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Battleship USS Iowa- Unwelcome In San Fran?  
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Was watching Foxnews earlier, saw this story that was pretty outraging. Couldn't find the article, but here's a video of the newscast-

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...is%20Up&acc&Only%20on%20FOX&-1&exp

In a nutshell, The Iowa, which has been in mothballs for years, was proposed to be docked on a vacant pier near Candlestick park as a memorial and museum. The city's leaders have apparently expressed their sheer disapproval for the idea, stating that this warship represents an anti-gay military, and a military currently involved in an unpopular war. Kind of stupid if you ask me, playing trump cards like that.

Irony is, the sailors who served on this ship are the ones who gave these losers the right to be able to protest and say such moronic things.

DeltaGuy

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Thread starter):
The city's leaders have apparently expressed their sheer disapproval for the idea, stating that this warship represents an anti-gay military, and a military currently involved in an unpopular war. Kind of stupid if you ask me, playing trump cards like that

And this surprises you about SFO? Not I.

So, fuck San Francisco . . . take that ship to some place where it and it's history of providing for the freedoms of ALL - ALL - American's will be appreciated. And don't let any tourists from SFO on board.

Screw 'em.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
And don't let any tourists from SFO on board.

Good idea!

It's so sad some people cannot see anything apart from ideology.


User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Screw 'em.

The guys in San Fran might like you to do that to them ANCFlyer

As for the ship, i say set sail for Maryland, we will take that beauty



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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Some cool pics and info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_(BB-61)

I say that the ship should be parked in an area where she will be respected. This is a loss to nobody other than the fraction of the SFO population who is repressed by these ideologues running the place.



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5358 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

Quoting Molykote (Reply 4):
I say that the ship should be parked in an area where she will be respected.

I'd love to see her at Patriot's Point in Charleston right next to the Yorktown (CV-10).



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User currently offlineJeffSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
So, fuck San Francisco . . . take that ship to some place where it and it's history of providing for the freedoms of ALL - ALL - American's will be appreciated. And don't let any tourists from SFO on board.

Screw 'em.

No need to lump us all of us in SFO together on this one. I would like to see the U.S.S. Iowa moored here, as would Senator Feinstein:

http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2...en_garcia/20060112_co02_garcia.txt


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
And don't let any tourists from SFO on board.

Good idea!

Stupid idea. Why shouldn't Diane Feinstein visit the ship - or others from S.F. who wouldn't mind seeing the ship at Fisherman's Wharf?

After all, only eight people voted against Feinstein's decision, not the entire city.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1718 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 7):
After all, only eight people voted against Feinstein's decision, not the entire city.

But the city voted those eight people into office. I would hope that the upstanding citizens of SF should feel so embarassed at this decision that they will not only do everything they can to vote them out, but harrass and ridicule their neighbors who supported them.

There comes a time, even in a democracy, when a voting majority get all flaky in the head and put crazy people into office. The Hamas victory in Palestine is a great example. People need to say "Enough with the political correctness!".

The Iowa stands for several things, all of which deserve to be memorialized.

1) It stands for the fact that men (and more recently women), have fought and died for the freedoms we all enjoy, not only the US, but the whole world. If it had not been for warships like the Iowa, The Swastika would now be flying over the rooftops of the Kremlin, the White House, and the Houses of Parliament. For those protesting the Iowa due to the military's treatment of gays, I remind you that the Nazis put homosexuals in gas chambers.

2) The Iowa is also a technological marvel of its time. Dreadnaught battleships represented the zenith of the technology. The ultimate expression of strength, durability, detection, control, organizational, safety, and of course weapon technology that was possible at the time. If there is anything that deserves being a museum (or in a museum), it is the battleship. Today they are dinosaurs, made extinct by our dependence on computer chips. Iowa stands for a period when things had to be done by sheer brawn.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

About two years ago I got to tour the USS Wisconsin which is moored at the naval museum at downtown Norfolk. These ships are absolutely magnificent. I spent almost three hours just walking her main deck and speaking with the volunteers (many former crewmen). It's a shame that the boats spend the remainder of their lives tied up to docks because you get a sense that the spirit of the ship wants to be out on the ocean.

The ships are living history lessons and should be treasured.

F*ck these liberal POS's in SFO that live under the blanket of freedom that the vessels and their crews fought to secure only to turn their backs on them.

While the US is far from perfect and we have plenty of things to improve on, to ignore the contribution and sacrifices that these vessels, her crews and our militiary forces have made for all of us is just wrong.

SFO doesn't deserve this great piece of history.


User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1683 times:

This is no surprise. For a city that voted in favor of an unconstitutional (both from Federal and California law perspectives) ban on all handguns, how could they possibly be expected to allow something like a Warship to be displayed there?

Maybe they are afraid the sea level rise from man-made Global Warming will plant the Iowa firmly atop the Golden Gate bridge!  Wow!

(I know, I know, that's another thread)


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20352 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1669 times:

I would gather that none of you have been to the San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park lately.

San Francisco, and the Bay Area in general, has had a history of support for the Navy and the maritime industry as a whole, going back decades, maybe even centuries now.

I love the "we gave them the right to protest, I just wish they'd shut up" argument.



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1669 times:

I thought the Iowa was to go to Stockton, CA for display. San Francisco's leaders (yeah, right!) are nothing but a bunch of morons for refusing this historic warship. As of 6 or 8 months ago, the US Navy was to park the Iowa in Stockton, and then display the ship very similiar as the Wisconsin. There is another thread about the Iowa in the archives somewhere almost about this same topic. Regards.


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1656 times:
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Sen. Feinstein managed to snag the Iowa away from its mooring in Rhode Island to be towed around the continent via the Panama Canal, to be replaced in a mothball fleet with the express concern that there be a museum ship in SFO. Idiotic money was spent as there were several sites that wanted the battleship to be placed on the east coast, but she took it there when the Democrats had control of the Senate. Now it's there, sitting in Suisun Bay, and SFO doesn't want it. Screw them.

It's still a category B mobilization asset, and carried on the rolls as being part of the Pacific Reserve. So send it up to Puget Sound, or down to San Diego, or even San Pedro/Long Beach and set it up there the same way the Wisconsin is displayed in Norfolk. Let it be a living museum where people will appreciate it.

And while they're at it they ought to bring the Pampanito down there, too.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1653 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11):
San Francisco, and the Bay Area in general, has had a history of support for the Navy and the maritime industry as a whole, going back decades, maybe even centuries now.

That does not excuse what they are doing now.

I'm just glad my grandfather (a WWII veteran) did not live to see this. It would have broken his heart how monuments to his generation are spat upon because of some petty liberals' idea of "give peace a chance".


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20352 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1649 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 14):
That does not excuse what they are doing now.

You clearly haven't lived in S.F. long enough (if at all?) to comment on how they do business.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 14):
are spat upon

On the other hand, people's fears of the City and County of San Francisco are so entertaining, I hope you never go! lol.



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User currently offlineBhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1649 times:

Thats just plain stooooopid...bring her up here to the Northwest, she can hang out with the Nimitz Battle Group....


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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
You clearly haven't lived in S.F. long enough (if at all?) to comment on how they do business.

What does that have to do with it. Are you saying that anyone who does not live in San Francisco has no right to say anything about this? What tripe.

I know enough about the issue. Famous warship refused by the city to make an anti-war point. That's all that needs to be known.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20352 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1637 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 17):
Are you saying that anyone who does not live in San Francisco has no right to say anything about this? What tripe.

Didn't say that. What I meant was that you don't have the perspective of having lived there for an understanding of how business gets done there.

Who wants San Francisco to be another cookie-cutter city anyway? I sure don't. You guys find the oddest things to get your panties in a wad over.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1629 times:

On the other hand, Candlestick Point is not the best place to display such a ship. As anyone been to the neighborhood surrounding the area? Go visit the ship and get robbed or worse. There parts in that area the police won't go into, now it they put the ship closer to downtown then it would be a benefit, but not at Candlestick Point. Maybe this is a smokescreen by the Board of Supervisiors so they don't have to explain the crime problem.

User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

My god it's back! These people are obviously going from city to city trying to find someone to give them a pile of money. Last year they tried to put the Iowa in Milwaukee. People were excited at first, until they found out that they wanted to moor the ship right on the lakefront and turn one of the best city parks into parking lot. Unlike some great lakes cities (cough, Cleveland) we did not encase our lakefront in concrete and have no intention to do it now.

The deal was also for 100% public financing, The city would pay to go get the ship, make it seaworthy for the journey, refurbish it once it's here, and pay for the infrastructure improvements (the aforementioned concrete) The Iowa is a rusting hulk, a shadow of what it used to be. Just to bring it up to EPA code would have cost more than $20mil.

To add insult to injury this would also have taken money away from the current Veterans memorial which occupies a prominent spot further down the shore, and is falling apart. This turned local veterans groups against the project.

The deal was shady, and the people behind it were even shadier. Public opinion ran 10-1 against the Iowa and the mayor rightly told them to take a hike. If this is the same deal that they are pitching to San Fran the people there are right in doing the same.



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User currently offlineJ.mo From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Maybe they should moor it at the former NAS Alameda. I spent 3 years there on the Arkansas and the backdrop of San Francisco is stunning.

Jeremy



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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

The shame of San Francisco is that it has a longer history as a linchpin of the nations defense than it has as a bastion of gay and liberal ideology.

But the ship ought to go were it is wanted, and I understand it will go to Long Beach.

The thing for those of you in Maryland and Charleston to understand is that they are NOT going to place three battleships on the East Coast.

The New Jersey is here in NJ, the Wisconsin is in Norfolk, Missouri in Hawaii. Two on the east coast two on the west. The problem is placing two museum ships too close together. One of the reasons North Jersey lost out to South Jersey for placement of the BB-62 was becasue it was feared in New York that the New Jersey would siphon off visitors from the Intrepid.

Patriots Point in Charleston would have worked for one of the ships, joining a fleet of museum ships rather than competing against them. However, New Jersey is where she belongs, and Wisconsin is still maintained by the Navy in the reserve fleet, which is why you can only walk the main deck and it can't leave Norfolk.

California is the best place for Iowa. San Fransisco Bay may have not been the greatest place for her anyway. It is much better for the ships to be in warm water, preferably fresh water, maintainence is easier deterioration is slowed.


User currently offlineJ_Hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Don't forget that in Fall River MA is "Battleship Cove" where the 'Massachusetts' has been for decades!
See http://www.battleshipcove.org/

Those 16 inch guns were very impressive! Shooting a projectile that weighs as much as a small car around 15+ miles as I recall vaguely..



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User currently offlineRoger136913 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 22):
The thing for those of you in Maryland and Charleston to understand is that they are NOT going to place three battleships on the East Coast.

The New Jersey is here in NJ, the Wisconsin is in Norfolk, Missouri in Hawaii. Two on the east coast two on the west. The problem is placing two museum ships too close together. One of the reasons North Jersey lost out to South Jersey for placement of the BB-62 was becasue it was feared in New York that the New Jersey would siphon off visitors from the Intrepid.

Well there is the U.S.S. Massachusetts in Fall River Ma. I say bring the Iowa here!

http://www.battleshipcove.org/


25 UALPHLCS : Ah well. I should have been more clear. The Massachusetts is not an Iowa class battleship. The U.S.S. North Carolina and the U.S.S. Texas are on the
26 Post contains images Tbar220 : Oh I see how it is, harass your neighbors for the way they voted. Attack them for voting "wrong" and make sure they know how stupid they are. Real de
27 Roger136913 : My bad, I should have known your meant Iowa class, sorry about that.
28 WrenchBender : Why not put it in Alameda with the Hornet ? I would rather spend a full day touring those 2 in a single location rather than having to cross the Bay.
29 SATX : So this is what gets Americans' blood boiling eh? How pathetic. A little manufactured controversy and America goes ape shit over a relic. Yeah, you're
30 Halls120 : Sorry Jeff, but you and DiFi are in the extreme minority. The SF Bay area is probably the most rabid hotbed of anti-militarism in the entire country.
31 ANCFlyer : Let me reiterate.
32 Zone1 : It's dissapointing about the whole Moffett Field thing. I remember hearing a couple of months ago that they were going to destroy that beautiful blim
33 IceTitan447 : Well said! once again, well said! Perhaps we should all be thankful?
34 DeltaGuy : I agree....create a large museum harbor, that way people will get to see a variety of warships from the battle groups, and also one seperate museum w
35 UAL777 : You both disgust me. Having the Iowa should be an honor. It is a living monument to the 250,000 someodd soldiers, sailers, and airmen who sacrificed
36 Post contains links and images JeffSFO : AFAIK, Bay Area politicians fought to keep those installations from closing. Why would they shut the door on cash cows such as those? Also, the annua
37 Halls120 : Yes, hypocrites like Barbara Boxer, who never passes up a chance to criticize the military, came out against the closing of the Presidio - the most u
38 Post contains links JeffSFO : You've got to remember though that those people are a significant, albeit vocal, minority. There are many, many more boats out on the Bay to watch th
39 Halls120 : Jeff - I'm sure there are many like you and your friend Melissa. Problem is, it's a pretty silent group - the political leadership and media of the B
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