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User currently offlineIceTitan447 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 897 times:

If a Muslin doesn't want to be a part of the Jihad against all infidels, does that in turn make them and infidel?

I was talking with a buddy over the recent Osama tape that has surfaced, and how the Muslin way is to call a truce before they strike, what does that mean for Muslims who are honest citizens of this country, or of the world? Are they considered one of us if they don't take up arms against us?


Thanks for any replies.

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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 891 times:

Jihad has nothing to do with true muslims. It's something that some fanatic maniacs invented to make all the other muslims look bad. So a very short and concise answer to that question is "no it does not".


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User currently offlineIceTitan447 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 881 times:

Thanks for the answer, You have cured my curiosity.

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 876 times:
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... judging all muslims by the ranting of a lunatic like bin Laden is a bit like judging all christians based on the ranting of Fred Phelps . The vast majority of the hundreds of millions of muslims around the world just want to quietly get on with their own lives and have no interest in any jihad .


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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 875 times:

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 2):
Thanks for the answer, You have cured my curiosity.

Anytime  Wink



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 871 times:

If I convert to islam, do I have to change my birth name (wich is Michael Hermanson btw)?

Micke//SE  Confused



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 863 times:
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even more important question ... if you convert do islam do you have to cut off you-know-what ?  weeping 


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 858 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):

What will I cut off? My hair?

Micke//SE  Wink



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 841 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
even more important question ... if you convert do islam do you have to cut off you-know-what ?

say what???  confused 

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 5):
If I convert to islam, do I have to change my birth name (wich is Michael Hermanson btw)?

no...technically one doesn't have to..most people do because they feel that changing their names to an Islamic name is a reflection to their religion...

Quoting IceTitan447 (Thread starter):
If a Muslin doesn't



Quoting IceTitan447 (Thread starter):
how the Muslin way is

you could at least run spell check....



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 835 times:
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
say what???

Sorry Jacobin , I guess I was being a bit obscure . I was under the impression (possibly completely incorrect 'cos religion is not something that I know a lot about ) that Muslims still practice circumcision and wondered whether adult males converting had to face the unkindest cut as well  scared 



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User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 830 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
even more important question ... if you convert do islam do you have to cut off you-know-what ?



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 5):
If I convert to islam, do I have to change my birth name (wich is Michael Hermanson btw)?

Yes in both the cases.

Quoting IceTitan447 (Thread starter):
If a Muslin doesn't want to be a part of the Jihad against all infidels, does that in turn make them and infidel?

I was talking with a buddy over the recent Osama tape that has surfaced, and how the Muslin way is to call a truce before they strike, what does that mean for Muslims who are honest citizens of this country, or of the world? Are they considered one of us if they don't take up arms against us?

That questions requires a pretty detailed answer but I will try to narrow it down as far as possible. Jihads are of many types but in terms of fighting they can be classified as a "Offensive Jihad" or a "Defensive Jihad". Offensive Jihad is when a Muslims attack another country to conquer, usually this happened during the medieval times when Islam was spreading through out the middle east and Europe. "Defensive Jihad" is when Muslims are attacked upon by a outside force, this would happen anytime a Muslim country is attacked. Taking part in a Offensive Jihad is not obligatory as far as I know but in a Defensive Jihad it is the total opposite where one has to fight under all circumstances. The citizens of your country would be expected to serve Muslims in a defensive Jihad, example if the US attacks Iran illegally then the US Iranians should be boycotting the US, but are not required to serve in a Offensive Jihad.



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User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 822 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
no...technically one doesn't have to..most people do because they feel that changing their names to an Islamic name is a reflection to their religion...

I was under the assumption that one has to change his name to a Islamic one when he/she converts.



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User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 821 times:

Jacobin777 is right in his claim.

http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/of...rowse%26QR%3D23273%26amp%3Bdgn%3D4



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 816 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 5):
If I convert to islam, do I have to change my birth name (wich is Michael Hermanson btw)?

Not at all. Some just decide to. Mike Tyson (not a great example, but the best to think of) didn't change his name

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 7):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):


What will I cut off? My hair?

He is talking about TWFirst's least favorite thing in the world...Circumcision



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 811 times:

More stupid questions of the day.

If I eat a kebab, does it make me Muslim?

If I don't support President Bush, does it make me an Iraqi?

If I watch a football game on a bigscreen TV, does it make me an athlete?

Add on...


User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 809 times:

Quoting IceTitan447 (Thread starter):
If a Muslin doesn't want to be a part of the Jihad against all infidels, does that in turn make them and infidel?

Definitely not. 99.9999999% of muslims are against Jihad (Which does not
mean holy war, it means to stand up against wrong doings).
That does not make them infidels.

PIA777



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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 808 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 5):
If I convert to islam, do I have to change my birth name (wich is Michael Hermanson btw)?

No you do not. Islam is a very flexible religion.

PIA777



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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 806 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 14):
If I don't support President Bush, does it make me an Iraqi?

It makes you a True American.

PIA777



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 805 times:

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 11):

I was under the assumption that one has to change his name to a Islamic one when he/she converts.

Emirates, I know many people who have converted to Islam, so I found out for myself if one had to change names...

we always learn everyday.... Smile

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
Sorry Jacobin , I guess I was being a bit obscure . I was under the impression (possibly completely incorrect 'cos religion is not something that I know a lot about ) that Muslims still practice circumcision and wondered whether adult males converting had to face the unkindest cut as well

no probs kiwi... Wink

to answer your question, circumcision is practiced..but no..there isn't the "unkindest cut as well...."

plus, how would Muslims reproduce...not everyone has the ability to give "divine" birth like Mary/Marium....... Wink



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User currently offlineIceTitan447 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 781 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
Quoting IceTitan447 (Thread starter):
If a Muslin doesn't



Quoting IceTitan447 (Thread starter):
how the Muslin way is

you could at least run spell check....

You could worry about more important things than misspelled words teacher. Always a monkey on the forum critiquing others on spelling,get over it.

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 10):
example if the US attacks Iran illegally then the US Iranians should be boycotting the US, but are not required to serve in a Offensive Jihad

And who is responsible for deciding if the US attacks Iraq illegally? Osama? Saddam? They are poor choices for such an important war, wouldn't you think?

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 17):
It makes you a True American.

No that would make you a political minority.
 wave   wave   wave   wave   wave   wave   wave 


User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 746 times:

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 19):
And who is responsible for deciding if the US attacks Iraq illegally? Osama? Saddam? They are poor choices for such an important war, wouldn't you think?

Your common sense is.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 737 times:

I have a lot of Muslim friends....And none of them believe this is Jihad.In fact there explanation is totally the opposite.
In fact amongst friend they use the word "Bhai" which means brother after calling out ones name.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 714 times:
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
circumcision is practiced..but no..there isn't the "unkindest cut as well...."


Quote:
plus, how would Muslims reproduce...

now you are confusing me - I was talking about circumcision - I never mentioned castration .
I am sorry, I don't mean any disrepect to either Islam , or Judaism , but genital mutilation of any sort sounds pretty unkind to me ...

[Edited 2006-01-21 13:07:56]

[Edited 2006-01-21 13:09:00]


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 709 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 17):
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 14):
If I don't support President Bush, does it make me an Iraqi?

It makes you a True American.

 thumbsup  thumbsup 

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 19):
Quoting PIA777 (Reply 17):
It makes you a True American.

No that would make you a political minority.

Have you seen GWB's approval rating lately?

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 22):
I am sorry, I don't mean any disrepect to either Islam , or Judaism , but genital mutilation of any sort sounds pretty unkind to me ...

Something that lowers rates of STD transmission and penile cancer is not what I would call mutilation



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 703 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
Something that lowers rates of STD transmission and penile cancer is not what I would call mutilation

never heard that one before ... are you serious ? Is there actually statistical information that Muslims/Jews have lower rates of penile cancer than non-Muslims/Jews?

do you have a link to any of it ... it sounds fascinating ( if somewhat grim ) reading .

[Edited 2006-01-21 13:40:25]


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25 Post contains images Jasepl : Lopping my head off would also lower the chance of my catching an STD or getting cancer. I'd still call it mutilation Reza! Besides, surely the reaso
26 Post contains links RichardPrice : Ive posted this a couple of times in other Islam related threads, but it needs a mention here I think: http://www.muslim-answers.org/Introducing-Islam
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