AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 844 times:
Same thing out here is Arizona, the GOP can't find anyone to run against our Democrat Governor, which is a good thing!! Time rated her as one of the top 5 governors in the country.
Zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 4724 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 830 times:
Quoting AirCop (Reply 1): Same thing out here is Arizona, the GOP can't find anyone to run against our Democrat Governor, which is a good thing!! Time rated her as one of the top 5 governors in the country.
You know, the GOP, their scullery maids of Fox News, Drudge Report, Christian Right, Bin Ladin family will start the smear campaigns rolling. Best of luck to your governor!
Pope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 812 times:
HRC is unbeatable in this race. She's very well funded on her own accord and the DNSCC would spend whatever it took to make sure she won. Why fight a battle that is certain to be lost?
She may win by enough votes that the party decides that she should be the senior senator from NY and Schummer can be her bitch.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 801 times:
Quoting Pope (Reply 4): HRC is unbeatable in this race. She's very well funded on her own accord and the DNSCC would spend whatever it took to make sure she won.
And one other thing you forgot-on purpose, no doubt: she's very popular in New York, which must gall you to no end. Which I find a great, sweet thought. You hate the woman so much, it drives you crazy that she's got a high approval rating in NY.
Sucks to be you on this one.
Quoting Pope (Reply 4): She may win by enough votes that the party decides that she should be the senior senator from NY and Schummer can be her bitch.
Texdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 801 times:
It has a been a mixed winter for Hillary.
On the plus side, she has and will continue to benefit from the weakness of NY Republicans to put a viable candidate to challenge her for the Senate seat.
However, her presidential prospects aren't gathering steam. Instead, a case can be made that even Democrats are lukewarm and sometimes hostile to her proposed presidential candidacy. I read a CNN report that 51% of the country is against her presidential run.
So thus Hillary may win the battle (Senate race 2006), but lose the war (Presidency 2008). Heck, Mark Warner may even deny her the Democratic nomination. For Hillary, a Senate seat would be a poor consolation prize. The woman has wanted to be President as long as or even longer than Bill Clinton.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 796 times:
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 6): On the plus side, she has and will continue to benefit from the weakness of NY Republicans to put a viable candidate to challenge her for the Senate seat
If it were a Republican in Hillary's shoes, you'd be telling us about the strength of the candidate, and the strength of the GOP. Fact is, she's popular, and a good portion of NY State doesn't like the GOP on a national level. Your candidate will look weak against someone very popular. But nice try on the spin.
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 6): However, her presidential prospects aren't gathering steam. Instead, a case can be made that even Democrats are lukewarm and sometimes hostile to her proposed presidential candidacy.
As most people have noted on here, it's 2 years-plus before the general election. The only one on either side saying anything pointing towards '08 is Hillary. No one has presidential steam right now-certainly on the GOP side. In fact, if prospects for the GOP don't improve quickly, and they have a shaky '06, '08 candidates for all offices will be running away, not to, the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania.
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 6): Heck, Mark Warner may even deny her the Democratic nomination.
Quite possible. I think he may look very attractive to those on the center-left and center-right for '08, but we're a long way from that. Who knows-Hillary could be his VP choice if that happened.
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 6): a Senate seat would be a poor consolation prize.
Hardly. A senator can wield a lot of influence and power sitting in that chamber. Why do you think people try to stay there forever?
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 6): The woman has wanted to be President as long as or even longer than Bill Clinton.
And there's something wrong with that, if true. But it's not true, since Bill has said many times he wanted to be President from the day he shook JFK's hand forward. I doubt Hillary was thinking about that at 16.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38508 posts, RR: 80 Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 793 times:
Why isn't the GOP putting there money where there mouth is?
Where is all the tough-talk and Hillary bashing since she is up for re-election?
Just because New York is a Democratic state doesn't mean Democrats automaticly win in New York.
Look at George Pataki, Alfonse D'Amato (OK he lost), but Rudy Giulani that so many people loves so much. Why isn't he running after her Senate seat?
Texdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 783 times:
Falcon, my analysis war far from spin. Only you would characterize it as such.
No where did I give anything that isn't on the blogosphere, including the left blogosphere, like Molly Ivins diatribe against Hillary.
I'm not in the practice of overestimating Republican chances or excusing their weaknesses.
By the way, if you think that Hillary will be satisfied with a Senate seat for the rest of her career, you are sadly mistaken. She will stay for the rest of her career, a la Ted Kennedy, but the presidency is clearly her goal. Nothing is wrong with that, the only thing wrong is her policies.
While no one on the Republican side is a clear front runner, your characterization of dim Republican prospects for 2006 and 2008 is YOUR SPIN.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 778 times:
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 9): While no one on the Republican side is a clear front runner, your characterization of dim Republican prospects for 2006 and 2008 is YOUR SPIN.
Right: a president on the ropes with the American people, who don't like his war, don't trust his word, don't like his wiretaps. Leadership in Congress under indictment, or possibly to be under indictement, for various things (Frist, the Abramoff scandal); candidates for office avoiding the President like the plague in most cases. No clear front-runner from a party that usually has a front-runner figured out the day after the last Prez election.
It isn't spin. It's current PoliSci101. Doesn't mean the GOP can't turn it around, or won't turn it around. But right now, they're yelling "Incoming!", and the shells aren't stopping at this time.
Hey-I thought I'd use an anology that war-mongering conservatives would understand fully with that last sentence.
Texdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 771 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10): Hey-I thought I'd use an anology that war-mongering conservatives would understand fully with that last sentence.
Falcon, your characterizations just show how out of touch you are.
Bush may not have the country's backing when it comes to the Iraq war, but he is still supported on the war on terror as a whole. The wiretap story is a plus for Bush, not a negative.
There is no support for your characterization as Republicans running away from him, at least not until after the 2006 elections.
One thing is sure. That recent CNN poll (yes the network you like) shows surprising weakness for Hillary when it comes to the Presidential race in 2008. A surprising number of Democrats (Molly Ivins, Warren Beatty) have come out and voiced their displeasure at her, while moderates and independents don't believe her recent dalliance with the political middle as anything but expediency.
So while there is no Republican front runner at this time, the Democrats should be in much better position than they are, all things considered.
APFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 764 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
If it were a Republican in Hillary's shoes, you'd be telling us about the strength of the candidate, and the strength of the GOP. Fact is, she's popular, and a good portion of NY State doesn't like the GOP on a national level. Your candidate will look weak against someone very popular. But nice try on the spin.
That is BS about a good portion of New York state not liking the GOP. If it wasn't for NYC New York state would be a red state. Most people in NYS hate the fact that the taxes are so high and that they get little say because of NYC.
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7336 posts, RR: 52 Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 754 times:
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 11): One thing is sure. That recent CNN poll (yes the network you like) shows surprising weakness for Hillary when it comes to the Presidential race in 2008. A surprising number of Democrats (Molly Ivins, Warren Beatty) have come out and voiced their displeasure at her, while moderates and independents don't believe her recent dalliance with the political middle as anything but expediency.
It was the CNN/Gallup Poll where people polled that 51% said the would absolutely not vote for her. Bribes and kickbacks bode well for her in NY state, but on the national stage, she's beat-ible.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38508 posts, RR: 80 Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 745 times:
Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 12): That is BS about a good portion of New York state not liking the GOP. If it wasn't for NYC New York state would be a red state. Most people in NYS hate the fact that the taxes are so high and that they get little say because of NYC.
What difference does that make?
You talk as it a New Yorker in the Bronx isn't as important than a New Yorker in Rochester!
They all live in the state of New York. Big frikkin deal if most of the state's population is in the five bouroughs of New York city!
The MAJORITY of New Yorkers like there two Senators including Hillary Rodham Clinton!
Pope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 731 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5): You hate the woman so much, it drives you crazy that she's got a high approval rating in NY.
I don't hate this woman at all. Please cite anything where I've said otherwise or is this just another example of you making up stuff.
HRC is obviously very smart. I disagree with her politics and her view of government in my life. I think that her national health care plan (the original one - I haven't yet seen the details on her "new" plan) would have been a tremendous mistake. If you're concerned about the NSA listening in on al-quaeda related calls and the abuses that can occur there, I can't understand why you would want a massive federal agency knowing everything about your personal medical records.
I think that a free market can regulate itself is allowed to operate. I disagree with her view that wealth needs to be taxed away. Every possible analysis will show you that the rich pay the vast majority of all taxes, but that never seems to be enough.
I also question the spine of someone who doesn't stand up to her spouse when he sends her out to defend him to the world knowing that he's done exactly what she's being asked to deny. If she can't stand up to Bubba, why should we think she has the spine to stand up to other world leaders?
On the flip side, before having kids, I disagreed with her "it take a village" concept, but after becoming a father, I think she may have something there. Though I haven't read her book, what I have heard about it does have some validity, though I wish she would also push for more personal responsibility by the individual. It shouldn't be the village's responsibility to raise a kid you can't afford. If you can't afford to raise your kids, don't have them.
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5): What a sore loser you are. NC-No Class.
What do I care if Schummer's feelings get hurt? I can assure you that it pisses him off that he's the senior Senator from NY and he gets treated as a footnote to her.
FDXMECH From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 38 Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 721 times:
Quoting Pope (Reply 4): She may win by enough votes that the party decides that she should be the senior senator from NY and Schummer can be her bitch.
LOL. I'd love to see Hilary in black leather holding a whip to Schumer. He's such a schmuck.
Pope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 684 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5): Quoting Pope (Reply 4):
She may win by enough votes that the party decides that she should be the senior senator from NY and Schummer can be her bitch.
What a sore loser you are. NC-No Class.
This is classic. The guy who went around calling the President of the United States a village idiot for two years is now trying to give lessons on class. Just one more example of your hypocrisy. You act one way and talk another.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 675 times:
Quoting Pope (Reply 20): The guy who went around calling the President of the United States a village idiot for two years is now trying to give lessons on class.
Well, it does take a village to raise an idiot, does it not, Pope? And the GOP did a FINE job raising that idiot, no doubt.
You are so predictable. One set of rules for everyone else and one set that you apply to yourself.
25 Falcon84: God, but you're full of hate. Notice the smile-it was meant to be light-hearted, dude. Get your panties out of a wad, and chill a little, and laugh a
26 Pope: I don't know where you get the I'm full of hate, BS. But OK. I'm sorry. At least we agree that you're a hypocrite.
27 Falcon84: Up your nose with a rubber hose, dude. You can't take anything lightly.
28 Pope: Wait wait wait. I thought you're the one who said that the smiley face meant that the post was a joke. I guess that this is just one more example abo
29 Falcon84: It was, but then you continued to keep your skivvies in a wad. Different post, dude. You just don't know when to lighten up, so I told you to shove i
30 Pope: Dude you're the only one who seems to be getting worked up about this. I guess since you broke Rule 13, you might as well go and break Rule 12 http:/
31 Clipperhawaii: New York can have Hillary. The rest of us (Republicans/conservatives) will have the White House. Now did someone say they had their skivvies in a wad
32 Halls120: I think HRC has done an excellent job as senator from New York. I've always thought she was smarter than her husband, and a better politician to boot
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