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Stakes On Alito Raised:Kerry Calls For Fillabuster  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

No details, but saw it on CNN in the office, but the sound is down.

More details to follow, I'm sure. Not even a link to a story yet.

This could get interesting.

[Edited 2006-01-26 22:16:11]

61 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineKSYR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Just more whining by the left...

They need to turn around and face the music- they lost this round. Time for them to stop wasting their time and start focusing on '08.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

There are several democrats who already said they were going to vote for Alito, and I think that the opportunity for a filibuster is minimal.

It would probably also backfire on the dems, sort of like the way this whole wiretapping issue has done.



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

If they want to filibuster, let them although I doubt it is going to happen. Kerry is just trying to appease the DUers, DailyKos, and other assorted moonbats.

There are already enough votes to invoke the Constitutional option and put and end to the filibuster of judicial nominees once and for all.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 3):
There are already enough votes to invoke the Constitutional option

"Constitutional Option." What a load of perverted garbage that term is.  Silly


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Of course Kerry did. The NYT ordered him to do it this morning.

I hope the GOP really makes him fillabuster. That way he'll have to stand and talk for the whole time. Remember, this is a guy that as the public found out more about him they liked him less. This is the guy who lost to the village idiot. This is the guy whose grades in Yale were lower than Bush's.

This is the guy who blew a 15 point lead in a presidential election.

I say let Kerry speak. Let Kennedy speak. Let the liberal nuts rant and rave. Alito will eventually get a vote (one way or another) and become the next justice of the Supreme Court. Even Robert (white is right) Byrd has come out in favor of Alito.

Let's up the nuclear status to Defcon 3 and spin up the weapons.


User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Maybe he could stand and read from Ted Kennedy's driving record....


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 5):
Of course Kerry did. The NYT ordered him to do it this morning.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Boy, you are one messed up hombre, Pope. And the sad thing is, you believe such crap.  Silly


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

The party-line vote in the Judicial committee was shameful, as were Feinstein's remarks about her litmus test for Alito. The dems just threw out 200+ years of respectful screening of supreme court justices. For them today, being an experienced and objective judge means nothing - you must be an ideological activist in their mould to qualify as a judge. Shameful...

User currently offlineIceTitan447 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Blow hard Kerry

Why do lefties follow such and Idiot, and Kennedy probably gave him a swat on the rear for this one.  Silly


User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8):
The dems just threw out 200+ years of respectful screening of supreme court justices

Actually, the radical right Republicans did it first by forcing Harriet Miers to withdraw before she even made it to the committee hearings. The committee members have every right to vote their individual consciences, as do the senate members as a whole. Clarence Thomas was only confirmed 52-48. How many justices have been confirmed 100-0? By your own definition, Roberts must be an "ideological activist" since he was confirmed so easily, and with quite a few Dems voting for him.



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Boy, you are one messed up hombre, Pope. And the sad thing is, you believe such crap.

Well let's see: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/opinion/26thur1.html?_r=1


User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1970 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

Quoting Tristarenvy (Reply 6):
Maybe he could stand and read from Ted Kennedy's driving record....

 rotfl 
Now I don't like Alito, but I have to admit that was a good one.



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User currently offlineFDXMECH From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8):
The dems just threw out 200+ years of respectful screening of supreme court justices.

These Dems are definitely the gang who couldn't think straight. God forbid if a Dem is elected president with a GOP held senate and a SC seat is open. The future Dem president thanks to these bunch of morons will be hamstrung in a nominee. No more Ginsberg types that's for sure (actually a very good thing IMO but irrelevant). Ginsberg by the way who's far left replaced a conservative justice with a 93 to 3 vote.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7423 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1841 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
This could get interesting

How many times have we heard this? There isn't going to be a filabuster, because they need all dems on the judicial commitees of both the house and the Senate to execute a filabuster, which they had 3 defectors so far this morning. There's talk there may be another forthcoming.

Quoting Dvk (Reply 10):
and with quite a few Dems voting for him.

3 to be exact at the moment.
Robert C "Sheets" Byrd is one of them voting for confirmation. I forget the other 2.

Quoting Pope (Reply 11):
Well let's see

Not only the NYT, but it's the core, kook base flatulating this message.



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User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 14):
Quoting Dvk (Reply 10):
and with quite a few Dems voting for him.

3 to be exact at the moment.

Read again, dude. I was talking about Roberts, not Alito.



I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 2):
There are several democrats who already said they were going to vote for Alito, and I think that the opportunity for a filibuster is minimal.

It would probably also backfire on the dems, sort of like the way this whole wiretapping issue has done.

Given the number of democratic senators up for election in "red" states this fall, I doubt there will be a filibuster. And if there is one, it will be short-lived.

The democrats are blowing it. The sole ground for not confirming Alito is partisan politics. He is eminently qualified, he has an outstanding judicial record, and no one can say he is NOT qualified.

Kerry and the democrats are idiots on this issue. Turning Alito's confirmation into a partisan litmus test is going to bite them in the rear next time they have a democrat in the White House.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

CNN's 5:30 news report on the "Situation Room" said that up to 70 Senators are expected to vote in favor of cloture. Proving yet again that nobody really cares what Kerry or Kennedy have to say and how out of touch MA is with the rest of the country.

Perhaps they should bring in Dukakis to lead the MA delegation to Congress.

[Edited 2006-01-26 23:45:54]

User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

Quoting KSYR (Reply 1):
Just more whining by the left...

Brought to our attention by more whining from the right?

Quoting KSYR (Reply 1):
They need to turn around and face the music- they lost this round. Time for them to stop wasting their time and start focusing on '08.

Nothing in '08 can undo a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court.


Quoting DL021 (Reply 2):
It would probably also backfire on the dems, sort of like the way this whole wiretapping issue has done.

Please give some concrete examples of how exactly another Bush lie 'backfired' on the Democrats? The Democrats may not be getting much traction out of it, but outside of FOX NEWS and Clearchannel who exactly is blaming the Democrats for yet another Bush fuckup?

Quoting B757300 (Reply 3):
There are already enough votes to invoke the Constitutional option and put and end to the filibuster of judicial nominees once and for all.

That, folks, is what we call a euphemism.

Quoting Pope (Reply 5):
Of course Kerry did. The NYT ordered him to do it this morning.

Where do you come up with this junk?

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8):
The party-line vote in the Judicial committee was shameful

As already stated, it's no more shameful than what happened to Harriot Miers. Also, casting shame on only one side of a party-line vote is just plain hypocritical. The conservatives are better at keeping everyone in a single voting block than the democrats. That's how the whole RINO revenge scheme got started.



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User currently offlineKSYR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 18):
Nothing in '08 can undo a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court.

Right, but why waste time fighting against someone who is going to be confirmed anyways?


User currently offlineJake056 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 14):
There isn't going to be a filabuster, because they need all dems on the judicial commitees of both the house and the Senate to execute a filabuster, which they had 3 defectors so far this morning.

The House has no role whatsoever in the conduct of the Senate.


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

While the NY Times did not "order" John Kerry to raise the specter of a filibuster, its editorial this morning was nothing short of shameful. I agree that the NYT has a right to put their views on their editorial page, but that piece this morning was verbatim what Daily Kos would put out, not the "paper of record".

With many Democrats saying either they will vote for Alito or not support a filibuster, I think this is just Kerry posturing to his base.

The leftist base is frustrated with their Democrats in the Senate having no backbone and are actively campaigning for a filibuster. So, a lot of Democrats are in a tough position. If they cater to the base in this Alito nomination, they are going against U.S. public opinion. If they ignore their base, it will cost them politically in terms of re-election chances, committee appointments and cash.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

Quoting Tristarenvy (Reply 6):
Maybe he could stand and read from Ted Kennedy's driving record....

That was classic, Tristarenvy! Excellent!  Silly


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Alito needs to be filibustered. He does not believe in the separation of powers, and despite the Supreme Court ruling in 2002 that candidates for judgeships can answer any questions about how they might rule in a given situation, he refuses to answer valid questions.

If the Constitution is going to have some respite from being undermined by repugnant government flacks, then it is imperative that Alito be filibustered. Anything to keep him off the bench.

He believes that the executive is above the law, and may violate whatever laws he pleases during wartime. Alito would probably approve of another tyrant like Lincoln.


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 23):
Alito needs to be filibustered. He does not believe in the separation of powers, and despite the Supreme Court ruling in 2002 that candidates for judgeships can answer any questions about how they might rule in a given situation, he refuses to answer valid questions.

If the Constitution is going to have some respite from being undermined by repugnant government flacks, then it is imperative that Alito be filibustered. Anything to keep him off the bench.

He believes that the executive is above the law, and may violate whatever laws he pleases during wartime. Alito would probably approve of another tyrant like Lincoln.

Please call Teddy Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, and Dianne Feinstein and just tell them how you feel. Write to them, email them, and generally put as much pressure on them to follow Kerry's lead.

I hope you succeed, as it will be so good for your democratic friends. It will come across so well to the American public, maybe as well as the Wellstone tribute did in 2002.



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25 Post contains images Jalto27R : It's like the Hartford Convention...with two people. Mike
26 StuckinMAF : Kerry is a dumbass. Enough said.
27 Falcon84 : What a thoughtful, insightful, intelligent response. Just what I would expect from someone who wants to wall off the Mexicans and mow them down. Utte
28 Post contains images StuckinMAF : I never said anything about "mowing them down". And in case you were too short-sighted to understand the concept, the wall will have proper ports-of-
29 StuckinMAF : Oh, and BTW, you misspelled "Filibuster" in your topic title.[Edited 2006-01-27 00:57:27]
30 Post contains images Falcon84 : Oh, gee, how special!! Another "Checkpoint Charlie", eh? I guess it takes one to know one.
31 Jetjack74 : Where did I say that, Jake the snake? The House and Senate each have they're own Judicial Committees. He must be confirmed in both the House and Sena
32 AirCop : JetJack you're wrong about the house having a role in confirming any type of court nominee. The president selects and the Senate and only the Senate v
33 Tbar220 : Thank you! Somebody finally got it, understood what this is about. This isn't about the Democrats turning this into a partisan issue, no matter how m
34 AerospaceFan : 70? That's a helluva lot! How do they know that? They only need 60 for cloture.
35 Ilikeyyc : In typical politics, you get something for something. Is this threat from the dems legitimate? Is it an attempt to get something from the Reps. in exc
36 Jake056 : Sorry, but the U.S. Constitution doesn't agree with you. The President nominates candidates to vacancies on the Supreme Court, and the Senate then ex
37 Halls120 : What really scares liberals is the fact that the Supreme Court might once again start interpreting the law in accordance with the Constitution, inste
38 MidnightMike : Not one Democrat has called Alito unqualified, all we keep hearing is what he may or may not do. The Senate is there to vote on his qualifications, a
39 Pope : The most humorous part about this story is that Kerry isn't even in the country. In typical hypocritical fashion he's hobnobbing in Davos with all tho
40 Post contains images FXramper : GOP has already announced they have secured enough votes, democrats included, to push Alito into the seat...failing to see how this helps DNC. In othe
41 Texdravid : LOL. Kerry has probably the worst political instincts of anyone in the Senate. Thus, not only was the decision dubious, but the manner in which the d
42 SATX : Clinton put on fairly moderate judges, now the Republicans are paying us back with hardliners under the threat of the "nuclear option". Thanks guys.
43 Post contains images MD-90 : You could be eating your words soon if Hillary is elected and she does something you don't like, and the USSC rules in favor of the executive. All of
44 Cptkrell : Good one, Pope (rep 39); VERY good one. One wonders about the relevency of what John Kerry's (or Kennedy's, for that matter) opinions might be. As a m
45 Ctbarnes : Let's just take Kerry's statement for what it is: posturing. The numbers required to make a filibuster stick simply aren't there and the Democratic le
46 Post contains images Searpqx : Agree 100% - as much as Alito worries me, there are no grounds on his qualification or record not to approve his nomination. There are lots of other
47 Planespotting : Well, at least people who actually count are trying to decide whether or not to confirm this Supreme Court Justice. A few months ago, it was the GOP B
48 AerospaceFan : I don't think that Ruth Bader Ginsburg was moderate, though.
49 Pope : You forget, liberals don't grade by one uniform scale. If a justice supports their cause, they are fair and moderate. If the justice doesn't agree wi
50 Post contains links Pope : Harry even threw in the towel and has admitted defeat. http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...TRUKOC_0_US-COURT-ALITO.xml&rpc=22 Kerry loves making hi
51 FDXMECH : A fairly moderate judge? Justice Ginsberg (former General Counsel of the ACLU)is way to the left. Of course relative to your political leaning's, she
52 FDXMECH : Correction: Ginsberg vote: 96 yea - 3 nay - 1 did not vote
53 FDXMECH : If the Dems had half a brain they'd all vote, YEA. But sadly, this isn't the Democratic Party of JFK, Truman and FDR. This is sort of "The Stepford Wi
54 Ctbarnes : The Republican abyss is even deeper, though... Charles, SJ
55 Halls120 : Just for once I'd love to see democrats adopt the same position. But sadly, everything is partisan to them.
56 AerospaceFan : I don't think that all liberals think that way. Just the ones that, on this particular issue, are quite unreasonable.
57 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : So much for the John Kerry/Ted Kennedy uber-partisan attempt at a fillibuster. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/30/alito/index.html Alito's support
58 Pope : Kerry and Kennedy are in a race to see which can become more inconsequential. Did anyone see the tan on Kerry when he was speaking on the Senate floor
59 AerospaceFan : At 11:00 a.m. Eastern time, and 8:00 a.m. my time -- that's less than six hours from now -- the Senate will vote on whether to confirm Judge Alito. T
60 AerospaceFan : Correction: I should have written, "less than seven hours from now".
61 StuckinMAF : Once again paranoia and alarm gives way to common sense. I commend those on the left of the aisle who chose to vote to end debate for their seeing thi
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