporting a story on location. The crap on UPN and BET is just embarrassing to watch. There are dozens of Black actors that act like a damn fool on those stations. I am sure you find it entertaining right?
Keep in mind, these are just entertainers. They hold no position of power what so ever. All they can do is act a fool on TV for your entertainment IceTitan.

I've meet Logan22L also and yes he is White. Your assumption of him being Black proved your ignorance because you fail to see that there are many Whites that don't share your views. Perhaps Logan22L lives around Blacks and understand other people's point of view?
It's easy for you to hide behind MLK since he is accepted by the mainstream and has a national holiday today. However it was the conservatives (Democrat and Republican) that were working against him when he was alive.

If you want to have a serious discussion about race, don't bother bringing in clowns like Chris Rock and Queen Latifah. Next time bring up someone that has some credibility.



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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 17):
Yah, reverse racism. You get turned away because of the color of your skin. Then they hire a man or woman based on the color of their skin. Hmmm

Why are you so adamant against this? Do your homework and enter a field that involves hiring based on qualifications. I've had five different jobs in the last 25 years and not one of them ever had even the slightest ramifications from affirmative action.

The truth is we fucked over the African American race for hundreds of years, and a short trip through urban American will prove that many of them have not made their way out. Some of that may be their fault, but much of it is based on educational resources that they have not been given.

If diversity cannot happen naturally because white America as a whole won't accept it, then I have no problem with some degree of affirmative action. There are far more important issues in the world to bitch about, but do as you must.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 19):
Do your homework and enter a field that involves hiring based on qualifications

...but that requires skill. He rather bitch about not getting a job at the local asbestos factory.



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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
He rather bitch about not getting a job at the local asbestos factory.

Well, he's going to need that to make his flame-retardant suit.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 21):
Well, he's going to need that to make his flame-retardant suit.

LOL!
 rotfl 



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2193 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 3):
When all the MLK stuff was going on in the USA, it also caused many other countries to take a long, hard look at their own societies. Maybe there was not as much overt racism as used to be found in some US locations, but it was certainly jut as much a problem elsewhere. And still is.

MLK and people like Rosa Parks helped change laws and, more importantly, attitudes. Nobody can honestly say "well it isn't a problem in my country". Martin Luther King made people all over the world take a long hard look at their own attitudes.

I agree. I think making his birthday a holiday was very appropriate. What ticks me off every year though, is that in creating MLK Day (good idea) the PC police downgraded Washington and Lincoln's Birthdays into the generic President's Day (really bad idea)

To suggest that George and Abe be given equal time with some of the lesser occupants of the White House is a travesty to the memory of the two presidents who did the most of any of their peers to ensure the US is what it is today. Without Washington's steady hand, who knows what the thirteen states might have become. Without Lincoln's courage, we would have become two lesser nations.

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 19):
The truth is we fucked over the African American race for hundreds of years, and a short trip through urban American will prove that many of them have not made their way out.

Maybe you engaged in such behavior, but please don't include me in your guilt trip.

And to the extent that some black Americans haven't made their way out of the lower class, today the cause is predominately white racism -- more likely the cause is staring right back at them when they look into the mirror. Yes, in the past blacks were oppressed. Yes, their education was second class at best. Yes, we denied blacks first-rate jobs. Today, regardless of the carping of the Jesse Jackson crowd, institutional racism is nothing like it used to be. Today, the workplace is much more integrated than it used to be. But today, when black kids strive to get good grades, they are derided by their peers for "acting white." How is that caused by white racism?


User currently offlineNancy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2193 times:

There are many studies that show there is still job discrimination against African Americans, despite the loud and repeated protestations to the contrary. I guess if people say something loud enough and often enough people begin to believe it.
http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html Study that shows having a "white name" leads to more call backs from similar resumes
http://www.collegejournal.com/succes...lacediversity/20030910-wessel.html White men who have been jail for possession of cocaine with intent to sell are more likely to get a call-back for an entry level job than a black man with no criminal record. These are two I can post links. Many of the studies are on academic websites with limited access.


25 Molykote : True - However, this is universal and not confined to any particular race or group. TV cameras are asshole magnets.
26 Post contains images Superfly :    Well said. Sad but true. Not to get too far off topic. Isn't it just pathetic that Condolezza Rice has a solid resume and is 10 times smarter th
27 Jaysit : LOL. This mighty icetitan should keep on talking. Reading his posts is a bit like watching a Road runner cartoon. You know that the coyote's gonna sc
28 Halls120 : Condi Rice's skin color has little to do with the fact she isn't president. She isn't president because she's never run for public office.
29 Logan22L : Here I am siding with the concept of remorse for the actions of the past (and, to a lesser extent, the present), and you try to insinuate that I may
30 Jaysit : Dude, you just never get off your soapbox of half truths, deceptions, and outright lies, do you? The truth is that President's day is only the popula
31 Halls120 : Where's the "outright lie?" Did I say GW's birthday was no longer a federal holiday? No. However, while Washington's birthday might still be the lega
32 Slider : Well, as I noted in my post in the 'slave reparations' thread, my boys play hand in hand with their black neighbors and it's all good. When I look th
33 Post contains images Superfly : You totally missed the point. It was totally over your head.
34 BN747 : Poor IceTitan.. those photos in Logan's profile just tripped him all up... Isn't assuming the mother of all f**kups? wrong... yep.. attitudes are alr
35 StuckinMAF : MLK day is nothing more than a society-sponsored photo op for left-wing politicians to run their mouths.
36 LHMARK : Alos, every year it creates discussions about Martin Luther King and civil rights that wouldn't otherwise be had. That's a pretty good accomplishment
37 Post contains images IceTitan447 : Is that all your good for? Simple responses, 1 sentence responses? Now that is good fun!
38 Post contains images Halls120 : No, I didn't. Just thought I'd try and change the debate.
39 BN747 : Do be hatin' on me... you're the one who said the stupid shit and got tripped up by lookin' at the man's pics in his profile and made a bad call... .
40 Tbar220 : You know what MLK Jr. would really be rolling over in his grave over? The fact that people argue about crap like "should this really be a holiday?" an
41 Post contains images Logan22L : Well put. I'm willing to shut up, and that's saying something. Yes, I meant to say that.
42 Post contains links Superfly : Huh? You really make conservatives look real stupid with comments like that. "The House had passed the King Holiday Bill by an overwhelming vote of 3
43 StuckinMAF : No shit. And you can see, from the text YOU quoted, that they did something, they didn't just run their mouths.
44 Post contains images Superfly : StuckinMAF: ...and who were the first proponets of a MLK holiday?
45 StuckinMAF : Who cares? You got your damned holiday, didn't you? Now go out and celebrate!
46 Superfly : No I didn't. I am not Martin Luther King.
47 StuckinMAF : Do you not observe the holiday dedicated to MLK, Jr.? I certainly do! I watch the parades, (wishing I could participate in them) and I go to the reme
48 Superfly : Why don't you?
49 StuckinMAF : This year, it was because I was scheduled to do my court-ordered community service hours during the times the parades occured in my town. I'm hoping
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