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User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 39
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1472 times:
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FEARS are growing for a whale which swam up the Thames yesterday after losing its way in the North Sea.

It is the first time since 1913 that a northern bottlenose whale has been seen in the Thames. As word spread, hundreds of people rushed to the river to watch as it swam past the Houses of Parliament.

Experts are very concerned about the whale's chances of making it back to sea, about 60 kilometres downstream. If it becomes stranded it may have to be put down.


http://smh.com.au/news/world/lost-wh...uise/2006/01/21/1137734186410.html

-Gofly  Smile


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User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

It died.








 Sad


User currently offlineABfemme From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

So sad

 sorry 


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Aww.

In the 24 hours the story was on the front pages, 22000 children in the world have died of preventable pneumonia, diarrhoea, measles, malaria and malnutrition.

Imagine September 11th times four and a half, where all the victims were children under five.

If you're going to get sad about something, I would suggest there are much worse things to cry about than a lowly whale.


User currently offlineIceTitan447 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3):
In the 24 hours the story was on the front pages, 22000 children in the world have died of preventable pneumonia, diarrhoea, measles, malaria and malnutrition.

Imagine September 11th times four and a half, where all the victims were children under five.

If you're going to get sad about something, I would suggest there are much worse things to cry about than a lowly whale.

WOW, you weren't impressed with the whale?


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3):
Aww.

In the 24 hours the story was on the front pages, 22000 children in the world have died of preventable pneumonia, diarrhoea, measles, malaria and malnutrition.

Imagine September 11th times four and a half, where all the victims were children under five.

If you're going to get sad about something, I would suggest there are much worse things to cry about than a lowly whale.

Empathy is not a question of either/or.

Tragedy goes on around the world in many places and many ways, but if you are unable to feel anything for another intelligent being, ill and in distress, then I can only offer you my sympathy for being somewhat less than human yourself.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3):
Aww.

Typical from 777236 . . . I feel sorry for your inability to feel for this creature. Even a tad bit. Must be terrible for you . . . always being so negative.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 5):
but if you are unable to feel anything for another intelligent being, ill and in distress, then I can only offer you my sympathy for being somewhat less than human yourself.

It's not a question about sympathy, it's a question of scale. I feel a lot more for the 22000 more intelligent children, for crying out loud, that have died of preventable diseases, and all you can do is lambast me for not feeling sympathy for the whale?

The story has been all over the front pages and at the top of all radio and TV news. Don't you think there are slightly more important things to be concerned about?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Must be terrible for you . . . always being so negative.

Oh, boo hoo. Because I feel a bit more sympathy for tens of thousands of dead children over a single whale this makes me 'terrible' and 'negative'?


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

777236ER has his opinion.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3):
In the 24 hours the story was on the front pages, 22000 children in the world have died of preventable pneumonia, diarrhoea, measles, malaria and malnutrition.

And you did not do anything to help these children.

Now that's sad using your rationale.
 Yeah sure



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 8):
And you did not do anything to help these children.

How do you know I did nothing?


User currently offlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1331 times:
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What will happen to the whale corpse? Will it be removed or simply left in the river to decompose?

Good day to all  Smile

Russell



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User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
How do you know I did nothing?

Your attitude of your posts on here. That's how.

Case closed!

(again)



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 7):
It's not a question about sympathy, it's a question of scale. I feel a lot more for the 22000 more intelligent children, for crying out loud, that have died of preventable diseases, and all you can do is lambast me for not feeling sympathy for the whale?

It's not a competition, and I find it slightly disturbing you seem to think it is. Empathising with a possibly sentient being that was highly stressed and terrified and ultimately lost its life does not preclude anything else. I do not lambast you for anything, but I do question the mentality of someone who seems to believe that because there are other terrible things in the world, it is somehow wrong to have a normal, human response to seeing a fellow mammal in distress.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 7):
The story has been all over the front pages and at the top of all radio and TV news. Don't you think there are slightly more important things to be concerned about?

An arguable point, certainly. But quite frankly, given what you wrote before, it is more than slightly sanctimonious. There is endless media coverage of many things that are irrelevant in comparison. You don't respond in such a manner to everything else, you wait for a being to die. Strange.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1319 times:

Whale Steaks on the Eel n Pie stand tonight then? Big grin

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1319 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
given what you wrote before, it is more than slightly sanctimonious.

That's a slam dunk!

 laughing 



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2370 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 7):

It's not a question about sympathy, it's a question of scale. I feel a lot more for the 22000 more intelligent children, for crying out loud, that have died of preventable diseases, and all you can do is lambast me for not feeling sympathy for the whale?

Noone suggested that you shouldn't. Is it not possible to feel sympathy with both the children and the whale for you? Noone in here said that they feel more sorry for the whale than all those children so stop letting out trash ok?


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
Empathising with a possibly sentient being that was highly stressed and terrified and ultimately lost its life does not preclude anything else.

The problem is that more than not there isn't anything else. The wailing (!) cardigan-wearing hippies and the slightly confused business men on the Thames creating that oh! so juxtaposed shot the papers love may worry a bit about the whale, but will likely almost never think about the much much more serious problems in the world.

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
I do not lambast you for anything, but I do question the mentality of someone who seems to believe that because there are other terrible things in the world, it is somehow wrong to have a normal, human response to seeing a fellow mammal in distress.

There's nothing wrong with feeling empathy for the whale, but when the empathy is totally above any reasonable amount, then there's cause for concern. For half of yesterday we saw continuous aerial shots of...the Thames. Occasionally there was a blob with a slightly bored-sounding commentator telling us how this is the first time 'since records began' a whale has been spotted swimming up the Thames.

Was there honestly nothing else in the public interest for those hours?

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
But quite frankly, given what you wrote before, it is more than slightly sanctimonious.

Don't think I don't feel sympathy for the whale. I think it's a sad things, but there are much much sadder things going on in the world.

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
You don't respond in such a manner to everything else, you wait for a being to die.

Because stories about who Sven is banging at the moment, or who's being evicted from the Big Brother house are usually harmless. The mass outpouring of grief - and that's what it is - from the media at times like these just goes to show how the priorities of many people are really out of whack.


User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1286 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3):
Aww.

In the 24 hours the story was on the front pages, 22000 children in the world have died of preventable pneumonia, diarrhoea, measles, malaria and malnutrition.

Imagine September 11th times four and a half, where all the victims were children under five.

If you're going to get sad about something, I would suggest there are much worse things to cry about than a lowly whale.



Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 8):
And you did not do anything to help these children.


How do you know I did nothing?

but according to your post in another thread there is nothing you cannot do! your perfect aren't you?


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 17):
but according to your post in another thread there is nothing you cannot do! your perfect aren't you?

It was a joke. Although, you mean 'you're'.  Wink

Why is this turning into an attack against me? Maybe I do sound sanctimonious, but I merely said that there is a MASSIVE difference between the death of one whale and the thousands upon thousands of human deaths that occur each day that are preventable.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 7):
h, boo hoo. Because I feel a bit more sympathy for tens of thousands of dead children over a single whale this makes me 'terrible' and 'negative'?

I feel no less sympathy for the poor, wasted lives of some of the children on the planet than you do . . .

I feel sorry for this mammal, and empathize - occasionally we get dozens of whales stranded in Cook Inlet here and their plight is covered well on the news - we (Alaskans) just don't bitch about it like it's nothing.

The point of this thread however, was the plight of this particular whale . . . and, in true A-Net fashion, there's always at least one member that must come along and ruin a thread simply because the sentiment isn't the same. . . adding absolutely frickin' nothing to the thread at all.

All that is required is to not say a damn thing . . . descretion is the better part of valor - and also proves who the adults are and who the children are . . . mentally anyway . . .

Nuf Said . . .


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 19):
The point of this thread however, was the plight of this particular whale . . . and, in true A-Net fashion, there's always at least one member that must come along and ruin a thread simply because the sentiment isn't the same. . . adding absolutely frickin' nothing to the thread at all.

Ok, so 'so sad  Sad' adds something to a thread that's ultimately just a posting of news, but a reasonable and valid point about the scale of suffering in the world is called 'ruining the thread'?

Trust me, the whale isn't looking down from heaven, upset because we're not all weeping over its loss.


User currently offlineBrettbrett21 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1264 times:

Simply put:

A whale swimming up the Thames is news, in that it is an unusual event and people are interested.

22,000 children dieing everyday isn't an unusual event because it happens exactly that, every day. You can't really expect to read the same headline every day.

Its a shame that its become so common that 22,000 people dieing everyday isn't news......nowhere near that scale, but also a shame, is a whale swimming up the Thames and dieing!


Good day to you all!


brett



i'm so excited i wish i could wet my pants!
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 18):
Why is this turning into an attack against me? Maybe I do sound sanctimonious,

Yes, you do, I'm afraid. The thing is, some of your points, about the way the media offer saturation coverage of items like these is a very valid one, and certainly worthy of discussion; but dismissing the sadness of this particular animal's death as you initially did weakens those points.

I notice you've modified your responses further on, and perhaps it was just an intemperate first post of the kind that we've all done occasionally. If so, that's unfortunate, and perhaps it might be best to come clean on that point.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 18):
Why is this turning into an attack against me?

cos no one likes you  Wink


User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1247 times:
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As much as I feel for this animal, and yes, it is upsetting, I have to say, I'm pretty sure worse things happen to animals each day.
Yes fine, it is terrible, but Im now getting people on MSN tell me to add a rose to my username as a mark of respect for the whale. Im sorry, but that is pushing it. Last time I put a rose in my username was in honor of the victims of 7/7, quite a jump from a dead whale.
777236ER I agree with your view, and your post made me laugh because of your perspective.
People, learn to get over the whale.

Kev.



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25 777236ER : The point I was making all along is that any significant display of grief over this event is misguided. A whale is lowly compared to 22000 children.
26 Post contains images Banco : Really? Oh dear. No, I agree with you entirely that people can and do go entirely over the top. Personally, it's a mild, brief sadness and nothing mo
27 Post contains images 777236ER : Why did no one laugh at my 'wailing' joke?
28 Banco : (My bold above) Of course it is! But I'm not sure that "It died" and "So sad" really are significant displays of grief. I would agree that it is sad
29 Post contains images 777236ER : Ok, perhaps no one on this website went overboard (!), but when the commentary of the might Bradford City match was interrupted, it annoyed me a bit.
30 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : To borrow a phrase from you..."How do you know?" Why use a shovel when you can use a.... Burried and done!
31 Jamesbuk : I have three theory's on what they'll do with its body 1. put it on display at a british marine museum 2. let pedigree (dog food) bring out a limeted
32 FlyKev : Im now waiting for the 1 minute silence, a memorial, the renaming of LHR airport (to become London Whale Int., London free willy international or like
33 MD-90 : What a bunch of crap. It's a whale, not a human being. Far more worthy of our attention than a whale swimming up a river. Bull sharks in the Mississi
34 777236ER : Whales are swimming into cities and dying, MD-90 agrees with me...is the apocalypse coming? Can I still repent?
35 MD-90 : There's still time! Hurry!
36 MD-90 : There really are people who are whale autopsy technicians.
37 Espion007 : You know your a real downer?
38 Msllsmith : I have to admit that I HAVEN'T EVEN SCANNED THIS THREAD..... but, I do have sympathy and empathy for this little critter. I ALSO have a grandson who's
39 A346Dude : Millions of people are saddened by the death of this whale. Yet, tonight they might enjoy a steak without even a thought as to the animal it came from
40 777236ER : The entire thing has been pretty interesting, if a bit scary. They surrounded it with speakers in the water in order to surrounded it with a 'wall of
41 Post contains links L-188 : Do you remember 1986, when those three grays got caught in the ice up by Barrow? After a couple weeks ok dinking around with AKANG CH-54's dropping w
42 Post contains images ABfemme :
43 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Not one damn bit. A whole different perspective . . . . . . . Dynamite! ""A parked car over a quarter of a mile from the blast site was the target of
44 MD-90 : Yeah, he can be really pragmatic at times. I read the Reader's Digest condensed version of the book about the event. It was interesting.
45 L-188 : You know this raises the same question that I had when the news about using rock music to torture afghani prisoners and to drive out Manuel Noriega c
46 L-188 : Yeah it was a pretty impressive explosion in the video.
47 Andz : I was thinking the same thing before I came upon your post, familiarity breeds contempt and God knows there have been enough headlines about human tr
48 Kevinl1011 : Didn't I tell you not to flush that thing down the loo!
49 Post contains images Vaporlock : I saw the coverage on TV Friday night and it was very sad to learn that it died..... Phyllis
50 Post contains images Skidmarks : Wonder if they do chips with it? Whale Steak n chips! Yummy! Andy
51 Shamrock350 : I feel sorry for the people that have worked to save it the past two days and got to know "Wally" although I liked the name "Tiny". Imagine standing n
52 Post contains images MidnightMike : Not enough room to fit 22,000 children of the front page of the newspaper...
53 Post contains images NWOrientDC10 : No! You are accursed and will be sent to the nether world where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth On a more serious note, although I disagree wi
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