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Man Punches Teachers Aide: Gets Father Of The Year  
User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

http://www.comcast.net/news/national...OMESTIC&fn=/2006/01/25/311756.html

Teachers aide inappropriately touches this guys daughter, guy ends up punching the aide..

Then a local radio station names the guy father of the year.

I've gotta agree with that.. Nice to see a dad sticking up for his daughter.. And sticking it in the @$$es face who did it.

Chris


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Wait a second. The guy attacked someone who was not attacking him. The police hadn't arrested the aide yet and the guy was supposed to be there for some sort of meeting regarding the issue. He broke the law and they give him an award. That is not right.


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
That is not right.

Neither is touching someone elses kid.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3007 times:
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Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
http://www.comcast.net/news/national...OMESTIC&fn=/2006/01/25/311756.html

Teachers aide inappropriately touches this guys daughter, guy ends up punching the aide..

I think your wording should be


"Teachers aide accused of inappropriately touching mans daughter ....man takes law into own hands"

none of us know what actually happened , unless you have access to some information that you are not sharing ? or have you just decided the aide is 'guilty until proven innocent' ?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 2):
Neither is touching someone elses kid.

Of course not, and neither is touching your own kid, but the point is that charges hadn't even been filed (at least it is not mentioned in the article). As much as the aide did not have a right to do what he is alleged to have done, this guy didn't have a right to punch him



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2999 times:
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Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 2):
Neither is touching someone elses kid.

I dont think that it has been established that he did ... just that he has been accused which is not the same thing at all .



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User currently offlineLeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

When will people learn that violence isn't automatically the solution to everything?!  banghead 

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

Unless this man witnessed this man touching his daughter inappropriately, he has no business punching someone out. He should have found out exactly what happened, and gone to authorities.

Unfortunately, some Americans think it's great when someone takes the law into their own hands. We end up making heroes out of thugs.

If this teachers' aid did do this, and we're innocent till proven guilty, then he should be arrested and charged by law enforcement. Some macho parent taking the law into his own hands isn't heroic-it's stupidity.


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Speaking of protecting children... anyone who is this incapable of controlling their emotions and any resulting physical actions should be immediately evaluated by a psychiatrist. The daughter (and any other children in the house) should be removed and placed with relatives pending the results of the evaluation.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 8):
Speaking of protecting children... anyone who is this incapable of controlling their emotions and any resulting physical actions should be immediately evaluated by a psychiatrist. The daughter (and any other children in the house) should be removed and placed with relatives pending the results of the evaluation.

That might be going a bit far, especially if it's a first instance of such an outburst, but there's no doubt this guy isn't heroic, and he should be punished for assult. And if the aid did do something inappropriate, he should be punished as well.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 8):
The daughter (and any other children in the house) should be removed and placed with relatives pending the results of the evaluation

Yeah, foster care....that is really going to screw those kids up.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
Some macho parent taking the law into his own hands isn't heroic

If it where your daughter, do you seriously think you would have been that calm???



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User currently offlineFutureUALpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

After reading the article and finding out that the girl is 15yrs. old, and the father assumes she never lies (has he ever dealt with a 15yr. old girl before, or is his daughter the only one...?), I don't approve of what he did.


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User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
That might be going a bit far, especially if it's a first instance of such an outburst

Neither of us know the man, but I have a hard time believing this is the first time he let his emotions get the best of him. That is not something that happens once - it is more of a pattern. I would guess he has frequent bouts of road rage, etc. Considering the man admits he knew it was wrong but could not control himself, it is the prudent course.

He is quite adamant about his daughter not lying to him. What if she did lie to him about something and he found out about it? With a temper like his, I sure wouldn't want to be her.


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Yeah, foster care....that is really going to screw those kids up.

So now living with relatives for a few days until the dad can be evaluated is considered 'foster care'? I agree that foster care is typically not the best answer, but you should really bone up on your terminology.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
Unless this man witnessed this man touching his daughter inappropriately, he has no business punching someone out. He should have found out exactly what happened, and gone to authorities.

I hope your kids never get molested. I wonder how you'd react.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
none of us know what actually happened , unless you have access to some information that you are not sharing ? or have you just decided the aide is 'guilty until proven innocent' ?

Innocent and guilt are criminal law issues. This man wasn't acting under the authority of the government therefore innocent until proven guilty is irrelevant. What he did was illegal and he paid the price for it.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
Wait a second. The guy attacked someone who was not attacking him. The police hadn't arrested the aide yet and the guy was supposed to be there for some sort of meeting regarding the issue. He broke the law and they give him an award. That is not right.

You liberal apologist want to give everyone but the victim the benefit of the doubt. If this guy molested the child then the father did the community a service by exposing this POS for what he is. If the aid didn't due it, he can pursue civil remedies for battery and defamation.

I find it funny that the same people who can't wait to jump all over the Catholic church for its abuse scandals are falling over themselves rushing to the defense of this aid. Just one more example of liberal hypocrisy.


User currently offlineEWROwznj00 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

Hmm, so being father of the year gets you Daytona 500 tickets according to the article...

You would think defending his daughter's honor would be worth more.


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 14):
I find it funny that the same people who can't wait to jump all over the Catholic church for its abuse scandals are falling over themselves rushing to the defense of this aid. Just one more example of liberal hypocrisy.

Sorry bro, but if the parents of those molested children went around beating priests, no sane person would condone it.


User currently offlineLentigomaligna From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
If it where your daughter, do you seriously think you would have been that calm???

Just because some may sympathize with someone's motives doesn't justify their actions. This guy is neither father of the year nor is he as bad as someone who assaults someone for fun. He's a guy who overreacted to the situation...and should be held accountable accordingly.

Even when such action is understandable, we can't let individuals become vigilantes who punish others for their (alleged) crimes.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

This father is way out of line, and the station that is calling him "Father of the Year" without all the facts is flat out irresponsible. Until the school has had an opportunity to investigate, no judgement can be made.

I spent three years working in administration in an urban school district. A good share of my job was talking to parents and investigating the allegations made by students against staff. Well over 90% of the claims were unfounded, and in most cases, were retaliatory by the student for bad grades, discipline, etc. If the aide did touch this girl inappropriately, then I hope he gets everything coming to him, including a very 'friendly' bunk mate named bubba. But in the meantime this kid has learned that she can make any kind of accusation and daddy is going to punch them out for her.



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 16):
Sorry bro, but if the parents of those molested children went around beating priests, no sane person would condone it

Read this story http://ap.washingtontimes.com/dynami...AN_SLAYING?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOME all the way through and tell me if sane people won't be enraged at hearing a POS like this boast about how he molested and was planning to continue molesting kids.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
If it where your daughter, do you seriously think you would have been that calm???

Calm? No. I'd be mad as hell with such an accusation, but you seem to be saying it's OK to just take things into your own hand, before finding out any facts, and just rearranging someone's face. That's called assult. Now, he may have to tell his daughter why he got convicted of a crime, because that's assult.

I would do what normal people, who don't automatically think their fists are the answer to everything would do: call the school, go see the Principal, find out what happened, and if this guy did do this, have him prosecuted and convicted.

Quoting Pope (Reply 14):
I hope your kids never get molested. I wonder how you'd react.

Read above, bonehead.

Quoting Pope (Reply 14):
What he did was illegal and he paid the price for it.

And what if it turns out this guy did NOTHING, Pope, and this guy just punched him out because his daugter lied to him? Kids are known to do that on occasion.

Great human being you are-punch first, and find out later what the truth is. I see you're not only that way in foreign policy. I guess you just naturally admire thugs.

Quoting Pope (Reply 14):
You liberal apologist

There you go again! With you, everything is "liberal, liberal, liberal." You don't even think before you say that anymore. Cut the shit out. This guy cracked someone a fist sandwich before he apparently found out what even happend-and thug-lovers like you think the guy is some sort of hero. He's a thug; he's a hothead. Give the guy a reward? Yeah, some jail time.

You are so fracked up, Pope, that it isn't even funny. You're really off the map, dude.

Quoting Pope (Reply 14):
If the aid didn't due it, he can pursue civil remedies for battery and defamation.

Yeah, too fucking bad, dude. Guy rearranged your face, but he, he's just a hero anyway for doing it to you.

Patheitc, Pope. Just pathetic.  Silly


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
Yeah, too fucking bad, dude. Guy rearranged your face, but he, he's just a hero anyway for doing it to you.

Funny how someone who rants about rights all the time is getting all upset because some private party gave this guy a title that doesn't mean squat. Are you advocating that government step in and ban this radio show from bestowing this award?

The guy obviously broke the law and the matter was handled by the authorities. He paid his price to society and if he was wrong he'll be subject to civil remedies - what else do you want?

After your post from the other day I now understand why you want to stand up for the little guy but honestly, you need to chill out. The law has worked. It seems that you get more worked up about some bubba punching a purported child molestor in the mouth than you do about people trying to attack our country. It seems that your priorities are out of whack.

By the way, I've never called this guy a hero even by implication. Can I understand the rage he probably felt? Yes. Do I think his behavior is something to be proud of? No.

You just make stuff up in your head and then start fighting with phantom positions. Time to chill out Napolean.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Yeah, foster care....that is really going to screw those kids up.

I thought that foster care was usually tasked with taking care of kids who were already at risk. Thus, how can you be so confident that it was in fact the foster care that screwed them up?

Quoting Pope (Reply 14):
I hope your kids never get molested. I wonder how you'd react.

Everyone's human, but going around punching people is generally something disturbed people do. If you're truly worried about this girl's future, then why not be suspicious of the father's actions as well?

Quoting Pope (Reply 14):
This man wasn't acting under the authority of the government therefore innocent until proven guilty is irrelevant.

Innocent Until Proven Guilty is one of the true AMERICAN FAMILY VALUES. And here in America, it is always relevant.

Quoting Pope (Reply 14):
You liberal apologist want to give everyone but the victim the benefit of the doubt.

At this point the only victim we know of for certain is the man whom your father-of-the-year attacked.


Quoting Pope (Reply 14):
If this guy molested the child then the father did the community a service by exposing this POS for what he is

Once again...IF. The American judicial system is founded on the premise of that IF being interpreted as innocent until proven otherwise. What this means in very simple terms is that we are willing to let a few guilty people go free in order to avoid unnecessarily punishing an innocent man.

Quoting Pope (Reply 14):
If the aid didn't due it, he can pursue civil remedies for battery and defamation.

That's called Guilty Until Proven Innocent and it is NOT an AMERICAN FAMILY VALUE.

Quoting Pope (Reply 14):
I find it funny that the same people who can't wait to jump all over the Catholic church for its abuse scandals are falling over themselves rushing to the defense of this aid. Just one more example of liberal hypocrisy.

I find it funny that the same people who are so protective of the "victim" are so blind that they can't even see who the victim is. Just one more example of blind ignorance.

[Edited 2006-01-26 00:21:29]


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 21):
Funny how someone who rants about rights all the time is getting all upset because some private party gave this guy a title that doesn't mean squat.

Funny how someone like you who doesn't give a damn about rights has no problem with someone arranging someone else's face before finding out the truth. But then again, you seem to enjoy thuggery, Pope.  Smile

Quoting Pope (Reply 21):
Are you advocating that government step in and ban this radio show from bestowing this award?

No, I'm ranting because people like you make heroes of guys like this who are, in the end, nothing more than bullies and thugs. He should be in prison, but you praise his sorry ass. Dude should have gone through proper channels, and if this aid had indeed done this, seen him prosecuted. But no, he has to go bloody his nose to show he has testicles. He's a loser. Wonder what that makes you.

Quoting Pope (Reply 21):
He paid his price to society and if he was wrong he'll be subject to civil remedies - what else do you want?

I want people like you to stop making heroes and respected people out of common thugs, that's what I want. But I guess that's asking too much.

Quoting Pope (Reply 21):
It seems that your priorities are out

Whatever. My priorities are just fine. I'm not one who advocates shoot first and ask questions later, as you do. So I think my priorities are just fine, my friend. I think yours need a little work, but that's your problem, not mine.

Quoting Pope (Reply 21):
You just make stuff up in your head

And there lies your most ignorant statement of the day, Pope.

Remember: Support Your Neighborhood Thug.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2893 times:
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Gotta weigh in here and say that unless the man had concrete evidence that his daughter was assaulted by the aide then he should have held off. I have difficulty blaming him for being angry, but he needs to control himself.

There is a line between lynch mobs and this behaviour that is not too difficult to cross. It looks like the system was set up to separate the two while the matter was being investigated.

That said.....I don't know how any of us would react if it was our daughter who came home and said that someone touched them inappropriately.



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25 NWA742 : Unless he saw the aide do it, he shouldn't have it him. I mean sure, I would be completely and thoroughly pissed off if I was him, and the aide would
26 ANCFlyer : First - with my cop hat on: The "father" is guilty of Assualt, plain and simple, and he'll be dealt with. The aide has yet to be charged, and until he
27 Post contains images Falcon84 : If you see it happen, you're justified ripping his gonads off and stuffing them down his throat.
28 FSPilot747 : I agree with the father. FSP
29 Falcon84 : Boy, that was enlightening....not.
30 Post contains images NWA742 : Same here, it would be very tempting. I know I said the guy shouldn't have hit the aide, but I wasn't in his position either. Damn straight. -NWA742
31 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Yup, with Logans Grapefruit Spoon . . .
32 Post contains images Falcon84 : Every guy reading this on Anet just says "oooooh!", and doubles over at the thought.
33 Pope : And again all the left wing nuts can't even take the time to read what I've posted. I've never condoned what this guy did or said I was happy he did i
34 Falcon84 : And again, only a right-wing nut would make it into a lefty-righty thing. You're so far gone that you'll never get back, Pope. You're just off the ch
35 Pope : Go ahead I dare you. I've not said anything praising this guy. Prove me wrong.[Edited 2006-01-26 02:16:55]
36 Falcon84 : I quoted it above. Read your own words: "You liberal apologist want to give everyone but the victim the benefit of the doubt. If this guy molested th
37 Pope : Sorry Alphafalcon but I'm not saying that he did the community a service. The sentence reads "IF this guy molested the child, then the father did the
38 Falcon84 : Right, Pope. No doubt you approve at least somewhat of what this clown did. You're right he'll get his punishment, but let's stop making heroes of peo
39 Pope : My quote is certainly there for everyone to see. Your only problem is that it doesn't say what you are attributing to me. You invent your own reality
40 Falcon84 : Whatever Pope. I'll let you have the last word, since you're such a great guy, and comment no further on what I've already said to you. It's all there
41 WrenchBender : Even if he did witness it, vigilantism is against the law. I feel sorry for all of you who condone this type af action. There is no justification for
42 Jean Leloup : Holy cow. If even NWA742 is granting the aide a stay of punishment until proven guilty, those of you taking the father's side already are perhaps eve
43 Flyingbronco05 : It hasn't been proven yet.
44 FSPilot747 : What are you in kindergarten? I was stating my opinion which, really, you can't dispute with the simple reason of "it's not right" or "it's against t
45 Tbar220 : Pope, No offense, but if you complain that people aren't taking you seriously, maybe stuff like this isn't helping. You don't have to polarize every d
46 Kiwiandrew : what do you mean 'what he did" ? were you there and you know 100% what happened ? or are you just going on hearsay like the rest of us ? I guess you
47 Cfalk : An attack against my child is an attack against me. There is no greater human drive than to protect your children. Not EVERYTHING, certainly. But som
48 Tbar220 : It IS a big deal because he's being rewarded for a violent action which was against the law. How can some users on this website scream about "the law
49 Itsjustme : I can't speak for the Florida penal system but here in CA, for someone to be charged with "Felony Battery", something more than just a punch in the f
50 SATX : I'd love to see an explanation for this as well.
51 Pope : The father admitted striking the teacher per the news report. That's not hearsay that's the person who was there admitting to what occured. In the st
52 DrDeke : Liberal hypocrisy? Do you see a lot of "liberals" suggesting that men walk into Catholic Churches and punch priests in the nose? I could be called a
53 Pope : I never claimed not to have had sympathy for what he did. But sympathy and praise are not one in the same. My problem here is that there are too many
54 Post contains links and images DrDeke : Mine and yours. See below. I made up the fact that you said Falcon has a reading disability? Allow me to refresh your memory: Now let me take you thr
55 MaverickM11 : After accepting the award, the father than beat the sh!t out of the daughter in a fit of uncontrolled elation. This sounds like a Lifetime movie wait
56 Post contains images DrDeke : See? You have just performed a "typical rabid-right-winger trick" (to frame it in the type of vocabulary you have been using throughout this thread)
57 Falcon84 : If you had read the article, you'd have read the aid was put on adminstrative leave until this is investigated fully. But that ruins what you're tryi
58 SATX : No, it's not good form, but it's also very common here. Basically, not enough people come around and call BS on it. Thus, we're at the mercy of a 'cr
59 Pope : If you read the article you'd see that the administrative leave wasn't ordered until after the attack. The article also says: "Swafford was charged w
60 Post contains images Falcon84 : Gee, Sherlock, no kidding the aid was put on leave AFTER THE ATTACK, because before the attacks, jackass father didn't bother taking it up with any s
61 N229NW : Mother of God, I agree with DL021 and NWA742. What is going on? Well said.
62 DrDeke : I shall have to pay more attention to your well-thought-out arguments in the future, especially since you put them so nicely. -DrDeke
63 Post contains links Searpqx : Interesting final note to this story - appears that it was indeed a false accusation. As I said in my earlier post, that's what the vast majority of t
64 Post contains images Falcon84 : Great, now asshole father looks like even more of an asshole. Guess what that makes Pope like? The Democratic "mascot" comes to mind.
65 L-188 : I don't consider going to stay with relatives "Foster Care". But up here at least there have been some critisim that DFYS has been too quick to pull
66 Nancy : I'm not surprised that accusation turned out to be false. It happens more than you would think. When my father was coaching he benched a kid for missi
67 Post contains links TPAnx : Both sides are sticking to their stories...the aide goes back to work Monday. Details here: http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/13732791.htm TPAnx
68 Nancy : One side has a video as evidence, the other side has "my daughter said it". I wonder who is more credible?
69 DL021 : This is another example of why teachers and parents should be working together rather than apart. It seems that the only times the average teacher and
70 Falcon84 : Chris, looks like you have to eat humble pie, since it seems the "daugther-that-never-lies" did just that, and asshole dad looks even more like an id
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