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Most Reasonably Priced Places To Live In Europe?  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4121 times:

I was just wondering if there were any opinions on the most reasonably priced places to live in Europe, considering that you would want a balance of amenities with price.

For example, it might be very inexpensive to live in certain former Eastern Bloc countries, but the amenities there may be less than one would expect from Western Europe.

Where in Europe would you get the best value for the money? Here in the 'States, I would guess that the Midwest (somewhere near Chicago) would get you some decent values (in terms of home prices, cost of living, etc.). By contrast, Los Angeles (and especially the nicer parts of it) cannot be deemed to be particularly good for those looking for value per dollar; our housing prices here are some of the highest in the nation.

Paris is said to be very expensive, but what about Bonn? What about Prague? I would imagine that there are a lot of plans for redevelopment in places in the former Eastern Bloc and that there would be value added accordingly.

Thanks for your answers.

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User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Most Reasonably Priced Places To Live In Europe?

Scotland.... it has absolutely nothing to offer apart from cold weather and weak beer  mischievous 


User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4102 times:



User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4099 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 1):
Scotland.... it has absolutely nothing to offer apart from cold weather and weak beer

And Sean Connery, besides!

 Wink

And to 9VSPO -- you forgot to point out the future location of an Evil Lair!

 Silly


User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 2):

Looks like Aldermaston to me... about 10 miles away.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3789 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

Absolutely best place: Bratislava, capital of Slovakia. Nothing beats Slovakia, in terms of pricing, and Bratislava is only one hour away from Vienna. Infrastructure is good, amenities are good, public transportation is good, so altogether it is a great place to live.

Germany is pretty cheap compared to other European coutries, as well, because of only 16% VAT.

The nordic countries generally are very expensive, because of very high taxes and wages.

Bonn... Well, I study here... Very nice, but finding a flat in the Südstadt (old houses from around 1900) is VERY difficult... Rent for one room in a Südstadt house is around 300EUR (expensive for Germany), but if you have a car and live somewhat outside it is getting cheaper. Good for Bonn: Great infrastructure (Fra 1hour by train, CGN 10minutes, many Autobahnen, only 2-3 hours to Amsterdam, only 2 hours to Brussels, a lot of LCCs fly to CGN).


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3985 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

I found Riga, Latvia to be extremely cheap... and the infrastructure / amenities were far better than I'd imagined!

User currently offlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2191 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 1):
Scotland.... it has absolutely nothing to offer apart from cold weather and weak beer

You don't half talk a fair amount of shite!

How about you shut your mouth and give your arse a chance for once .......  Smile

Scotland may be a bit colder than England, but for any englishman to accuse the Scots of producing weak beer - you're obviously short-sighted and have tried using rose tinted glasses to correct it!



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 5):
Nothing beats Slovakia, in terms of pricing, and Bratislava is only one hour away from Vienna.

Vienna! What a great city. One of my best friend is of Austrian extraction, and his parents are immigrants from that country. Wonderful people.

I would love to live near Vienna. I wish I knew how to speak German, though. I guess I could learn.  Smile


User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 7):
Scotland may be a bit colder than England, but for any englishman to accuse the Scots of producing weak beer - you're obviously short-sighted and have tried using rose tinted glasses to correct it!

Guess I should have gone to Specsavers


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 5):
Absolutely best place: Bratislava, capital of Slovakia. Nothing beats Slovakia, in terms of pricing, and Bratislava is only one hour away from Vienna.



Or outside of Berlin, maybe Potsdam. Although prices didn't exactly go down there, it's still reasonably priced and Potsdam offers a beautifully restored center, the famous Sanssouci and some nice lakes. You'll find every product for your daily life including durables in Potsdam and if you want to see a bigger concert a football (sorry: soccer) game or whatever: Downtown Berlin is some 30 minutes away (and beats Vienna when it comes to cultural life). And if you still think 9 - 15 Euro for having you hair cut was too much, hop in your car and drive to Poland. Don't forget to fill your car up while you are there.

[Edited 2006-01-25 20:13:04]


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User currently offlineLindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4041 times:
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I think as far as Western European capitals go, Berlin can't be beat, particularly when it comes to rent but also in terms of groceries and other basic necessities (beer and coffee). London and Paris are far more expensive, and even Amsterdam has gotten a lot pricier in the last few years. As an American, I find the cost of living compares favorably to coastal California and Connecticut where I last lived while in the USA. It's only the consumer goods - clothing, electronics, etc. which can be a good bit more expensive than back at home.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

Berlin, Berlin, Berlin, Berlin, Berlin, Berlin. It is actually cheaper to live there than in New Orleans, which is one of the cheapest large cities in the US. Actually, all of Germany (except maybe Munich) is rather reasonable. Patrick (Sabena332) will remember me laughing at his complaints about how much he pays for his great apartment in one of the best parts of Hamburg


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3996 times:
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Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 3):
Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 1):
Scotland.... it has absolutely nothing to offer apart from cold weather and weak beer

And Sean Connery, besides!

except that he hasn't lived there in years



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
except maybe Munich

.. and Frankfurt and Duesseldorf and Freiburg.

Edit:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Patrick (Sabena332) will remember me laughing at his complaints about how much he pays for his great apartment in one of the best parts of Hamburg

Which is it if I may ask?

[Edited 2006-01-25 22:52:46]


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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3789 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3979 times:

I didn't mention Berlin so far, but you are absolutely correct. Berlin is a cool, cheap place to live.

However, I would not choose Potsdam. While it is a nice city, I think it is too far away from Berlin, because Berlin is huge... I lived one mounth in Moabit, not really the best place maybe, but very close to the center...


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 15):
I lived one mounth in Moabit, not really the best place maybe, but very close to the center

There may be some nice spots, but generally speaking, Moabit isn't the best place to stay. Friedrichshain is almost as close to the center and rental fees are still very affordable, but life is generally nicer there.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 3):
Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 1):
Scotland.... it has absolutely nothing to offer apart from cold weather and weak beer

And Sean Connery, besides!

Are you you sure he even lives there? I thought he was pretty much a full time resident of the Bahamas.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
Vienna! What a great city. One of my best friend is of Austrian extraction, and his parents are immigrants from that country. Wonderful people

A very nice city, but it isn't exactly cheap.


User currently onlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Well, Budapest seems reasonably priced and it is a beautiful city. The last time I've been there (2003) renting an appartment there was still cheaper than Belgrade but it might have changed in the meantime.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week ago) and read 3912 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 15):
However, I would not choose Potsdam. While it is a nice city, I think it is too far away from Berlin, because Berlin is huge... I lived one mounth in Moabit, not really the best place maybe, but very close to the center...

Potsdam is a straight shot on the S-bahn or a RegionalExpress train, so not so bad

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
Which is it if I may ask?

Not sure, ask him

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
.. and Frankfurt and Duesseldorf and Freiburg.

I am not sure about Freiburg, but I have several friends in Frankfurt and rents there are definately not expensive at all. As far as Duesseldorf goes, having heard Patrick's comparison of it to "expensive" Hamburg, it isn't bad at all either.



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User currently offlineDuke From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 1155 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Don't forget to factor in the question of how much people earn. Here in Prague, it's amazingly cheap when you bring your home-earned dollars, euros or pounds. A half-litre beer here in a pub is about 75 cents to 1 US dollar, including micro-brewed beer. If you buy it in the supermarket, it will be more like 40 cents (and bad beer maybe 15 or 20 cents!). But it gets more expensive when you're earning local money and your purchasing power goes down. Still, I would say Prague is reasonable in many ways. The transit system is excellent and passes are very cheap. In a pub you can get a good meal for about 5 or 6 dollars (but note: there is relatively little real fast food here. With some exceptions you have the choice of 1) cafeterias where you stand eating greasy food 2) McDonalds and other Western and similar local chains that charge you similar prices as in the West). Housing is relatively expensive in Prague, as in any European metropolis, when the prices are adjusted for local purchasing power.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Quoting Duke (Reply 20):
Here in Prague, it's amazingly cheap when you bring your home-earned dollars, euros or pounds.

Not so much anymore



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User currently offlineFlyingbabydoc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 15):
Berlin is a cool, cheap place to live.

Dresden is only 1,5 hours away from Berlin and, although much smaller, has a terrific cultural life with yet lower prices. The infra-structure has been completely rebuilt (I hear wessies complaining already) and it is a lively, modern city. Besides Berlin, Prague is only 146 Km away, the mountains of the Erzgebirge allow great skiing and you can easily spend a weekend in Krakow or in München if you desire.

Quoting Duke (Reply 20):
Here in Prague, it's amazingly cheap when you bring your home-earned dollars, euros or pounds.

I have been visiting Prague since before the fall of communism (first time in 1989) and thereafter at least 6-7 times a year. I am amazed how much the prices have been inflated there. You could have a nice meal in a restaurant like say the "reykjavik" for 6-7 €, now you must get ready for 18-20 € in the same place. Although the public transportation is still cheap, hotels have hiked up their prices around 150-200% in the last 5 years (I have heard that from a friend who works in a travel agency. I have no reference to substantiate it other than my own observation).

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Not so much anymore

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I think Verona is a city that combines a good lifestyle with good prices.

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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Not so much anymore

This is soo true. Prices of real estates are getting totally out of control (especially if you are on standard local income) and as if it wasn't bad enough already, prices will skyrocket by at least 14% in 2007 because some moron in Brussels for some reason feels there should be uniform VAT rates and therefore construction works will move from 5% bracket up to 19%.


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 7):
Scotland may be a bit colder than England, but for any englishman to accuse the Scots of producing weak beer - you're obviously short-sighted and have tried using rose tinted glasses to correct it!



Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 9):
Guess I should have gone to Specsavers

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 



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