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User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Its all about compromise.

Liberal left- Stop trying to take away nativity scenes, trying to tear down crosses owned by the city, trying to take "under God" from the pledge, and trying to take crosses from military cemetaries.

Also, give up the Don't Ask Don't Tell fight.

Conservative Right- Allow gay civil unions and leave marriage up to the individual churches, give up the anti-abortion fight, crack down on big business, and take away the Bush tax-cuts "for the rich".

In addition, tighten enviromental standards for automobiles and industry.


I think this is a good compromise between the right and the left. What do you guys think, and what are your plans?


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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

It sounds good on paper but its unrealistic to expect it to happen. Some people bitch just to hear themselves bitch and partisan politics will always come into play (i.e., all Republicans are conservative evil and all Democrats are liberal evil).

While the vast majority of people are truly centrist, one side or the other will claim that such people do not exist - its either black or white and nothing in between...

Getting rid of Bush will not solve the problem (just like getting rid of Clinton didn't solve the problem in 2000). "The problem" always remains - You can never satisfy everyone.

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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4378 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting UAL777 (Thread starter):
leave marriage up to the individual churches

Some good points and concessions, but since when was legal marriage granted by churches?



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Quoting UAL777 (Thread starter):
Liberal left- Stop trying to take away nativity scenes, trying to tear down crosses owned by the city, trying to take "under God" from the pledge, and trying to take crosses from military cemetaries.



Quoting UAL777 (Thread starter):
Conservative Right- Allow gay civil unions and leave marriage up to the individual churches, give up the anti-abortion fight, crack down on big business, and take away the Bush tax-cuts "for the rich".

How about if we just get Liberal Left and the Conservative Right out of power by finally, finally forming a comprehensive Independent party?

A nice start woould a McCain/Bayh ticket in '08  duck 


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4368 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2551 times:
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Quoting UAL777 (Thread starter):
Liberal left- Stop trying to take away nativity scenes, trying to tear down crosses owned by the city, trying to take "under God" from the pledge, and trying to take crosses from military cemetaries.

Seperation of Church and State seems to be a compromise to me.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4378 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4):
Seperation of Church and State seems to be a compromise to me.

I don't think so. It's not like all conservatives want a theocracy, and all liberals are atheists. The constant debates over separation of church and state revolve around governmental favoritism with the display of religious objects or language on public property and documents, and if that significantly pressures a faith on someone.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Quoting UAL777 (Thread starter):
Liberal left- Stop trying to take away nativity scenes, trying to tear down crosses owned by the city, trying to take "under God" from the pledge, and trying to take crosses from military cemetaries.

That's all symbolism and has no bearing on individual liberties or fundamental rights. We had a battle here almost 10 years ago hear in San Francisco. There is beautiful Holy Cross atop of Mt. Davidson that graces the cityscape. Since it was city property, some anti-religious folks wanted it removed. Well, the city sold the plot of land that the cross sits on to a private party and the cross stands till this day as an integral part of beauty that makes our city so desirable to live.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 5):
and all liberals are atheists.

 redflag 
Incorrect!
Many Catholics are economically liberal and about a third of evangelical Christians (most Black American Baptist) are liberal and don't want any association with the intolerant, racist Anglo-Bible thumping Southern Baptist.


It's ironic that the United States has become more polarized in over 100 years considering we have a President that pledged to be a "uniter, not a divider"?
Me and millions of liberal around the country read through his bullshit and that's why most voters voted against the lying son-of-a-bitch in favor of Al Gore, but we all know what happened in the end.



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User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

It would be nice to not have constant bickering from both sides, but that it's about as likely to happen as Hamas and Sharon shaking hands on a peace agreement.

User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4378 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
redflag
Incorrect!

....what?

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 5):
It's not like all conservatives want a theocracy, and all liberals are atheists.

emphasis on the 'It's not like'.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 5):
and all liberals are atheists.

redflag
Incorrect!
Many Catholics are economically liberal and about a third of evangelical Christians (most Black American Baptist) are liberal and don't want any association with the intolerant, racist Anglo-Bible thumping Southern Baptist.

um 'Fly - you might want to blow away what ever was wafting in front of you monitor that obscured your vision - he was saying not all liberals are atheists.

UAL777 - you've got a good idea, but I think you're just picking up on the surface symptoms, not on the underlying issues that cause them. And those are what truly divide the country. The number of people that truly don't care about nativity scenes and crosses are the majority, but many are passionate about the true seperation of church and state. Same with Gay rights. I don't care if you call it marriage or not, but I expect the exact same laws, rights and privelages should apply to me as to any other.

We do need to figure how to bridge some of these gaps. Ignoring the outer fringes from both sides that harp on the inconsequential and emotional issues to get people stirred up would be a good start.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 8):
emphasis on the 'It's not like'.



Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
um 'Fly - you might want to blow away what ever was wafting in front of you monitor that obscured your vision - he was saying not all liberals are atheists.

Whoa slow down!
Sorry about that petekYXMD80.
I guess I was reading to fast.  Smile



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User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 2):
Some good points and concessions, but since when was legal marriage granted by churches?



Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
ame with Gay rights. I don't care if you call it marriage or not, but I expect the exact same laws, rights and privelages should apply to me as to any other.

I think you both missed my point. Civil unions should be allowed so gays/lesbians can recieve the same tax/healthcare/whatever benefits married people enjoy.

However, I think MARRIAGE should be left to the individual churches as to whether to accept it...NOT the state.


As part of the larger issue, I think it has gotten so extreme in this country because both groups feel violated by the other. If we could get the shitty politicans on BOTH sides out, I think REAL progress could be made.

I just like to have a political discussion here for once that doenst involve Falcon84 and Superfly teaming off on AncFlyer, myself and others.

Honestly, I'm pleasently suprised how civil this thread has stayed.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 11):
I just like to have a political discussion here for once that doenst involve Falcon84 and Superfly teaming off on AncFlyer, myself and others.

That is no way to "unite the U.S." because we are a part of the U.S. wheather you like it or not and our values are equally important.

ANCFlyer enjoys it when I "team off" on him because he isn't getting the leftist nurishment in his community. I am good for ANCFlyer and like minded conservatives.  Smile

BTW, last week I had an excellent fly on a UAL777 (ORD-SFO).  Cool



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User currently offlineLegend500 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 144 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

One easy step (and one that wouldn't happen). Pass an amendment banning political parties. Washington himself seemed to suggest this.

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 11):
However, I think MARRIAGE should be left to the individual churches as to whether to accept it...NOT the state.

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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Quoting UAL777 (Thread starter):
Liberal left- Stop trying to take away nativity scenes, trying to tear down crosses owned by the city, trying to take "under God" from the pledge, and trying to take crosses from military cemetaries.

Also, give up the Don't Ask Don't Tell fight.

Conservative Right- Allow gay civil unions and leave marriage up to the individual churches, give up the anti-abortion fight, crack down on big business, and take away the Bush tax-cuts "for the rich".

Don't you think this heavily economically biased against conservatives?

I suggest you add eliminate the welfare state and crackdown on unions to even things out.



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Quoting UAL777 (Thread starter):
Liberal left- Stop trying to take away nativity scenes, trying to tear down crosses owned by the city, trying to take "under God" from the pledge, and trying to take crosses from military cemetaries.

I'm about as liberal as they come (in Texas, at least) and I have never tried to take away any nativity scenes, or tried to tear down any crosses or tried to take "under God" out of the pledge or tried to mess with any military bases. It's true that I would prefer that we take references to God out of the pledge and off our money, but it's not really a big deal to me compared to many more pressing matters.

Liberals like me simply want separation of church and state to remain enforced. It's as simple as keeping federal money out of the hands of religious programs and schools. I'm also very pro-environment and I believe that only a transparent government can be trusted. Since our current government is so opaque, I don't trust them one bit. Their attack of Iraq and lack of both a solid reason and a plan only solidified my views.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
ANCFlyer enjoys it when I "team off" on him because he isn't getting the leftist nurishment in his community. I am good for ANCFlyer and like minded conservatives.

You seem like a nice guy and all, but my impression of ANCFlyer is that he comes to this board largely to espouse views he's always held and to stifle any strongly opposing views of others. He bullshits his way through one argument after another and nobody seems to really call him on it. It's true that he tries like hell to give the impression of being fair and even-handed, but in reality he's just agreeing with inconsequential nonsense while waving his giant "I'm fair and balanced!" flag. Then, as soon as a true dissenter shows up he drops his silly flag and busts out his bullhorn so he can prove he's got bigger balls and a much bigger mouth than the next guy.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 14):

I suggest you add eliminate the welfare state and crackdown on unions to even things out.

Um, what welfare state? Didn't Clinton sign welfare reform into law eons ago? You now get 5 years total over your entire lifetime (seventy some odd years these days) and no more than two consecutive years in a row. How much more do you want? If you're hurting for money because of taxes, stop by and I'll give you my spare change. As for unions, the conservative domestic media has already done an excellent job helping to kill off what's left of them. I guess some people will simply never be satisfied until the last liberal is burned at the stake.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Quoting UAL777 (Thread starter):
crack down on big business, and take away the Bush tax-cuts "for the rich".

In addition, tighten enviromental standards for automobiles and industry.



Quoting SATX (Reply 15):

Um, what welfare state? Didn't Clinton sign welfare reform into law eons ago? You now get 5 years total over your entire lifetime (seventy some odd years these days) and no more than two consecutive years in a row. How much more do you want? If you're hurting for money because of taxes, stop by and I'll give you my spare change. As for unions, the conservative domestic media has already done an excellent job helping to kill off what's left of them. I guess some people will simply never be satisfied until the last liberal is burned at the stake

Hey, all he offered were a bunch of compromises from the left and right on social issues, and then asked economic conservatives to give up everything. Something has to balance it out to call it compromise. I'm just giving my suggestions for balancers.

"Conservative domestic media" hasn't done anything to kill of unions. Unions have almost killed themselves off in any field subject to competition by making demands of their employers that make the products they produce uncompetitive in price and quality. Still there is one place unions are far too strong for the country's good, and that is in the public sector, where there is no competition due to government monopoly.

And the welfare state consist of a lot more than the program involving aid to poor people known in the US as "welfare."



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
ow about if we just get Liberal Left and the Conservative Right out of power by finally, finally forming a comprehensive Independent party?

A nice start woould a McCain/Bayh ticket in '08

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Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
UAL777 - you've got a good idea, but I think you're just picking up on the surface symptoms, not on the underlying issues that cause them. And those are what truly divide the country. The number of people that truly don't care about nativity scenes and crosses are the majority, but many are passionate about the true seperation of church and state. Same with Gay rights. I don't care if you call it marriage or not, but I expect the exact same laws, rights and privelages should apply to me as to any other.

Sear is exactly right. We all tend to get too hung up on labels instead of properly framing the underlying issues. Last time I was home, my dad started grumbling about "gay marriage," so I asked him, "do you think it is fair that one group of citizens has the right to pass property to their partners through operation of law (marriage) and other citizens don't?" He thought about for a minute, and said, no I guess not.

Quoting SATX (Reply 15):
You seem like a nice guy and all, but my impression of ANCFlyer is that he comes to this board largely to espouse views he's always held and to stifle any strongly opposing views of others

Excuse me, but saying that ANC - or anyone else, for that matter - tries to "stifle" opposing views on this board is absurd. Liberals and conservatives alike will obviously hold some views they are pretty passionate about, and that passion will spill out during an occasional discussion, but I've never regarded anyone's passion as an attempt to stifle other posters.

Seems to me you need a thicker skin.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 11):
I just like to have a political discussion here for once that doenst involve Falcon84 and Superfly teaming off on AncFlyer, myself and others.

Speak for yourself . . . I don't feel "teamed off" upon . . .

And honestly, bottom line, if you feel teamed off upon, perhaps your skin isn't quite thick enough . . . this is afterall, the internet. How teamed off upon can one be?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
ANCFlyer enjoys it when I "team off" on him because he isn't getting the leftist nurishment in his community. I am good for ANCFlyer and like minded conservatives.

We get plenty of leftist nourishment in Alaska . . . not quite, perhaps as much as you might get in SFO, but enough to keep us on our toes.   

Quoting SATX (Reply 15):
You seem like a nice guy and all, but my impression of ANCFlyer is that he comes to this board largely to espouse views he's always held and to stifle any strongly opposing views of others. He bullshits his way through one argument after another and nobody seems to really call him on it. It's true that he tries like hell to give the impression of being fair and even-handed, but in reality he's just agreeing with inconsequential nonsense while waving his giant "I'm fair and balanced!" flag. Then, as soon as a true dissenter shows up he drops his silly flag and busts out his bullhorn so he can prove he's got bigger balls and a much bigger mouth than the next guy.

Really? That's laughable. But okay, your entitled to your view of the world - no matter how utterly dicked up it it might be. If this comment came from almost anyone else I'd find it perhaps a bit insulting I think . . . coming from you - just the usual inane drivel . . . source considered, dismissed.

I don't suppose you see the Pot, Kettle, Black side of your diatribe do you?

Decently written paragraph though. You show promise.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 17):
Seems to me you need a thicker skin.

Naaaa, he just doesn't like me because I don't let him slide when he spouts ridiculous nonsense . . . . you know, keeping the bullshit in check is - afterall - my job.

[Edited 2006-01-27 14:10:41]

User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Quoting UAL777 (Thread starter):
Liberal left- Stop trying to take away nativity scenes, trying to tear down crosses owned by the city, trying to take "under God" from the pledge, and trying to take crosses from military cemetaries.

Its quite apparent that you are young. First of all "under God" wasn't added to the pledge until the mid-50's; check out the urban legends website regarding taking crosses from military cemeteries and you will find there is nothing to it, just something that is a rumor. In the past 100 years its been the liberals that provided the spark that has made the United States great. If it wasn't for liberals judges think about "Brown v. Board of Education; separate but equal"; social security, the willingess to invest in the space program; the civil rights movements; public works projects, the list can go on and on. Not all liberals support every extremism idea from the far left, just like most conservatives don't support the idea to cut off their farm aid, means testing on social security and the like. Since your profile states you're between 16-20 I would like to thank you for paying for the Iraqi war for the rest of your life. Liberals wouldn't had a bogus tax cuts and then go war without being able to pay for it.


User currently offlineRoger136913 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 15):
You seem like a nice guy and all, but my impression of ANCFlyer is that he comes to this board largely to espouse views he's always held and to stifle any strongly opposing views of others. He bullshits his way through one argument after another and nobody seems to really call him on it. It's true that he tries like hell to give the impression of being fair and even-handed, but in reality he's just agreeing with inconsequential nonsense while waving his giant "I'm fair and balanced!" flag. Then, as soon as a true dissenter shows up he drops his silly flag and busts out his bullhorn so he can prove he's got bigger balls and a much bigger mouth than the next guy.

Well if his respected list is any indication of his bullshit I'll take that over yours lol j/k. Though I have read many of his Posts and I do tend to agree with him 75% of the time the other 25% well I will admit I am not up to par on the subjects.


User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Quoting UAL777 (Thread starter):
Its all about compromise.



Quoting MxCtrlr (Reply 1):
It sounds good on paper but its unrealistic to expect it to happen.

So much for compromise.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
It's ironic that the United States has become more polarized in over 100 years considering we have a President that pledged to be a "uniter, not a divider.

??He's only been President for 5 years, what about the other 95?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
Me and millions of liberal around the country read through his bullshit and that's why most voters voted against the lying son-of-a-bitch in favor of Al Gore, but we all know what happened in the end.

Sure sounds like you gave him a fighting chance! lol

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
That is no way to "unite the U.S." because we are a part of the U.S. wheather you like it or not and our values are equally important.

So much for uniting.

Quoting Legend500 (Reply 13):
One easy step (and one that wouldn't happen). Pass an amendment banning political parties. Washington himself seemed to suggest this.

You're right, it can't happen because along came that pesky Constitution with it's freedom of speech and freedom of association, damn.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 19):
Liberals wouldn't had a bogus tax cuts and then go war without being able to pay for it.

You're right, they'd skip the tax cuts and still go to war without being able to pay for it, try Vietnam.

Wow, this thread got into a death spiral with smoke and flames shooting into the cockpit awfully quickly. No chance to eject now.


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 2422 times:

If you want to unite the country then allow Rowe v Wade to be overturned.

R. v W. has been the single most divisive argument in the past 50 years. What would happen if the SCOTUS overturned it?

Absolutely NOTHING. It simply turns the question back to the states. Red states would restrict abortion to the degree the majority in the Red states want it restricted, and Blue states would keep it as unresticted as the majority in those states want.

I agree with Pro-Choice advocates when they say that the Federal government has no buisness in a woman's right to choose. I think the Warren court made a huge mistake in the R.v W. decision by getting the Federal government involved in the reproductive question. Getting them OUT of the question will go a long way in bridging the gap.


User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):

Speak for yourself . . . I don't feel "teamed off" upon . . .

And honestly, bottom line, if you feel teamed off upon, perhaps your skin isn't quite thick enough . . . this is afterall, the internet. How teamed off upon can one be?

I feel I wasn't clear enough. The remarks do not bother me in the slightest. I just feel that often on this forum, political discussions turn into posts with people cheerleading their viewpoint without any real civil discussion. B744F comes to mind.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4378 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 11):

I think you both missed my point. Civil unions should be allowed so gays/lesbians can recieve the same tax/healthcare/whatever benefits married people enjoy.

However, I think MARRIAGE should be left to the individual churches as to whether to accept it...NOT the state.

I understand what you are trying to say and agree with most of it, however your involvement of logistical churches does not make any sense. A foundation of the gay marriage movement is to not make radical changes to the definition of marriage, just to gain equality with heterosexual couples. Your proposition is a MAJOR change in the state of marriage in the United States, and doesn't make any sense. No heterosexual marriage needs to me sanctioned by a church, so why would a homosexual marriage need this approval. I assume you would want this to be applied to the general populace, which opens up a whole nother can of worms with people who are not of faith, and annulments and such. So overall, I agree with your ideas, but the last is not feasible.



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25 1MillionFlyer : please
26 Post contains images JpetekYXMD80 : This might have to take the cake for dumb statements that i've read on here. If you want it overturned, then fine, good for you. But to say this woul
27 JBirdAV8r : Supreme Court of the United States (in the case of Roe vs. Wade, the Warren court)
28 1MillionFlyer : just say Supreme Court, whats with SCOTUS (sounds like SCROTUM) and POTUS, that just sounds crazy.
29 JpetekYXMD80 : I agree, stupid useless acronym.
30 AsstChiefMark : Send all the Washington politicians to Mexico...then build a wall. Mark
31 SATX : Thanks. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You start out talking like a semi-reasonable person by admitting the obvious (that I'm entitled to my
32 Superfly : He's done lots of damage within 5 years. Sounds like you want followers.
33 StevenUhl777 : -Vote out the extremists in both parties -Reduce/eliminate the lobbying money -Elect people who understand the concept of compromise. I voted for Clin
34 Falcon84 : AMEN! The center needs a party, because the extremes have taken over the big Two. The center needs a voice to ignore the grenade-throwing from the ot
35 UAL777 : I never said that. I was merely citing an example of how these great discussions collapse into Left/Right wing political mantra and insults.
36 Gilligan : Yeah Yeah, same old same old. Heard the same thing from 1981 to 1989, 1989 to 1993, 1993 to 2001, and from 2001 to today yet the country is still her
37 UALPHLCS : Remember that the next time you write IMO or IMHO. Be sure to write out the airline name in here rather than refer to it a UA, or AA or whatever. Fra
38 JpetekYXMD80 : Ok, fair enough, but you were the one that said this would 'unite the country'? How would that unite the country in any way? Off the stage of nationa
39 Post contains images Roger136913 : Hey if a Newbie can't hold his or her own tough luck. I can't believe how posters get blasted here by many for posting just an opinion. As for me pos
40 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Sure got you all stirred up, eh? Difference between us, I realize this is the internet, what you think of what I have to say, or do - is irrelevent.
41 Go3Team : For those "Separation of church and state" people: In the first amendment below, I don't see where it says separation of church and state. It was writ
42 Gunsontheroof : In all honesty, I think that it's pretty unrealistic to think that this country is ever going to be united under a strong national identity. I've seen
43 Logan22L : You know, as much as I hate partisan politics, we should all recognize that it has been that way since the very beginning. John Adams, one of Braintre
44 Gilligan : Logan22L good post, I only have one question.... Then why do keep voting Kennedy and Kerry, arguably two of the most aristocratic Senators, back into
45 Logan22L : Because there's a difference between an Aristocracy fighting for the rights of the Aristocrats, and Aristocrats fighting for the rights of the less f
46 Gilligan : I would swear he's been drinking since then...btw, it was a joke, sorry I didn't put the usual smiley face in afterwords but I'm at work and a whiney
47 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : The most accurate sentence I've seen in a LONG time.
48 Post contains images Logan22L : Well, sorry to hear about your cross. However, your comment about aristocracy was not really a joke, and I think I answered it appropriately. I actua
49 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Damn.....get better soon. Had that myself not too long ago. Take plenty of water and try some vitamins to replace what you lost....preferably the che
50 Post contains images Logan22L : Thanks, Sean. Actually, I am better now. I spent the better part of Wednesday evening and night puking my feet out of my mouth, and blasting my head
51 Gunsontheroof : You do realize that "under God" wasn't part of the original pledge (probably because of that separation of church and state thing) right? It was adde
52 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Just about the only way to describe it. You can be the meanest, toughest son of a bitch out there, but when you get the atomic squirts, you're on you
53 Post contains images Logan22L :
54 Post contains links Gunsontheroof : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_Party_%28United_States%29 I think Andrew Jackson was a jerk too.[Edited 2006-01-28 06:39:07]
55 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Well, I wasn't really gonna say anything - but now that you mention it. . . . Oh, and I do not that recipe!!!
56 UAL777 : I had the same thing. I got it from a McDonalds in Medellin, Colombia. The best part is when you get the simultaneous expulsion. Anyway try just drin
57 Logan22L : I wasn't in much position to walk down to the store at the time, unfortunately. Sounds like a good idea. Back on topic - here's a way to bring the US
58 UAL777 : Thats the truth. Im a conservative but I realize that not everyone thinks the way I do. The only way we will ever get this country together is throug
59 UALPHLCS : IMHO, ny making the abortion issue a local one you have a greater chance of settling it to MOST people's satisfaction. Laws written by duly elected r
60 Halls120 : Sorry to hear about your distress. Two weeks ago I had the worst case of flu I can ever remember having. Projectile vomiting and uncontrolled diarrhe
61 Logan22L : Thank God for washable paint! I hear you. Note ye all: It is far easier to sit/shit and puke between your legs than it is to kneel to puke and simult
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